Who uses Windows.old any more to revert to prev release


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Who these days bothers if they need to revert back to a previous version of Windows use Windows.old or do they just restore from a backup image. While the file these days is now quite small e,g around 8GB it's still a fair % of the total disk space if you allocate 50 GB for your Windows (I always keep OS and data separate). Surely Windows should use the "Execute on ist boot" after a new installation is successful to delete the file instead of users having to bother with doing it. I can understand Windows creating temporary storage files during update in case the process fails and nobody wants to be left with an inoperable system if it can be reasonablly avoided.

Perhaps also before an upgrade starts the process should start with a User warning - take backup before proceeding -- Yes or no.

It's a fairly trivial issue I know -- but I'm not doing anything today -- Planet wide Good Friday is usually an awful day for travelling at least in my experience - and over the years I've done a lot of it !!!.

Happy Easter Hols though.

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While the file these days is now quite small e,g around 8GB it's still a fair % of the total disk space if you allocate 50 GB for your Windows (I always keep OS and data separate)
My userprofile alone is 3 times that, abou 150GB. I need a 256-512GB system drive to keep it anywhere close to usable and performant without being almost filled and becoming slow and prone to disk IO errors.
 

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My userprofile alone is 3 times that, abou 150GB. I need a 256-512GB system drive to keep it anywhere close to usable and performant without being almost filled and becoming slow and prone to disk IO errors.

Again - depends on what you use Windows for, what you've got on it etc etc. I tend only to use Windows for Ms Office (EXCEL and Ms Project simply can't be beaten in spite of "Clones" being available -- they are getting better but "The real thing" particularly for those 2 programs is still streets ahead of the competition), Photoshop, some Work client related access to their DB servers (SAP for example) and odd internet things so running in general as a smallish VM suits me fine. On a decent laptop I run Arch Linux with 2 or 3 Windows VM's -- If I need a "Physical Windows" system I plug in one I've made physical VHDX files on an external SSD. That works fine for me too.

There's really no "Bog standard" Windows system - which is why I think on the whole Ms does a reasonable job of making it all work relatively painlessly for millions. I do wish though for its QC and testing methods to be better -- especially as the latest chaos between dev / beta etc shows they have if not got themselves into a muddle have certainly got a lot of us into one.

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Not me, in fact I delete the windows.old folder as soon as I’ve upgraded. I have a Macrium image of Windows anyway which is more reliable I’m sure.
 

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Who these days bothers if they need to revert back to a previous version of Windows use Windows.old or do they just restore from a backup image. While the file these days is now quite small e,g around 8GB it's still a fair % of the total disk space if you allocate 50 GB for your Windows (I always keep OS and data separate). Surely Windows should use the "Execute on ist boot" after a new installation is successful to delete the file instead of users having to bother with doing it. I can understand Windows creating temporary storage files during update in case the process fails and nobody wants to be left with an inoperable system if it can be reasonablly avoided.

Perhaps also before an upgrade starts the process should start with a User warning - take backup before proceeding -- Yes or no.

It's a fairly trivial issue I know -- but I'm not doing anything today -- Planet wide Good Friday is usually an awful day for travelling at least in my experience - and over the years I've done a lot of it !!!.

Happy Easter Hols though.

Cheers
jimbo
@Jimbo,

I think you are forgetting the people who are regulars here are quite informed, and use tools like image backups. Out there, in Jo(e) Public land, I think vast majority have never heard of image backups (or indeed normal data backups).

Users do not have to manually delete windows.old. You get 10 days grace period, and then it is automatically deleted.

Method is not perfect, but works.

I am sort of in favour of MS asking you to backup but that would get tiresome for experienced users. The Windows.old does backup key user data on C drive, so in effect they are doing it automatically.
 

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Not me, in fact I delete the windows.old folder as soon as I’ve upgraded. I have a Macrium image of Windows anyway which is more reliable I’m sure.
Same as you, its toast soon as possible
 

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While the file these days is now quite small e,g around 8GB it's still a fair % of the total disk space if you allocate 50 GB for your Windows (I always keep OS and data separate).
Yours maybe... Mines about 20GB

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Windows.old goes when I run Disk Cleanup after each new build install. I'd rather rely on Macrium.
 

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Windows.old goes when I run Disk Cleanup after each new build install. I'd rather rely on Macrium.
I do exactly the same, but that is us preaching to the converted - the public at large will not be so enlightened.

On this basis, I do not see a strong motivation for MS to change the basic philosophy of windows.old.
 

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My Windows.old is 17.9 GB. If I don't forget I usually delete it just before making a new image. The only time I use it is on the rare occasions that Windows does a rollback.
File Explorer and System > Storage > Cleanup recommendations are showing different file sizes. File Explorer shows it being 17.9 GB and Cleanup recommendations shows it as only being 10.5 GB.
 

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My Windows.old is 47GB
 

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Keep in mind that some of that data is a bunch of junctions. For those parts the actual data is the same as is already in use on your system. Actual Windows.old usage may be as low as 10GB even though file explorer tells otherwise.
 

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I did once, and it worked very well, I always change the number of rollback days with DISM and always have a Macrium image as well
 

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Not me, in fact I delete the windows.old folder as soon as I’ve upgraded. I have a Macrium image of Windows anyway which is more reliable I’m sure.

Ditto. Have never used it, only backups.
 

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As soon as I know all is well I delete it
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware Area 51m R2
    CPU
    10th Gen Core i9 10900K
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Geforce RTX 2080 Super
    Sound Card
    Nvidia HD
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    C: Samsung 2TB P981A
    D: Samsung 2TB 970 Evo
    Case
    Dark side of the moon
    Mouse
    Alienware AW610M
    Browser
    Chrome and Firefox
    Antivirus
    Norton
    Other Info
    Killer E3000 Ethernet Controller
    Killer AX1650i Wi-Fi Network Adaptor
    Alienware Z01G Graphic Amplifier
    Tobii Eye Tracker
  • Operating System
    Dual Boot Windows 11 Pro / Windows 11 Pro Dev build
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Inspiron 3501
    CPU
    11th Gen i-7 2.80 gb
    Memory
    16Gb
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    512Gb SSD
    WD 2GB EXT
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Norton

dbartenstein

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OS
Win 11 Pro (Insider Beta channel)

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win 11 Pro (Insider Beta channel)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer AN515-54
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-9300H CPU @ 2.40GHz 2.40 GHz
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Nvidia GeForce GTX 1650, Intel UHD 630
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer CB272D
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    256GB and 1T SSD
    Keyboard
    Logitech K375S
    Mouse
    Logitech M510
    Internet Speed
    250MB
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Malwarebytes
  • Operating System
    Win 11 Pro (Insider Dev Channel)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell E6430
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3540M CPU @ 3.00GHz 3.00 GHz (non-compliant)
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel HD Graphics 4000, NVIDIA NVS 5200M
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Antivirus
    Malwarebytes

Ed Tittel

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OS
Windows 11
I'm in the "bye-bye Windows.old" camp: I always precede any upgrade with a Macrium image backup, so I can use the Rescue Media + latest image to put things back if anything goes wrong. I also make a "clean image" right after a successful upgrade to give myself a new starting point for future recovery activities should something get weird, or should I should myself (or rather, my system) in the foot. Happens sometimes, so I've learned to be prepared. HTH,
=Ed=
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo X380 Yoga
    CPU
    i7-8650U (8th Gen/Kaby Lake)
    Motherboard
    20LH000MUS (U3E1)
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel UHD Graphics 620
    Sound Card
    Integrated Conexant SmartAudio HD
    Monitor(s) Displays
    FlexView Display
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba 1 TB PCIe x3 NVMe SSD
    external 5TB Seagate USB-C attached HDD
    PSU
    Lenovo integrated 65W power brick
    Case
    Laptop
    Cooling
    Laptop
    Keyboard
    Integrated Lenovo ThinkPad keyboard
    Mouse
    touchscreen, touchpad
    Internet Speed
    GbE (Spectrum/Charter)
    Browser
    all of em
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    Purchased early 2019 as Windows Insider test PC

Dch48

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Location
Upstate NY
OS
Windows 11 Home
I do an AOMEI system image before a version upgrade. The Windows.old folder gets removed very soon after the upgrade is done.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom built
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 5 5600X
    Motherboard
    MSI B550-A Pro
    Memory
    16 GB DDR4-3200
    Graphics Card(s)
    PowerColor Red Devil Radeon RX 6600XT with 8GB GDDR6
    Sound Card
    Realtek integrated
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer Nitro 24" RG241Y 144hz refresh rate
    Screen Resolution
    1920 X 1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 860 QVO 1 TB SATA SSD
    Seagate Barracuda 1 TB HDD
    PSU
    LEPA B650 650 watt
    Case
    Enermax Coenus
    Cooling
    Cooler Master Hyper T4 air
    Keyboard
    CM Storm Devastator
    Mouse
    E-Blue Cobra Jr.
    Internet Speed
    100mbs
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge Chromium
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Defender
    Other Info
    Optical Drives: LG DVD-RW and Pioneer BluRay/ DVD burner
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus ROG Zephyrus G14
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 9 6900HS
    Motherboard
    Asus board (GA402RK)
    Memory
    16 GB DDR5-4800
    Graphics card(s)
    Integrated Radeon 680M and discrete Radeon RX 6800S with 8GB GDDR6
    Sound Card
    Integrated Realtek with Dolby Atmos
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Laptop screen 14" WQXGA, IPS, 120hz refresh rate
    Screen Resolution
    2560 X 1600
    Hard Drives
    1TB PCIe Gen 4 SSD (Micron)
    PSU
    Battery power and Asus power brick/adapter. Also has USB-C charging
    Case
    Laptop
    Cooling
    Laptop fans in vapor chamber
    Mouse
    Touchpad and Omoton bluetooth mouse
    Keyboard
    Built in backlit
    Internet Speed
    100mbps
    Browser
    Edge Chromium
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Defender
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