X870E MoBo has only two Audio Jacks for Surround Sound


Maybe you could try wrapping the whole cable connection up in a sleeve made of electrical shielding tape to fend off electromagnetic interference (EMI). Even gold plated, 3.5mm TRS mini jacks still aren't the best choice for analog high end audio connections so probably, I would leave out mini jacks and go with the full fat "version" of the DIY route instead.

Also, onboard audio interfaces aren't galvanically isolated from the other components of a motherboard. Even with the best voltage regulators and well-engineered electrical noise filtering techniques, electrical noise patterns still creep in through the power signal that feeds the onboard audio interface. The digital path entering the DAC chip is still electrical so, it too carries unwanted electrical noise patterns into the onboard audio interface's more sensitive, analog intestines. Not all outboard DACs are necessarily always better than onboard audio, though, as the common observation that all onboard audio interfaces aren't created equal also applies to outboard DACs, prepros, and AVRs.

That said, looking at SNR and THD+N alone is like judging marriage by looking at a wedding picture or studying a river by taking out a bucket of water and then staring at it on the shore. Audio is part science, part subjectiveness. Whatever you do, don't waste your time with blind, or double-blind listening tests (DBTs) like ABX tests, for example. When we perform the task of listening specifically for differences during a DBT, we don't just eliminate hearing bias. Rather, we replace it with different types of hearing bias. I will try to explain a few things about what this means.

When we partake in a test, we aren't consciously aware of all the human stress factors caused by performing the test, but these factors still nevertheless introduce listening bias to some non-negligible extent. The fact that humans under stress can't tell the difference between quite surprising things has been proven many times over.

To make matters only worse, our brain tends to fill in gaps. Simply rememebering that a certain consonant belongs somewhere in a certain spoken sentence causes us to hear that consonant even after it was removed from the sample with audio editing software, for example, and, these traits are inherent of how human hearing factually works. It's very easy to prove. As a result, we can switch to a better playback system that reveals subtle details previously masked by distortions from the inferior system, then when we go back to the inferior system, we potentially can always hear these details (or partially) despite that they are masked. Because we have memory, switching back and forth skews the test results towards "hearing no difference".

Further, different characteristics of sound arrive on different time scales. Some sounds are heard immediately whereas when we enter a concert hall it can take up to ~15 minutes before we start listening fully into the space. Put simply, our brain externalizes sounds as sound objects against a background, and builds a map of this soundscape over a relatively longer period of time. When we do rapid switching, that natural process breaks, which limits the usefulness of ABX comparison tests if the test samples are being kept fairly short. Like maybe only a few seconds, which tends to be a common recommendation of sample duration for doing ABX comparison tests by self-professed objectivists who choose to stay ignorant of every important nuance or almost, fighting bias by adding more bias or... the blind misleading the blind.

Finally, setting up and conducting a proper, valid, DBT is very challenging, and takes a lot of resources. Test subjects who can be admitted to such listening experiments have to be professionally trained and meticulously selected. Otherwise the test results usually turn out inconclusive, and, a lot of people seem unaware that DBTs can only be used to prove that differences can be heard (not to prove that differences are inaudible to humans nor even to support the claim, that it is unlikely that differences are audible to humans).


 
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Marcus, that's good advice, but... I've already done that. There is not one single 870 MoBo out there that allows you to use the high-end audio that is onboard. What is the point of including 32-bit/384kHz, and 120dB SNR, gold-plated jacks, etc, when the additional jacks required for even 5.1 surround sound (which standard on a DVD - how old is that technology?) and discrete 7.1 SS (standard for Blu-ray disks) can only be supplied by front jacks that reduce top-end performance to mediocre sound quality.

The cheapest Blu-Ray player out there can do 7.1 surround sound, but a $1,000 MoBo can't due to the cost of 2 jacks?

Tom
Maybe the real issue is the lack of space on the rear connector for 2 more jacks. Dunno. Just speculating here.
 

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Fair enough, I've got to say I think all this Realtek stuff in modern motherboards has overrated sound quality despite ASUS and others hyping it up. Doesn't compare well to even relatively inexpensive external good quality DAC's connected by USB to a PC. At least that was my experience when I stopped using onboard audio.
I've only had the stated specs for comparison. What are you using as an alternative to onboard audio, and how are you connecting to your computer?

Btw, I have *finally* received all of the components for my son's new computer and have it just about ready to install the Operating System. While connecting the Front Audio Panel to the Asus Crosshair X870E Hero MB, I immediately discovered... ASUS has removed the Front Audio Header completely, and filled the holes with solder.
 

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I've only had the stated specs for comparison. What are you using as an alternative to onboard audio, and how are you connecting to your computer?

Btw, I have *finally* received all of the components for my son's new computer and have it just about ready to install the Operating System. While connecting the Front Audio Panel to the Asus Crosshair X870E Hero MB, I immediately discovered... ASUS has removed the Front Audio Header completely, and filled the holes with solder.
Hi,

I use the PC listed below for audio. I have the onboard sound on my ASUS z790 disabled in the bios. I'm currently using the following audio stack.
I have a DAC connected to the computer via a USB cable. The DAC is also connected (outputs) to a headphone amplifier and a Yamaha AVR.
 

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I've only had the stated specs for comparison. What are you using as an alternative to onboard audio, and how are you connecting to your computer?

Btw, I have *finally* received all of the components for my son's new computer and have it just about ready to install the Operating System. While connecting the Front Audio Panel to the Asus Crosshair X870E Hero MB, I immediately discovered... ASUS has removed the Front Audio Header completely, and filled the holes with solder.
Interesting. The downloadable manual for the Asus Crosshair X870E Hero still lists a front panel audio header.
 

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Hi,

I use the PC listed below for audio. I have the onboard sound on my ASUS z790 disabled in the bios. I'm currently using the following audio stack.
I have a DAC connected to the computer via a USB cable. The DAC is also connected (outputs) to a headphone amplifier and a Yamaha AVR.
What are you using for a DAC?
 

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Interesting. The downloadable manual for the Asus Crosshair X870E Hero still lists a front panel audio header.
Yes, it does. I have the most recent manual, myself. Using the Front Panel Audio is also the *only* method depicted in the manual for SS 5.1 and 7.1. There's no mention of using the HDMI connector.
 

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