With problems in intel's 13 and 14th gen, is it wise to get them now?


Were you getting what looked like a RAM subsystem failure, such as "PAGE_FAULT_IN_NON_PAGED_AREA", "BAD_POOL_HEADER" and/or "MEMORY_MANAGEMENT" stop error codes?
No. It was a CPU with immediate damage. Probably caused by damaged LGA1700 pins. (I'm morally certain that I didn't do that, but was unable to prove it.)
 

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    Amd Threadripper 7970X
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    Gigabyte TRX50 Aero D
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    128GB (4 X 32) G.Skill DDR5 6400 (RDIMM)
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    Gigabyte RTX 4090 OC
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    none (USB to speakers), Realtek
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    Philips 27E1N8900 OLED
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    3840 X 2160 @ 60Hz
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    Crucial T700 2TB M.2 NVME SSD
    WD 4TB Blue SATA SSD
    Seagate 18TB IronWolf Pro
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    BeQuiet! Straight Power 12 1500W
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    Lian Li 011 Dynamic Evo XL
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    SilverStone Technology XE360-TR5, with 3 Phanteks T30 fans
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    Cherry Streaming (wired)
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    Logitech M500s (wired)
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    2000/300 Mbps (down/up)
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    64GB G.Skill DDR5-6000
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    Gigabyte RTX 3090 ti
    Sound Card
    built in Realtek
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    Asus PA329C
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    3840 X 2160 @60Hz
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    WDC SN850 1TB
    8TB Seagate Ironwolf
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    eVGA SuperNOVA 1300 GT
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    Lian Li 011 Dynamic Evo
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    Corsair iCUE H150i ELITE CAPELLIX Liquid CPU Cooler
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    Logitech M500s (wired)
    Keyboard
    Logitech K120 (wired)
I wonder how many believe that buying an Intel CPU is "to be on the safe side"? I've used both Intel and AMD CPUs over many years. I haven't had compatibility or reliability issues with either. I thought that the Athlon 64 X2 was the best choice back when Intel was struggling with their Pentium 4, nearly 20 years ago. The Core series put Intel back in the running. My current primary system is AMD mainly because I wished to try an HEDT (high end desktop) system, which Intel hasn't offered since Gen10. (Please don't counter with Xeon.)
I've moved back and forth between AMD and Intel. I don't see Intel as a "safer choice" whatsover. Of my last 4 builds, the oldest was a 6th generation Intel, my son has a Ryzen 3800x, I have a Ryzen 5900x and my wife has a Ryzen 5600x.

When I was building mine, i went with Ryzen as it supported PCI-e Gen 4, while Intel was still stuck on PCI-E Gen 3. Figured i would get more bang for the buck out of my I/O speeds than I would with an Intel and a slightly faster single clock speed advantage.

I too had an Athlon 64 X2, which completely wiped the floor with Intel at the time.

With respect to pricing, my local microcenter is $519 for a Core i9-14900k, and a Ryzen 9 7900X3D is $399. The Intel is almost a year newer, and it was 24 cores versus 12 cores...so I would expect it to beat out the Ryzen. They are relatively close, and benchmarks don't always equate to much real world performance difference.

To each their own, I've loved my Intel and AMD cpu's and I wouldn't hesitate choosing 1 or the other when it comes time to build another machine.
 

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    Windows 11 Pro
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    Beelink SEI8
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    Intel Core i5-8279u
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    AZW SEI
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    32GB DDR4 2666Mhz
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    Intel Iris Plus 655
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    Intel SST
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    Asus ProArt PA278QV
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    2560x1440
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    512GB NVMe
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    NA
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    NA
    Cooling
    NA
    Keyboard
    NA
    Mouse
    NA
    Internet Speed
    500/50
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    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    Mini PC used for testing Windows 11.
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
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    Ryzen 9 5900x
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    Asus Rog Strix X570-E Gaming
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    64GB DDR4-3600
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    EVGA GeForce 3080 FT3 Ultra
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    Onboard
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    ASUS TUF Gaming VG27AQ. ASUS ProArt Display PA278QV 27” WQHD
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    2560x1440
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    2TB WD SN850 PCI-E Gen 4 NVMe
    2TB Sandisk Ultra 2.5" SATA SSD
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    Seasonic Focus 850
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    Fractal Meshify S2 in White
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    Dark Rock Pro CPU cooler, 3 x 140mm case fans
    Mouse
    Logitech G9 Laser Mouse
    Keyboard
    Corsiar K65 RGB Lux
    Internet Speed
    500/50
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Defender.
No. It was a CPU with immediate damage. Probably caused by damaged LGA1700 pins. (I'm morally certain that I didn't do that, but was unable to prove it.)
those CPU pins are despicable and should never been designed so bad.. IMHO
 

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    Win11
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    Asus Home built
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    i9-13900
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    ASUS Strix Z790-H
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    64 GB
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    Nvidia RTX 5070 TI OC
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    Sony 55"
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    SSD
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    850 watt EVGA
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    Cooler Master Haf 932
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    CoolerMaster
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    RedDragon
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    CoolerMaster
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    300/300
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    Defender
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    VR, Virtual Reality
I thought that the Athlon 64 X2 was the best choice back when Intel was struggling with their Pentium 4, nearly 20 years ago.
A little over 18 years ago my Pentium 4 @3.4GHz on an Asus P5LD2 Deluxe rev. 1.02 w/ 2GB Corsair Value select and an Asus GeForce 7800 GTX TOP EDITION ran things like Cinema Craft Encoder on ultra high settings perfectly fine. I had 2 identical 320GB Maxtors in JBOD back then (one as the source, one as the destination). The ones that were struggling to keep up with this type of workload were those who had decided to go for the Athlon 64 X2. And then I am not even mentioning the fact that these CPUs from AMD had a bad tendency to give up the struggle and simply just die on you all of a sudden when you tried to OC them with your expensive custom loop watercooling setup that was so expensive in fact, you didn't even have enough savings left to go out and buy a replacement for your CPU after it died. The only real reason why you never saw many internet tears about this was just the shame to admit.
 
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    i7 13650HX
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    16GB DDR5
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    GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile
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    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
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    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
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    3840×2160
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    512GB SSD internal
    37TB external
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    Li-ion
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    2× Arc Flow Fans, 4× exhaust vents, 5× heatpipes
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    Logitech K800
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    Logitech G402
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    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
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    FF
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    11 Home
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    Medion S15450
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    i5 1135G7
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    16GB DDR4
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    Intel Iris Xe
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    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
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    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
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    3840×2160
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    2TB SSD internal
    37TB external
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    Li-ion
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    Logitech G402
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    Logitech K800
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    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
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    FF
I stand by my athon 64 x2's. Never had an issue with any of them. They were the choice for gamers back then. Intel finally turned a corner with the core i series chips.

I rarely overlooked and never ran custom waterloop setups. Heck, even today I've never used a liquid cooler.
 

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    Windows 11 Pro
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Beelink SEI8
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-8279u
    Motherboard
    AZW SEI
    Memory
    32GB DDR4 2666Mhz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Iris Plus 655
    Sound Card
    Intel SST
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus ProArt PA278QV
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    512GB NVMe
    PSU
    NA
    Case
    NA
    Cooling
    NA
    Keyboard
    NA
    Mouse
    NA
    Internet Speed
    500/50
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    Mini PC used for testing Windows 11.
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    Ryzen 9 5900x
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    Asus Rog Strix X570-E Gaming
    Memory
    64GB DDR4-3600
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA GeForce 3080 FT3 Ultra
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS TUF Gaming VG27AQ. ASUS ProArt Display PA278QV 27” WQHD
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    2TB WD SN850 PCI-E Gen 4 NVMe
    2TB Sandisk Ultra 2.5" SATA SSD
    PSU
    Seasonic Focus 850
    Case
    Fractal Meshify S2 in White
    Cooling
    Dark Rock Pro CPU cooler, 3 x 140mm case fans
    Mouse
    Logitech G9 Laser Mouse
    Keyboard
    Corsiar K65 RGB Lux
    Internet Speed
    500/50
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Defender.
Once I bought a motherboard with VIA Apollo 133 chipset to get faster IDE speed that Intel didn't have or that I had to pay too much for Intel. I regretted it within the first few days. I had frequent BSOD due to some incompatibility with the VIA chipset. I vowed never to do such "sacrilege" again. Only Intel, whatever that means about cost and features. Who cares about PCIe Gen 4? Do you have a graphics card that fast to take advantage of it? By the time you can afford such a card you would probably buy a newer Intel system that supports PCIe Gen 4. Don't make the same mistake.
 

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    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (build 22631.4249) test laptop, Windows 11 Pro v24H2 (build 26100.3915) main PC
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
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    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, no SSE4.2, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
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    PC/Desktop
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    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    Gainward NE5105T018G1-1070F (nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WD Blue SA510 2.5 1000GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
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    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Deepcool Gamma Archer CPU cooler, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
Once I bought a motherboard with VIA Apollo 133 chipset to get faster IDE speed that Intel didn't have or that I had to pay too much for Intel. I regretted it within the first few days. I had frequent BSOD due to some incompatibility with the VIA chipset. I vowed never to do such "sacrilege" again. Only Intel, whatever that means about cost and features. Who cares about PCIe Gen 4? Do you have a graphics card that fast to take advantage of it? By the time you can afford such a card you would probably buy a newer Intel system that supports PCIe Gen 4. Don't make the same mistake.
It's not appropriate to tar AMD with that brush, especially in 2024.

The VIA Apollo 133 chipset dates from 2000. (nVidia also made Intel chipsets back in the aughties. Also done as cheaper alternatives.)

I doubt that "Davidleven" will base the build on a MB that doesn't support PCI-E 4.0 for the graphics slot (for a $500-600 CPU). PCI-E 5.0 wouldn't be unusual.

Advocacy is OK, but this is going way off the rails.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 26100.3915
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    homebuilt
    CPU
    Amd Threadripper 7970X
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte TRX50 Aero D
    Memory
    128GB (4 X 32) G.Skill DDR5 6400 (RDIMM)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte RTX 4090 OC
    Sound Card
    none (USB to speakers), Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Philips 27E1N8900 OLED
    Screen Resolution
    3840 X 2160 @ 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Crucial T700 2TB M.2 NVME SSD
    WD 4TB Blue SATA SSD
    Seagate 18TB IronWolf Pro
    PSU
    BeQuiet! Straight Power 12 1500W
    Case
    Lian Li 011 Dynamic Evo XL
    Cooling
    SilverStone Technology XE360-TR5, with 3 Phanteks T30 fans
    Keyboard
    Cherry Streaming (wired)
    Mouse
    Logitech M500s (wired)
    Internet Speed
    2000/300 Mbps (down/up)
    Other Info
    Arris G36 modem/router
  • Operating System
    windows 11 26100.3915
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    homebuilt
    CPU
    Intel I9-13900K
    Motherboard
    Asus RoG Strix Z690-E
    Memory
    64GB G.Skill DDR5-6000
    Graphics card(s)
    Gigabyte RTX 3090 ti
    Sound Card
    built in Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus PA329C
    Screen Resolution
    3840 X 2160 @60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WDC SN850 1TB
    8TB Seagate Ironwolf
    4TB Seagate Ironwolf
    PSU
    eVGA SuperNOVA 1300 GT
    Case
    Lian Li 011 Dynamic Evo
    Cooling
    Corsair iCUE H150i ELITE CAPELLIX Liquid CPU Cooler
    Mouse
    Logitech M500s (wired)
    Keyboard
    Logitech K120 (wired)
I just said that once I tried something different lured by the "advanced features" and I regretted it. I didn't even have a hard disk that fast back then that would benefit from the faster controller, I tried to be "future proof". Don't make the same mistake. Don't invest on features you aren't going to use in the near future and miss compatibility. Also as already said AMD doesn't surpasses Intel speed in single-core processing speed, it only has more cores. More cores are not more important that faster processing. It's like comparing two cars, one with a medium engine and more horse power and the other with larger engine but less or equal horse power. Which is best? The one with the smaller engine of course that provides more power and has less taxation. Common sense.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (build 22631.4249) test laptop, Windows 11 Pro v24H2 (build 26100.3915) main PC
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, no SSE4.2, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v24H2 (build 26100.3915)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    Gainward NE5105T018G1-1070F (nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WD Blue SA510 2.5 1000GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Deepcool Gamma Archer CPU cooler, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
Once I bought a motherboard with VIA Apollo 133 chipset to get faster IDE speed that Intel didn't have or that I had to pay too much for Intel. I regretted it within the first few days. I had frequent BSOD due to some incompatibility with the VIA chipset. I vowed never to do such "sacrilege" again. Only Intel, whatever that means about cost and features. Who cares about PCIe Gen 4? Do you have a graphics card that fast to take advantage of it? By the time you can afford such a card you would probably buy a newer Intel system that supports PCIe Gen 4. Don't make the same mistake.
Even though I wasn't running on AMD, I also had major compatibility issues with an Abit HotRod 100 Pro (IDE-RAID controller card that uses a VIA 4in1) back in the day.
 

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    Laptop
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    Asus TUF Gaming F16 (2024)
    CPU
    i7 13650HX
    Memory
    16GB DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Cooling
    2× Arc Flow Fans, 4× exhaust vents, 5× heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
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    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
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    Laptop
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    Medion S15450
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    i5 1135G7
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
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    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    2TB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
I just said that once I tried something different lured by the "advanced features" and I regretted it. I didn't even have a hard disk that fast back then that would benefit from the faster controller, I tried to be "future proof". Don't make the same mistake. Don't invest on features you aren't going to use in the near future and miss compatibility. Also as already said AMD doesn't surpasses Intel speed in single-core processing speed, it only has more cores. More cores are not more important that faster processing. It's like comparing two cars, one with a medium engine and more horse power and the other with larger engine but less or equal horse power. Which is best? The one with the smaller engine of course that provides more power and has less taxation. Common sense.
Automotive metaphors aside, that may apply to the current Ryzen 7000 series as opposed to the Intel Gen14 CPUs. The differences aren't large, though. One measure: Cinebench R23.

I don't trust the 9950X values, as the CPU hasn't been released yet. Looks like the single-core edge of the I7-14700K over the Ryzen 7900X is very small.

Whether the single core advantage will still hold for Intel over the Ryzen 9000 series remains to be seen. Reviews may be out as soon as next week. I'd place a small bet that even if the new Ryzens benchmark better than the comparable Intel models, they won't be highly superior.

If I was building a system in August, I don't know what I'd buy. I've never been burned by either Intel or AMD. I've owned both. I might be annoyed enough by the current Intel G13/14 debacle to go AMD. (I admit that my I9-13900K has given me no trouble, so far. It may help that I'm not a gamer.)

(An aside: in the US, there are no special taxes on auto engines based on displacement. There are CAFE [corporate average fuel economy] rules, but that doesn't seem to limit the availability of V8 engines.)
 

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    Windows 11 26100.3915
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    homebuilt
    CPU
    Amd Threadripper 7970X
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte TRX50 Aero D
    Memory
    128GB (4 X 32) G.Skill DDR5 6400 (RDIMM)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte RTX 4090 OC
    Sound Card
    none (USB to speakers), Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Philips 27E1N8900 OLED
    Screen Resolution
    3840 X 2160 @ 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Crucial T700 2TB M.2 NVME SSD
    WD 4TB Blue SATA SSD
    Seagate 18TB IronWolf Pro
    PSU
    BeQuiet! Straight Power 12 1500W
    Case
    Lian Li 011 Dynamic Evo XL
    Cooling
    SilverStone Technology XE360-TR5, with 3 Phanteks T30 fans
    Keyboard
    Cherry Streaming (wired)
    Mouse
    Logitech M500s (wired)
    Internet Speed
    2000/300 Mbps (down/up)
    Other Info
    Arris G36 modem/router
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    homebuilt
    CPU
    Intel I9-13900K
    Motherboard
    Asus RoG Strix Z690-E
    Memory
    64GB G.Skill DDR5-6000
    Graphics card(s)
    Gigabyte RTX 3090 ti
    Sound Card
    built in Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus PA329C
    Screen Resolution
    3840 X 2160 @60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WDC SN850 1TB
    8TB Seagate Ironwolf
    4TB Seagate Ironwolf
    PSU
    eVGA SuperNOVA 1300 GT
    Case
    Lian Li 011 Dynamic Evo
    Cooling
    Corsair iCUE H150i ELITE CAPELLIX Liquid CPU Cooler
    Mouse
    Logitech M500s (wired)
    Keyboard
    Logitech K120 (wired)
When AMD makes CPUs that crack the substrate in half, you don't see people rioting in the street. Only when Intel has another small bump in the road, that's when you better take cover, and you better do it fast.
 

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  • OS
    11 Home
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    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus TUF Gaming F16 (2024)
    CPU
    i7 13650HX
    Memory
    16GB DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Cooling
    2× Arc Flow Fans, 4× exhaust vents, 5× heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
  • Operating System
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Medion S15450
    CPU
    i5 1135G7
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    2TB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
I would not buy anything from Intel right now. Their claim is that right now, the damage caused to processors is due to a processor microcode bug that the will h as ve a fix for by mid August. Motherboard manufacturers will need to get it and test it and release a new BIOS version. So realistically I would think not before the end of August. They could also release it via Microsoft ( MS can release a Windows update that loads the microcode at boot, overwriting the micode the BIOS loaded).

Personally I think there is more dirt here that will unfold. There are already reports that MS whistleblowers are indicating more issues leading to damaging the processor. I myself would wait a month or more.

One exception. iIntel has indicated this is only an issue with their their 65 watt or greater TDP processor models.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro x64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DIY Photoshop/Audio/Game/tinker build
    CPU
    Intel i9 13900KS P/E cores 5.8/4.4 GHz, cache 5.0 GHz
    Motherboard
    Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Dark Hero
    Memory
    96GB (2x48) G.skill Ripjaws 6800 MT/s
    Graphics Card(s)
    Asus ROG Strix 4070 Ti OC
    Sound Card
    Bowers & Wilkins 606 S3 speakers; Audiolabs 7000a integrated amp; Logan Martin Sub; Creative Pebble Pro Minimilist
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Eizo CG2730 ColorEdge, ViewSonic VP2768
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1440p x 2
    Hard Drives
    WDC SN850X 4TB nvme, SN850 1TB nvme, SK-Hynix 2 TB P41 nvme,. Sabrent USB-C DS-SC5B 5-bay docking station: 6TB WDC Black, 6TB Ironwolf Pro; 2x 2TB WDC Black HDD
    PSU
    850W Seasonic Vertex PX-850 ATX 3.0/PCI-E 5.0
    Case
    Fractal Design North XL Mesh, Black Walnut
    Cooling
    EKWB 360 Nucleus Dark AIO w/Phanteks T30-120 fans, 2 Noctua NF-A14 Chromax case fan, 1 T30-120 fan cooling memory
    Keyboard
    Keychron Q3 Max TKL with custom GMK Redsuns Red Samuri keycaps, TX Stabs
    Mouse
    Logitech G305 wireless gaming
    Internet Speed
    500 Mb/s down, 12 Mb/s up
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender, Macrium Reflect X ;-)
    Other Info
    Runs hot. LOL. SP: P116/E93/M93
    Phangkey Amaterasu V2 Desk Mat
  • Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Apple 13" Macbook Pro 2020 (m1)
    CPU
    Apple M1
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1600
    Browser
    Firefox
At least Intel was honest to admit there is an issue and trying to fix it, unlike AMD that would not admit overheating of their CPUs back then. If an Intel would overheat it would reduce its speed temporarily to avoid damage and keep working unharmed. If an AMD would overheat it would freeze the entire computer and probably suffer damage. I know some will argue that Pentium 4s also had high working temperatures, such as 70-80 degrees Centigrade back then, yes, they did, but this never had an impact on productivity or the CPUs lifetime.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (build 22631.4249) test laptop, Windows 11 Pro v24H2 (build 26100.3915) main PC
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, no SSE4.2, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v24H2 (build 26100.3915)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    Gainward NE5105T018G1-1070F (nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WD Blue SA510 2.5 1000GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Deepcool Gamma Archer CPU cooler, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
Once I bought a motherboard with VIA Apollo 133 chipset to get faster IDE speed that Intel didn't have or that I had to pay too much for Intel. I regretted it within the first few days. I had frequent BSOD due to some incompatibility with the VIA chipset. I vowed never to do such "sacrilege" again.
We can all get a bad product, or something not compatible with something else that we own or use. Could have been just a bad driver by the manufacturer. Happens all the time, to both Radeon and Nvidia cards. Neither manufacturer is impervious to problems.
Only Intel, whatever that means about cost and features. Who cares about PCIe Gen 4? Do you have a graphics card that fast to take advantage of it? By the time you can afford such a card you would probably buy a newer Intel system that supports PCIe Gen 4. Don't make the same mistake.
Perhaps you don't understand completely what you are talking about.

I cared about PCIe Gen 4, because I bought a PCIe Gen 4 NVMe drive that 100% took advantage of the PCIe Gen 4 standard. Instead of the typical 3,500MB/2,700MB/sec transfer speeds I would have gotten in a PCIe Gen 3 mobo, i got 7,000/5,100MB/sec with my 2TB WD SN850. My options were to 1). save money and buy a slower drive. 2). spend the money on the faster drive and just wait for Intel to support it. 3). Buy an AMD with the X570 chipset and take advantage of my drive speeds immediately.

I went with choice 3, and have zero regrets. This machine will be 4 years old in December. It's a Ryzen 5900x, has 64GB of low latency RAM, an EVGA 3080 FTW3 Ultra, and still rocking the 2TB SN850 drive (which has since been eclipsed by faster PCIe Gen 5 NVMe's....but I'm not ready to upgrade yet). It's been my daily use Windows 10 Gaming PC, Hyper-V virtual machine test platform for everything and everything and it has performed flawlessly for me.

I am in no way against an Intel chip and not trying to convince anybody that AMD is better........but I am here to say unequivocally that an AMD CPU is not a third rate piece of crap product that everybody should avoid because it's nothing but trouble. I am speaking from direct experience. I have 3 of them running in my household.

  • Son's Ryzen 3800x, with 32GB of RAM, and an EVGA 2080 Super is 5 years old, still on original OS install from day we built it.
  • My 5900x described above, 4 years old in December of 2024, still on original OS install from day we built it.
  • Wifes Ryzen 5600X, with 16GB of RAM, and an EVGA 3060, 3.5 years old and till on original OS install from day we built it.

 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Beelink SEI8
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-8279u
    Motherboard
    AZW SEI
    Memory
    32GB DDR4 2666Mhz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Iris Plus 655
    Sound Card
    Intel SST
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus ProArt PA278QV
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    512GB NVMe
    PSU
    NA
    Case
    NA
    Cooling
    NA
    Keyboard
    NA
    Mouse
    NA
    Internet Speed
    500/50
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    Mini PC used for testing Windows 11.
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    Ryzen 9 5900x
    Motherboard
    Asus Rog Strix X570-E Gaming
    Memory
    64GB DDR4-3600
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA GeForce 3080 FT3 Ultra
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS TUF Gaming VG27AQ. ASUS ProArt Display PA278QV 27” WQHD
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    2TB WD SN850 PCI-E Gen 4 NVMe
    2TB Sandisk Ultra 2.5" SATA SSD
    PSU
    Seasonic Focus 850
    Case
    Fractal Meshify S2 in White
    Cooling
    Dark Rock Pro CPU cooler, 3 x 140mm case fans
    Mouse
    Logitech G9 Laser Mouse
    Keyboard
    Corsiar K65 RGB Lux
    Internet Speed
    500/50
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Defender.
If I was building a system in August, I don't know what I'd buy. I've never been burned by either Intel or AMD. I've owned both. I might be annoyed enough by the current Intel G13/14 debacle to go AMD. (I admit that my I9-13900K has given me no trouble, so far. It may help that I'm not a gamer.)
I'm in the same boat, I have no idea what I would buy either. And I've never had a significant problem with either one of them. Historically i've used Intel more than AMD, but I've built at least 10 systems with AMD processors and was never disappointed.

I certainly understand having brand loyalty and such. I have historically stayed with just a few brands in any particular category. Mobos for me always Asus or Gigabyte, RAM almost always G.Skill, video cards always EVGA (makes me sad they are gone), power supplies always Seasonic, but have also used Corsair, NVMe's usually WD, Samsung, CPU no preference.....just buy what I want at the time.

I'm not personally bothered by the G13/14 intel debacle because I don't own any. My newest Intel chip runs in my Beelink Mini PC, which is a Core i5-8279u, so 8th gen.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Beelink SEI8
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-8279u
    Motherboard
    AZW SEI
    Memory
    32GB DDR4 2666Mhz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Iris Plus 655
    Sound Card
    Intel SST
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus ProArt PA278QV
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    512GB NVMe
    PSU
    NA
    Case
    NA
    Cooling
    NA
    Keyboard
    NA
    Mouse
    NA
    Internet Speed
    500/50
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    Mini PC used for testing Windows 11.
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    Ryzen 9 5900x
    Motherboard
    Asus Rog Strix X570-E Gaming
    Memory
    64GB DDR4-3600
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA GeForce 3080 FT3 Ultra
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS TUF Gaming VG27AQ. ASUS ProArt Display PA278QV 27” WQHD
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    2TB WD SN850 PCI-E Gen 4 NVMe
    2TB Sandisk Ultra 2.5" SATA SSD
    PSU
    Seasonic Focus 850
    Case
    Fractal Meshify S2 in White
    Cooling
    Dark Rock Pro CPU cooler, 3 x 140mm case fans
    Mouse
    Logitech G9 Laser Mouse
    Keyboard
    Corsiar K65 RGB Lux
    Internet Speed
    500/50
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Defender.
I tried to be "future proof".
I never shoot for that. It's a fools errand.
Also as already said AMD doesn't surpasses Intel speed in single-core processing speed, it only has more cores. More cores are not more important that faster processing.
Well the newer high end Intel chips actually have more total cores anyway. So you still get the benefit in the current generation of faster single core and more cores with Intel today.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Beelink SEI8
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-8279u
    Motherboard
    AZW SEI
    Memory
    32GB DDR4 2666Mhz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Iris Plus 655
    Sound Card
    Intel SST
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus ProArt PA278QV
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    512GB NVMe
    PSU
    NA
    Case
    NA
    Cooling
    NA
    Keyboard
    NA
    Mouse
    NA
    Internet Speed
    500/50
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    Mini PC used for testing Windows 11.
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    Ryzen 9 5900x
    Motherboard
    Asus Rog Strix X570-E Gaming
    Memory
    64GB DDR4-3600
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA GeForce 3080 FT3 Ultra
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS TUF Gaming VG27AQ. ASUS ProArt Display PA278QV 27” WQHD
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    2TB WD SN850 PCI-E Gen 4 NVMe
    2TB Sandisk Ultra 2.5" SATA SSD
    PSU
    Seasonic Focus 850
    Case
    Fractal Meshify S2 in White
    Cooling
    Dark Rock Pro CPU cooler, 3 x 140mm case fans
    Mouse
    Logitech G9 Laser Mouse
    Keyboard
    Corsiar K65 RGB Lux
    Internet Speed
    500/50
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Defender.
I never shoot for that. It's a fools errand.

Well the newer high end Intel chips actually have more total cores anyway. So you still get the benefit in the current generation of faster single core and more cores with Intel today.
One more reason to go for Intel. Just avoid the specific CPUs that still have issues. There are many other choices.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (build 22631.4249) test laptop, Windows 11 Pro v24H2 (build 26100.3915) main PC
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, no SSE4.2, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v24H2 (build 26100.3915)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    Gainward NE5105T018G1-1070F (nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WD Blue SA510 2.5 1000GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Deepcool Gamma Archer CPU cooler, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
One more reason to go for Intel. Just avoid the specific CPUs that still have issues. There are many other choices.
No Gen14 desktop GPUs with a TDP of 65W or more? That pretty much blocks out the high end.

This is getting beyond ridiculous.

If you must buy Intel, and the current situation makes you nervous, I suggest waiting 6 months. I trust that Intel won't repeat the same problems in their next generation. I vaguely recall that they're moving away from ever-increasing core counts, as well.
 
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My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 26100.3915
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    homebuilt
    CPU
    Amd Threadripper 7970X
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte TRX50 Aero D
    Memory
    128GB (4 X 32) G.Skill DDR5 6400 (RDIMM)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte RTX 4090 OC
    Sound Card
    none (USB to speakers), Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Philips 27E1N8900 OLED
    Screen Resolution
    3840 X 2160 @ 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Crucial T700 2TB M.2 NVME SSD
    WD 4TB Blue SATA SSD
    Seagate 18TB IronWolf Pro
    PSU
    BeQuiet! Straight Power 12 1500W
    Case
    Lian Li 011 Dynamic Evo XL
    Cooling
    SilverStone Technology XE360-TR5, with 3 Phanteks T30 fans
    Keyboard
    Cherry Streaming (wired)
    Mouse
    Logitech M500s (wired)
    Internet Speed
    2000/300 Mbps (down/up)
    Other Info
    Arris G36 modem/router
  • Operating System
    windows 11 26100.3915
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    homebuilt
    CPU
    Intel I9-13900K
    Motherboard
    Asus RoG Strix Z690-E
    Memory
    64GB G.Skill DDR5-6000
    Graphics card(s)
    Gigabyte RTX 3090 ti
    Sound Card
    built in Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus PA329C
    Screen Resolution
    3840 X 2160 @60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WDC SN850 1TB
    8TB Seagate Ironwolf
    4TB Seagate Ironwolf
    PSU
    eVGA SuperNOVA 1300 GT
    Case
    Lian Li 011 Dynamic Evo
    Cooling
    Corsair iCUE H150i ELITE CAPELLIX Liquid CPU Cooler
    Mouse
    Logitech M500s (wired)
    Keyboard
    Logitech K120 (wired)
It's like comparing two cars, one with a medium engine and more horse power and the other with larger engine but less or equal horse power.
If that medium sized engine is using a turbo charger to get the extra horse power they can keep it.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 24H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec B746
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-10700K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4/ax
    Memory
    16GB (8GB PC4-19200 DDR4 SDRAM x2)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 TI
    Sound Card
    Realtek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    #1. LG ULTRAWIDE 34" #2. AOC Q32G2WG3 32"
    Screen Resolution
    #1. 3440 X 1440 #2. 1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    NVMe WDC WDS100T2B0C-00PXH0 1TB
    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB
    PSU
    750 Watts (62.5A)
    Case
    PowerSpec/Lian Li ATX 205
    Keyboard
    Logitech K270
    Mouse
    Logitech M185
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge and Firefox
    Antivirus
    ESET Internet Security
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec G156
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-8400 CPU @ 2.80GHz
    Motherboard
    AsusTeK Prime B360M-S
    Memory
    16 MB DDR 4-2666
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23" Speptre HDMI 75Hz
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 EVO 500GB NVMe
    Mouse
    Logitek M185
    Keyboard
    Logitek K270
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge and Edge Canary
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
One more reason to go for Intel. Just avoid the specific CPUs that still have issues. There are many other choices.
I built my computer in Dec of 2020, when I chose that Ryzen 5900x. In December of 2020, the Intel platform was still on the 10th generation. The 11th generation Intel CPU's didn't come out until end of March of 2021.

Back then, the high end enthusiasts were either using the Core i7-10700, or the Core i9-10900K. Prices were about the same between them (but we all remember during Covid that all of these chips were basically impossible to find at the time and prices were higher because of scalpergate). But either way, we will go on the MSRP's which were just about the same.

The Ryzen 5900 worked on the existing Socket AM4 platfom (as did the 3000 series and upcoming 7000 series), Intel required a new mobo for the 10900k (LGA1200). The Ryzen 5900x has a lower TDP of 105 watts, compared to Intel's 125W of the 10900k. The top intel chipset then was the Z490, which didn't support PCIe Gen 4 for anybody with a Gen 4 NVMe drive. On the AMD side, PCIe Gen 4 was supported on the B450, B550, and X570 Platform. From a gaming perspective, both chips were just about neck and neck, with some games going Intel and some going AMD. In other arenas like video editing, the muticore performance of the Ryzen 5900x outperformed the 10900k by a pretty solid margin.

Here are some typical benchmarks one would expect to see.

Here is the Cinebench score from R20 back then, where higher is better.
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Here is the blender benchmark where lower is better.
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Handbrake conversions where lower is better.
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Adobe Premier renders where lower is better.
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7-Zip compression and decompression tests where higher is better.
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Geekbench where higher is better
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So, I'm failing to see that in December of 2020, where I made any type of substantial mistake by settling for a crappier product. Considering prices were about the same, almost all multicore performance wins going to Ryzen, lower power consumption and heat, and ability to run my NVMe at Gen 4 speeds......the Ryzen 5900x was a great choice for me.


Oh yeah, forgot that on www.tenforums.com we had a cinebench leaderboard posted for quite a while. Check me out with my 5900x in position 14 and I see all of the core i9-10900k's below me (with exception of Doorules with his 10900XE in the 11th slot w which was a $1,000+ version) And remember, those higher 13th and 14th gen Intel's didn't exist when I posted my score. And no, mine isn't overclocked at all, it's running on an Air cooler, with a 3080 that is slightly undervolted with a frequency cap to reduce power consumption.

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My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Beelink SEI8
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-8279u
    Motherboard
    AZW SEI
    Memory
    32GB DDR4 2666Mhz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Iris Plus 655
    Sound Card
    Intel SST
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus ProArt PA278QV
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    512GB NVMe
    PSU
    NA
    Case
    NA
    Cooling
    NA
    Keyboard
    NA
    Mouse
    NA
    Internet Speed
    500/50
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    Mini PC used for testing Windows 11.
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    Ryzen 9 5900x
    Motherboard
    Asus Rog Strix X570-E Gaming
    Memory
    64GB DDR4-3600
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA GeForce 3080 FT3 Ultra
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS TUF Gaming VG27AQ. ASUS ProArt Display PA278QV 27” WQHD
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    2TB WD SN850 PCI-E Gen 4 NVMe
    2TB Sandisk Ultra 2.5" SATA SSD
    PSU
    Seasonic Focus 850
    Case
    Fractal Meshify S2 in White
    Cooling
    Dark Rock Pro CPU cooler, 3 x 140mm case fans
    Mouse
    Logitech G9 Laser Mouse
    Keyboard
    Corsiar K65 RGB Lux
    Internet Speed
    500/50
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Defender.
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