Windows 11 available on October 5


Today, we are thrilled to announce Windows 11 will start to become available on October 5, 2021. On this day, the free upgrade to Windows 11 will begin rolling out to eligible Windows 10 PCs and PCs that come pre-loaded with Windows 11 will start to become available for purchase. A new Windows experience, Windows 11 is designed to bring you closer to what you love.

As the PC continues to play a more central role in our lives than ever before — Windows 11 is ready to empower your productivity and inspire your creativity.

Here are 11 highlights of this release


1. The new design and sounds are modern, fresh, clean and beautiful, bringing you a sense of calm and ease.

2. With Start, we’ve put you and your content at the center. Start utilizes the power of the cloud and Microsoft 365 to show you your recent files no matter what device you were viewing them on.

3. Snap Layouts, Snap Groups and Desktops provide an even more powerful way to multitask and optimize your screen real estate.

4. Chat from Microsoft Teams integrated into the taskbar provides a faster way to connect to the people you care about.

5. Widgets, a new personalized feed powered by AI, provides a faster way to access the information you care about, and with Microsoft Edge’s world class performance, speed and productivity features you can get more done on the web.

6. Windows 11 delivers the best Windows ever for gaming and unlocks the full potential of your system’s hardware with technology like DirectX12 Ultimate, DirectStorage and Auto HDR. With Xbox Game Pass for PC or Ultimate you get access to over 100 high-quality PC games to play on Windows 11 for one low monthly price. (Xbox Game Pass sold separately.)


7. Windows 11 comes with a new Microsoft Store rebuilt with an all-new design making it easier to search and discover your favorite apps, games, shows, and movies in one trusted location. We look forward to continuing our journey to bring Android apps to Windows 11 and the Microsoft Store through our collaboration with Amazon and Intel; this will start with a preview for Windows Insiders over the coming months.

8. Windows 11 is the most inclusively designed version of Windows with new accessibility improvements that were built for and by people with disabilities.

9. Windows 11 unlocks new opportunities for developers and creators. We are opening the Store to allow more developers and independent software vendors (ISVs) to bring their apps to the Store, improving native and web app development with new developer tools, and making it easier for you to refresh the look and feel across all our app designs and experiences.

10. Windows 11 is optimized for speed, efficiency and improved experiences with touch, digital pen and voice input.

11. Windows 11 is the operating system for hybrid work, delivering new experiences that work how you work, are secure by design, and easy and familiar for IT to deploy and manage. Businesses can also test Windows 11 in preview today in Azure Virtual Desktop, or at general availability by experiencing Windows 11 in the new Windows 365.

Thank you to the Windows Insider Community


The Windows Insider community has been an invaluable community in helping us get to where we are today. Since the first Insider Preview Build was released in June, the engagement and feedback has been unprecedented. The team has also enjoyed sharing more behind the scenes stories on the development of Windows 11 in a new series we launched in June, Inside Windows 11. We sincerely appreciate the energy and enthusiasm from this community.

Rolling out the free upgrade to Windows 11 in a phased and measured approach


The free upgrade to Windows 11 starts on October 5 and will be phased and measured with a focus on quality. Following the tremendous learnings from Windows 10, we want to make sure we’re providing you with the best possible experience. That means new eligible devices will be offered the upgrade first. The upgrade will then roll out over time to in-market devices based on intelligence models that consider hardware eligibility, reliability metrics, age of device and other factors that impact the upgrade experience. We expect all eligible devices to be offered the free upgrade to Windows 11 by mid-2022. If you have a Windows 10 PC that’s eligible for the upgrade, Windows Update will let you know when it’s available. You can also check to see if Windows 11 is ready for your device by going to Settings > Windows Update and select Check for updates*.

Ready to elevate to 11? There’s never been a better time to purchase a new PC


October 5 is right around the corner — and there are a few things you can do to get ready for Windows 11. First, if you’re in need of a new PC now — don’t wait. You can get all the power and performance of a new Windows 10 PC and upgrade to Windows 11 for free after the rollout begins on October 5**.

We’ve worked closely with our OEM and retail partners to bring you powerful Windows 10 PCs today, that will take you into the future with Windows 11. Here are a few to check out.

Acer Swift 5


The Acer Swift 5 (SF514-55) ultrathin-and-light notebook marries an uber-stylish design with the latest performance technology. Powered by 11th Gen Intel Core i5 and Intel Core i7 processors and verified to meet the requirements of an Intel Evo platform, the Swift 5 has the power and performance to seamlessly run multiple applications and provides up to 17 hours of battery life for all-day productivity. The touchscreen display is covered with a layer of Antimicrobial Corning Gorilla Glass, and you have the option to further include an antimicrobial solution on the touchpad, keyboard and all covers of the device. Click the link above for more details on the Acer website.

Acer Swift X


The new Acer Swift X (SFX14-41G) notebook represents a new segment within the Swift portfolio, the first of its series to come powered with discrete graphics, all at 3.06 pounds. Up to a NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050 Ti Laptop GPU, combined with up to an AMD Ryzen 7 5800U Mobile Processor and 16 GB of RAM offers creative professionals such as video editors or photographers plenty of power. True to the Swift family, all this hardware has been fitted into a metal chassis 0.7 in thin. Click the link above for more details on the Acer website.

Zenbook Flip 13 OLED UX363


Asus Zenbook Flip 13 OLED UX363 has an all-new design that combines ultimate portability with supreme versatility. Its NanoEdge FHD OLED display and 360-degree ErgoLift hinge make extra compact, and the super-slim 13.9 mm chassis houses a wide range of I/O ports for easy connectivity. Its Intel Core processor gives effortless performance for on-the-go productivity and visual creativity.

Zenbook 14 UX425


Asus Zenbook 14 UX425 has an all-new design that’s just 13.9mm slim. It has a four-sided NanoEdge display with a 90% screen-to-body ratio for immersive visuals, and there’s a complete set of full I/O ports. The latest 11th Gen Intel Core i7 processor and all-new Intel Iris Xe graphics makes it a perfect portable companion.

Alienware x15


Each of Dell Alienware’s X-Series laptops include Alienware Cryo-tech cooling technology and this generation features a patent-pending Quad Fan design engineered to provide the highest levels of gaming performance. Both the Alienware x15 and Alienware x17 are made of premium materials, including magnesium alloy and CNC-machined aluminum designed for structural rigidity, and are finished with a carefully formulated stain-resistant paint formula. Built for marathon gaming sessions, these laptops feature HyperEfficient voltage regulation technology which is designed to allow the system to perform at the highest levels for hours of gameplay.

Dell XPS 13


The Dell XPS 13 is crafted using authentic premium materials, precision cut to achieve a flawless finish in a durable, lightweight design. Designed to create the perfect affinity between aesthetics and functional purpose, it delivers powerful performance and a larger 4-sided InfinityEdge display.

HP ENVY x360 15


If you’re looking for something extra special, the HP Spectre x360 14 features cutting edge 2-in-1 design and superb performance with the latest Intel Core processors along with all-day battery life. If you’re a creator looking for a device that is as flexible as your workflow, the HP ENVY x360 15 is a mobile creative powerhouse, featuring AMD Ryzen or Intel Core processors, and Wi-Fi 6 and Bluetooth 5 for fast connectivity. The Spectre x360 is available at Best Buy and HP.com; the ENVY x360 15 is available at select retailers including Best Buy, Costco, Walmart and HP.com.

2-in-1 Lenovo Yoga 7


Meet the versatile 2-in-1 Lenovo Yoga 7 convertible series, available in 14-inch sizes and designed with rounded edges to feel more comfortable in your hands. Immerse yourself in a vibrant Full HD IPS touchscreen display with your choice of either 11th Gen Intel Core or AMD Ryzen 5000 Series mobile processors plus integrated graphics. Available in Slate Grey hue, go anywhere with a 71WHr battery, a metal chassis that impresses from every angle and thoughtful details such as a webcam privacy shutter. Click the link above for more details on the Lenovo website.

Lenovo Yoga Slim 7i Pro


Master multitasking with the thin and light Lenovo Yoga Slim 7i Pro series, offering consumers a choice of an LCD or super-vibrant OLED display for greater immersion. Available in a 14-inch size and Light Silver hue, the laptop features either 11th Gen Intel Core or AMD Ryzen 5000 Series mobile processors – both models offer optional NVIDIA GeForce MX450 graphics to boost your content creation. Enjoy the convenience of Windows Hello and an IR camera with a raised notch for easier opening, plus a backlit keyboard. Click the link above for more details on the Lenovo website.

Samsung Galaxy Book Pro and Galaxy Book Pro 360


Samsung Galaxy Book Pro and Galaxy Book Pro 360 reshape the PC for mobile-first consumers by bringing together next-generation connectivity, ultra-portable design and elevated performance. Equipped with 11th Gen Intel Core processor, Intel Iris Xe graphics, and AMOLED display within super-thin and light body for increased mobility, the Galaxy Book Pro series let you maximize productivity, enjoy immersive entertainment and unleash creativity. With complete Samsung Galaxy ecosystem integration, the Galaxy Book Pro series is now the ultimate link between your devices, fully connecting your digital world. The Galaxy Book Pro and Galaxy Book Pro 360 are available in 13-inch and 15-inch models with color options ranging from Mystic Navy, Mystic Silver and Mystic Bronze for Galaxy Book Pro 360 and Mystic Blue, Mystic Silver and Mystic Pink Gold for Galaxy Book Pro.

Surface Pro 7


Surface Pro 7 is ultra-light and versatile. Whether at your desk, on the couch, or in the yard, get more done your way with the best-selling Surface 2-in-1 that features a laptop-class Intel Core processor, all day battery life, HD cameras and a stunning 12.3-inch PixelSense touchscreen display. It transforms from tablet to laptop with pen and touch input, a built-in Kickstand, an optional removable Type Cover, and it easily connects to multiple monitors. Click the link above to learn more about Surface Pro 7.

Surface Laptop 4


Surface Laptop 4 offers style and speed. Do it all with the perfect balance of sleek design, speed, immersive audio and significantly longer battery life than before. Stand out on HD video calls backed by Studio Mics. Capture ideas and use your favorite Microsoft 365 applications on the vibrant PixelSense touchscreen display in 13.5-inch or 15-inch models. Choose between 11th Gen Intel Core processors or AMD Ryzen Mobile Processors with Radeon Graphics Microsoft Surface Edition. Click the link above to learn more about Surface Laptop 4, including available color finishes and material options.

We’ll be relaunching the PC Health Check app soon, so you can check to see if your current PC will be eligible to upgrade. In the meantime, you can learn more about Windows 11 minimum system requirements here.

If you’re preparing for the upgrade and you’re not already using OneDrive, check it out. It’s a simple way to help keep your files secure and make it easier to transition through the upgrade or to a new device.

For organizations that are managed by IT, today we announced new capabilities coming in Microsoft Endpoint Manager to help you to assess your readiness for Windows 11 and hybrid work at scale. You can learn more in the Microsoft Endpoint Manager Tech Community blog.

For customers who are using a PC that won’t upgrade, and who aren’t ready to transition to a new device, Windows 10 is the right choice. We will support Windows 10 through October 14, 2025 and we recently announced that the next feature update to Windows 10 is coming later this year. Whatever you decide, we are committed to supporting you and offering choice in your computing journey.

The first version of a new era of Windows


As Panos shared in June, Windows is more than an operating system; it’s where we connect with people, it’s where we learn, work and play. We can’t wait to see what Windows 11 empowers you to do and create.

*Note, certain features require specific hardware; see our Windows 11 specifications page for more information.

**The Windows 11 upgrade will start to be delivered to qualifying devices beginning on October 5, 2021 into 2022. Timing varies by device.


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@Rickstar Sorry if I came across as being rude. I understand your frustration and I know you're not alone.
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Hi there
@BunnyJ

I'll bet no C++ or Windows GUI developer could produce this in as few lines of code : Program a coloured spiral !! in python. (With Black background screen instead of default white).

Screenshot_20211004_150132.png

Python is brilliant -- Turtle graphics makes it a doddle too.
Should work as well on W11

To exit simply hit ctrl-D from the command box.

Want different colors / sizes / background -- just change the appropriate lines. Really easy !!! Who apart from Geeks and OS designers need to use things like C++ any more -- especially for "Non developers" but simply "application guys".

I'm more than happy to leave the real techie stuff to the developers -- if they can't get their stuff right - there's nothing I can do anyway -- so I might just as well design what I need to do and hope that the OS basics can do what it has to do -- not my problem of course if it doesn't. !!!

Have fun

Cheers
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I can never understand why it isn't one of the first languages taught to students.
Because Python is very diffrent from many of the other C-style languages. It is good to learn for specific applications, but if you're gonna learn programming for real you're much better off with C/C++ or if you want managed languages then Java or C#.

Python is great for machine learning and yes for many other applications too, but it can only take you so far...

I call Python a "Glue together"-language, because that is essentially what you're doing with it when you want readable code and performance at the same time. Python as is, is extremely slow.
 

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I'll bet no C++ or Windows GUI developer could produce this in as few lines of code : Program a coloured spiral !! in python.
I bet no Python programmer can make that spiral dynamically resize, rotate, skew, flip and change colors as fast as a C/C++ programmer could. :wink:
 

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Because Python is very diffrent from many of the other C-style languages. It is good to learn for specific applications, but if you're gonna learn programming for real you're much better off with C/C++ or if you want managed languages then Java or C#.

Python is great for machine learning and yes for many other applications too, but it can only take you so far...

I call Python a "Glue together"-language, because that is essentially what you're doing with it when you want readable code and performance at the same time. Python as is, is extremely slow.
I agree that learning C++ or C is important but one must also learn a solid base language and I think Python is just that. A solid base language that gets one going.
 

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A solid base language that gets one going.
Solid yes, but it depends on where you wanna go next. Python is no good for certain things, it is actually a hindrance of you're into hardware and software architecture. It does not teach you anything how the 2 play together, while a low level language like C forces you to learn how your computer works.

Python is great for playing with numbers, but C is great for learning how the numbers are used and produced.

We also have to keep in mind that C is the language used to keep the Python orchestra playing.

If I had to choose, I'd learn C# as first language. It's good for anything from Console applications, to web, GUI, DB and even games dev.
 

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Solid yes, but it depends on where you wanna go next. Python is no good for certain things, it is actually a hindrance of you're into hardware and software architecture. It does not teach you anything how the 2 play together, while a low level language like C forces you to learn how your computer works.

Python is great for playing with numbers, but C is great for learning how the numbers are used and produced.

We also have to keep in mind that C is the language used to keep the Python orchestra playing.

If I had to choose, I'd learn C# as first language. It's good for anything from Console applications, to web, GUI, DB and even games dev.
It gets you started and that's what matters. I would hate to start a student with C++. The syntax is messy and the student will spend more time on that then the main thing they should be learning.. logic, algorithms etc. I know from experience that in colleges students learn multiple language but they usually start off with easy ones and move on to more complex ones.

C# is too proprietary for my liking.. but that's me.
 

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    Lenovo (WiFi/BT module upgraded to Intel Wireless-AC-9260)
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    iGPU Vega 10
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    14" FHD (built-in) + 14" Lenovo Thinkvision M14t (touch+pen) + 32" Asus PB328
    Screen Resolution
    FHD + FHD + 1440p
    Hard Drives
    Intel 660p m.2 nVME PCIe3.0 x2 512GB
    PSU
    65W
    Keyboard
    Thinkpad / Logitech MX Keys
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 2S
    Internet Speed
    600/300Mbit
    Browser
    Edge (Chromium)
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
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    SecureBoot: Enabled
    TPM2.0: Enabled
    AMD-V: Enabled
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 build 10.0.22631.5189(Release Preview Channel)
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    i7-7700k @4.8GHz
    Motherboard
    Asus PRIME Z270-A
    Memory
    32GB 2x16GB 2133MHz CL15
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA GTX1080Ti FTW 11GB
    Sound Card
    Integrated
    Monitor(s) Displays
    32" 10-bit Asus PB328Q
    Screen Resolution
    WQHD 2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    512GB ADATA SX8000NP NVMe PCIe Gen 3 x4
    PSU
    850W
    Case
    Fractal Design Define 7
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 2S
    Keyboard
    Logitech MX Keys
    Internet Speed
    600/300Mbit
    Browser
    Edge (Cromium)
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    AC WiFi Card
I still like Python more.. the syntax is cleaner and it's easier to learn.
I think Python C, C++, Java and C# are all equally easy to learn. Python however has the biggest collections of libraries, to do the bulk of the work for you, available.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 build 10.0.22631.5189 (Release Channel) / Linux Mint 22.1 Cinnamon
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo A485
    CPU
    Ryzen 7 2700U Pro
    Motherboard
    Lenovo (WiFi/BT module upgraded to Intel Wireless-AC-9260)
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    iGPU Vega 10
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    14" FHD (built-in) + 14" Lenovo Thinkvision M14t (touch+pen) + 32" Asus PB328
    Screen Resolution
    FHD + FHD + 1440p
    Hard Drives
    Intel 660p m.2 nVME PCIe3.0 x2 512GB
    PSU
    65W
    Keyboard
    Thinkpad / Logitech MX Keys
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 2S
    Internet Speed
    600/300Mbit
    Browser
    Edge (Chromium)
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    SecureBoot: Enabled
    TPM2.0: Enabled
    AMD-V: Enabled
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 build 10.0.22631.5189(Release Preview Channel)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    i7-7700k @4.8GHz
    Motherboard
    Asus PRIME Z270-A
    Memory
    32GB 2x16GB 2133MHz CL15
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA GTX1080Ti FTW 11GB
    Sound Card
    Integrated
    Monitor(s) Displays
    32" 10-bit Asus PB328Q
    Screen Resolution
    WQHD 2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    512GB ADATA SX8000NP NVMe PCIe Gen 3 x4
    PSU
    850W
    Case
    Fractal Design Define 7
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 2S
    Keyboard
    Logitech MX Keys
    Internet Speed
    600/300Mbit
    Browser
    Edge (Cromium)
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    AC WiFi Card
I wouldn't say C is as easy to learn as Python... Maybe if you never have to to do low-level operations on pointers.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 Pro x64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    Intel i9-9900K (8-core, at least 4.5GHz on all cores)
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Strix Z390-F Gaming
    Memory
    4x 8GB (32GB) G.SKILL Trident Z DDR4-3600MHz CL16
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    MSI GeForce GTX 1070 GAMING X 8G
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    FiiO K3 USB DAC (highly recommended!)
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    DELL U2515H
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440 (25" - 60Hz)
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    NVMe: Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 1TB
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    PSU
    Corsair HX750
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    Fractal Design Define C
    Cooling
    Scythe FUMA 2 air-cooler (highly recommended!)
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Wired Keyboard 600
    Mouse
    Logitech G305 Lightspeed
I think Python C, C++, Java and C# are all equally easy to learn. Python however has the biggest collections of libraries, to do the bulk of the work for you, available.
For a first time programmer I still would rather teach them Python. I was a teachers assistant for several computer science classes and I would hate to deal with helping first time students learn C++
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Home(Beta) - 24H2 - 26120.4230
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Banana Junior 5600-G Series
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 5 5600G
    Motherboard
    Asus ROG Strix B550-F
    Memory
    G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 64GB 4x16
    Graphics Card(s)
    Nvidia geforce gtx titan x
    Monitor(s) Displays
    28" ASUS VP28U 4k
    Screen Resolution
    4K, 1080p
    Hard Drives
    Primary SAMSUNG 970 EVO Plus
    PSU
    EVGA BQ 700w 80+ Bronze
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    Zalman i3 NEO
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    ARCTIC Freezer 7 X
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    Corsair
    Mouse
    Amazon Generic with Cord
    Internet Speed
    Download: 295.11 mbps Upload: 65.35 mbps T-Mobile Internet
    Browser
    Firefox and Edge
    Antivirus
    MS - Defender
    Other Info
    Speakers: Klipsch ProMedia 2.1
low-level operations on pointers.
A pointer is just a number and we all know how to count numbers. Pointer arithmetic is very easy if you know how to do additions and subtractions. :wink:
I would hate to deal with helping first time students learn C++
That is the issue with C++ education. You don't even have to touch the STL in order to learn the language, except for a few just to make your life a bit easier. You could however avoid STL alltogether and hook into the OS API directly.
 

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System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 build 10.0.22631.5189 (Release Channel) / Linux Mint 22.1 Cinnamon
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo A485
    CPU
    Ryzen 7 2700U Pro
    Motherboard
    Lenovo (WiFi/BT module upgraded to Intel Wireless-AC-9260)
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    iGPU Vega 10
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    14" FHD (built-in) + 14" Lenovo Thinkvision M14t (touch+pen) + 32" Asus PB328
    Screen Resolution
    FHD + FHD + 1440p
    Hard Drives
    Intel 660p m.2 nVME PCIe3.0 x2 512GB
    PSU
    65W
    Keyboard
    Thinkpad / Logitech MX Keys
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 2S
    Internet Speed
    600/300Mbit
    Browser
    Edge (Chromium)
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    SecureBoot: Enabled
    TPM2.0: Enabled
    AMD-V: Enabled
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 build 10.0.22631.5189(Release Preview Channel)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    i7-7700k @4.8GHz
    Motherboard
    Asus PRIME Z270-A
    Memory
    32GB 2x16GB 2133MHz CL15
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA GTX1080Ti FTW 11GB
    Sound Card
    Integrated
    Monitor(s) Displays
    32" 10-bit Asus PB328Q
    Screen Resolution
    WQHD 2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    512GB ADATA SX8000NP NVMe PCIe Gen 3 x4
    PSU
    850W
    Case
    Fractal Design Define 7
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 2S
    Keyboard
    Logitech MX Keys
    Internet Speed
    600/300Mbit
    Browser
    Edge (Cromium)
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    AC WiFi Card
Anyways, we're way off topic...oups

On October 5th, install Windows 11, also install Visual Studio 2019/2022 with most C#/.NET workloads and start learning the language. You'll be creating amazing apps and tools for W11 in no time. :wink:
 

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    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 build 10.0.22631.5189 (Release Channel) / Linux Mint 22.1 Cinnamon
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    Laptop
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    Lenovo A485
    CPU
    Ryzen 7 2700U Pro
    Motherboard
    Lenovo (WiFi/BT module upgraded to Intel Wireless-AC-9260)
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    iGPU Vega 10
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    14" FHD (built-in) + 14" Lenovo Thinkvision M14t (touch+pen) + 32" Asus PB328
    Screen Resolution
    FHD + FHD + 1440p
    Hard Drives
    Intel 660p m.2 nVME PCIe3.0 x2 512GB
    PSU
    65W
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    Thinkpad / Logitech MX Keys
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 2S
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    600/300Mbit
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    SecureBoot: Enabled
    TPM2.0: Enabled
    AMD-V: Enabled
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    PC/Desktop
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    i7-7700k @4.8GHz
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    Asus PRIME Z270-A
    Memory
    32GB 2x16GB 2133MHz CL15
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA GTX1080Ti FTW 11GB
    Sound Card
    Integrated
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    32" 10-bit Asus PB328Q
    Screen Resolution
    WQHD 2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    512GB ADATA SX8000NP NVMe PCIe Gen 3 x4
    PSU
    850W
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    Fractal Design Define 7
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 2S
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    Logitech MX Keys
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    600/300Mbit
    Browser
    Edge (Cromium)
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    AC WiFi Card
A pointer is just a number and we all know how to count numbers. Pointer arithmetic is very easy if you know how to do additions and subtractions. :wink:
The concept is very simple, but that doesn't mean it's not alien and easy to understand for people not having touched low-level programming before.
But yes, let's stay on-topic. I just had to say this, because many people have struggled with learning that part of C.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 10 Pro x64
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    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    Intel i9-9900K (8-core, at least 4.5GHz on all cores)
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Strix Z390-F Gaming
    Memory
    4x 8GB (32GB) G.SKILL Trident Z DDR4-3600MHz CL16
    Graphics Card(s)
    MSI GeForce GTX 1070 GAMING X 8G
    Sound Card
    FiiO K3 USB DAC (highly recommended!)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    DELL U2515H
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440 (25" - 60Hz)
    Hard Drives
    NVMe: Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 1TB
    SATA: Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB
    PSU
    Corsair HX750
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    Fractal Design Define C
    Cooling
    Scythe FUMA 2 air-cooler (highly recommended!)
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Wired Keyboard 600
    Mouse
    Logitech G305 Lightspeed
One website recommends to scan for viruses and other 'critters' on your computer before updating to new Windows 11. Sometimes a failed install is the result of viruses.
 

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  • OS
    windows 10 & 11
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    Manufacturer/Model
    iBuyPower (special build)
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7X
    Motherboard
    Asus Prime x370 Pro
    Memory
    64Gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon RX 480 8Gb
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung UHD 27 inch
    Screen Resolution
    UHD
    Hard Drives
    3 Samsung 1 TB SSD each; 1 Samsung PCIe M.2 at 2 TB
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    IBuyPower
    CPU
    AMD 9 5900X
    Motherboard
    Asus x570 ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero WI-FI 6E ARGB
    Memory
    32 Gb
    Graphics card(s)
    Nvidia GeForce RTX 3080 Ti 12 GB GDDR6X
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    3D PREMIUM surround sound onboard
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    Samsung 32 inch UHD curved monitor
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    UHD
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    Samsung 980 pro 2 tb gen 4 NVMe ssd
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    850 watt consair RM850X
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    Lian Li LANCOOL ONE tempered glass RGB gaming case
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    DEEPCOOL GAMERSTORM RGB 240 mm CASTLE 240EX liquid cooler
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    Ares m.2 gaming optical mouse
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    Ares m.2 gaming keyboard
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    450
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    Firefox / Edge
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    Windows defender
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    With all this gaming rig I am not a gamer!
One website recommends to scan for viruses and other 'critters' on your computer before updating to new Windows 11. Sometimes a failed install is the result of viruses.
You should do all of the following

1) virus checks

2) Temporarily shut down onedrive, and disable it starting up

3) run "sfc /scannow"

4) run "chkdsk c: /f"

5) use disk cleanup.

6) make image backup of PC (especially valuable data)

7) have nice glass of red wine.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro + Win11 Canary VM.
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    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Zenbook 14
    CPU
    I9 13th gen i9-13900H 2.60 GHZ
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB soldered
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    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
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    laptop OLED screen
    Screen Resolution
    2880x1800 touchscreen
    Hard Drives
    1 TB NVME SSD (only weakness is only one slot)
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    Internal + 65W thunderbolt USB4 charger
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    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois (UK pint cans - 568 ml) - extra cost.
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    Built in UK keybd
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    Bluetooth , wireless dongled, wired
    Internet Speed
    900 mbs (ethernet), wifi 6 typical 350-450 mb/s both up and down
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    Edge
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    Defender
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    TPM 2.0, 2xUSB4 thunderbolt, 1xUsb3 (usb a), 1xUsb-c, hdmi out, 3.5 mm audio out/in combo, ASUS backlit trackpad (inc. switchable number pad)

    Macrium Reflect Home V8
    Office 365 Family (6 users each 1TB onedrive space)
    Hyper-V (a vm runs almost as fast as my older laptop)
Because Python is very diffrent from many of the other C-style languages. It is good to learn for specific applications, but if you're gonna learn programming for real you're much better off with C/C++ or if you want managed languages then Java or C#.

Python is great for machine learning and yes for many other applications too, but it can only take you so far...

I call Python a "Glue together"-language, because that is essentially what you're doing with it when you want readable code and performance at the same time. Python as is, is extremely slow.
That was my path.. I started with C++ then went to VB - got my MCSD in VB6 - then went to Java then settled with C# - did them all - Yep, I'm a programming slut ... LOL - Just dabbled in Delphi and Python..
 

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    Windows
That's was my path.. I started with C++ then went to VB - got my MSCD in VB6 - then went to Java then settled with C# - did them all - Yep, I'm a programming slut ... LOL - Just dabbled in Delphi and Python..
In the oil and gas major application world, people often use a little known program called FORTRAN - LOL.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro + Win11 Canary VM.
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Zenbook 14
    CPU
    I9 13th gen i9-13900H 2.60 GHZ
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB soldered
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop OLED screen
    Screen Resolution
    2880x1800 touchscreen
    Hard Drives
    1 TB NVME SSD (only weakness is only one slot)
    PSU
    Internal + 65W thunderbolt USB4 charger
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois (UK pint cans - 568 ml) - extra cost.
    Keyboard
    Built in UK keybd
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wireless dongled, wired
    Internet Speed
    900 mbs (ethernet), wifi 6 typical 350-450 mb/s both up and down
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0, 2xUSB4 thunderbolt, 1xUsb3 (usb a), 1xUsb-c, hdmi out, 3.5 mm audio out/in combo, ASUS backlit trackpad (inc. switchable number pad)

    Macrium Reflect Home V8
    Office 365 Family (6 users each 1TB onedrive space)
    Hyper-V (a vm runs almost as fast as my older laptop)

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