15,000MBps Gen 5 Nvme, slow boot time?


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So I'm on a Gigabyte Z890 Master, 285K, 48GB RAM @ 8000. And the OP NvMe as system disk.

Fairly nippy PC.

And yet Windows 11 is bizarrely slow to shut down, restart and boot.

I don't know what I should be expecting but from the spinning Windows 11 logo beginning on the black boot screen it's maybe 15-20 seconds before I see the desktop?

I feel with my hardware it should be faster.

Is Windows 11 really just this slow to restart, shutdown and boot?

Thanks!
 
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Perhaps the buggy Windows 11 25H2 is indeed bad in terms of boot time, but the older Windows 11 21H2, without a lot of bugs, is fast.
The boot time should be a maximum of 6 seconds; if it takes longer, then something is wrong.
To turn off and restart, then a maximum of 3 seconds.



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Test it and then let us know if the boot time improved in this version
 
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I don't think the problem is due to W11 25H2, my restarts, shutdowns and boots are very fast, shutdowns are blazing fast boot time from button switching to W11 logon screen 14/15 seconds except after updates.
 

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Hi,

You can see in Task manager which app took the most time to load. It may be a third-party app that slowed down Windows when restarting or booting from shutdown.
 

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Danny_G13 said:
So I'm on a Gigabyte Z890 Master, 285K, 48GB RAM @ 8000. And the OP NvMe as system disk.

Fairly nippy PC.

And yet Windows 11 is bizarrely slow to shut down, restart and boot.

I don't know what I should be expecting but from the spinning Windows 11 logo beginning on the black boot screen it's maybe 15-20 seconds before I see the desktop?

I feel with my hardware it should be faster.

Is Windows 11 really just this slow to restart, shutdown and boot?

Thanks!
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Mine takes 18 seconds to boot using a Gen 5 SSD.
 

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werty said:
Hi,

You can see in Task manager which app took the most time to load. It may be a third-party app that slowed down Windows when restarting or booting from shutdown.
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Where in task manager is that? I know about startup apps of course, but where does it show you those measurements?
 

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maur0 said:
Perhaps the buggy Windows 11 25H2 is indeed bad in terms of boot time, but the older Windows 11 21H2, without a lot of bugs, is fast.
The boot time should be a maximum of 6 seconds; if it takes longer, then something is wrong.
To turn off and restart, then a maximum of 3 seconds.



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if you test this version
www.mediafire.com

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Test it and then let us know if the boot time improved in this version
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Appreciate the reply but a clean install is always going to be faster is it not? This Windows 11 I'm on was installed a while ago and it's been well maintained, but I switched motherboard (Z790 to Z890) and since then the boot speed has just felt slow - mainly since the new Windows 11 build I think?
 

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There is nothing wrong with your PC.

In Task Manager > Startup Apps, you can show additional columns by Right Clicking column titles and tick the ones you want to show.

Quotations of SSD speeds are specially devised with Manufacturers and benchmarkers to give daft numbers which is far from the realistic situation.
 

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In this video, we delve into the common issue of slow boot times in Windows and how to effectively troubleshoot it using Process Monitor.
 

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Danny_G13 said:
Where in task manager is that? I know about startup apps of course, but where does it show you those measurements?
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In Startup apps section it shows the startup impact but only as low/medium/high and the BIOS time. But this can also serve to identify the apps that take longer to load. You can try to disable them and restart the pc to see if there's actual impact on the bootup process.
 

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Danny_G13 said:
Appreciate the reply but a clean install is always going to be faster is it not? This Windows 11 I'm on was installed a while ago and it's been well maintained, but I switched motherboard (Z790 to Z890) and since then the boot speed has just felt slow - mainly since the new Windows 11 build I think?
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So you're using an old OS install that started on different model motherboard? That is probably your core issue right there. The OS could be trying to load drivers for hardware that no longer exists on your system. I realize some folks do this, but it is a bad practice.
 

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HeavyHemi said:
So you're using an old OS install that started on different model motherboard? That is probably your core issue right there. The OS could be trying to load drivers for hardware that no longer exists on your system. I realize some folks do this, but it is a bad practice.
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Fair comment but I'd removed all old drivers using Driver Store Explorer and everything from hidden devices. There's few to no bloated unneeded drivers in there.
 

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Fair comment but I'd removed all old drivers using Driver Store Explorer and everything from hidden devices. There's few to no bloated unneeded drivers in there.
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In real world usage loading a lot of small files, as during an OS boot, a NVME is only about twice as fast as a SSD.
 

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HeavyHemi said:
In real world usage loading a lot of small files, as during an OS boot, a NVME is only about twice as fast as a SSD.
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I actually test this before. I set my NVMe speede to 1x instead of 5x, the boot time was less than a second different
 

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HeavyHemi said:
In real world usage loading a lot of small files, as during an OS boot, a NVME is only about twice as fast as a SSD.
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An "NVMe" is also a SSD. NVMe refers to an access protocol.
 

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An "NVMe" is also a SSD. NVMe refers to an access protocol.
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Indeed. Perhaps I should have been more formal. The point is the same that a PCIE Gen 5 NVME SSD is only about twice as fast as a GEN III SATA SSD drive QD1 random read performance, right? 🤷‍♂️
 

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HeavyHemi said:
Indeed. Perhaps I should have been more formal. The point is the same that a PCIE Gen 5 NVME SSD is only about twice as fast as a GEN III SATA SSD drive QD1 random read performance, right? 🤷‍♂️
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Maybe some sort of incompatibility between the SSD and the MOBO. For example, the SSD may be working in 5x2 mode (2 lanes).
 

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NVME random reads at QD1 depth are only about twice as fast as random reads at QD1 depth on a gen III SATA SSD. If you're arguing that it is some compatibility/configuration issue, then, cite some formal evidence. Thanks.
 

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Danny_G13 said:
Appreciate the reply but a clean install is always going to be faster is it not? This Windows 11 I'm on was installed a while ago and it's been well maintained, but I switched motherboard (Z790 to Z890) and since then the boot speed has just felt slow - mainly since the new Windows 11 build I think?
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You should write this information in the first line of your post, I would never do what you have done, and I'm sure is what the majority of the member in this forum thinks.
 

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