Act now: Secure Boot certificates expire in June 2026


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 Windows IT Pro Blog:

Prepare for the first global large-scale certificate update to Secure Boot.

The Microsoft certificates used in Secure Boot are the basis of trust for operating system security, and all will be expiring beginning June 2026. The way to automatically get timely updates to new certificates for supported Windows systems is to let Microsoft manage your Windows updates, which include Secure Boot. A close collaboration with original equipment manufacturers (OEMs) who provide Secure Boot firmware updates is also essential.

If you haven't yet, begin evaluating options and start preparing for the rollout of updated certificates across your organization in the coming months. Learn about this effort, its impact, and what you as an IT admin should do to help ensure that your Windows devices can receive updates after June 2026 without compromising system security.

Important: While platforms beyond Windows are affected, this article focuses on the solution for Windows systems. Be sure to monitor the Secure Boot certificate rollout landing page for status and guidance updates.

Recap: Why Secure Boot requires updating​

Secure Boot helps to prevent malware from running early in the startup sequence of a Windows device. Coupled with the Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) firmware signing process, Secure Boot uses cryptographic keys, known as certificate authorities (CAs), to validate that firmware modules come from a trusted source.

After 15 years, the Secure Boot certificates that are part of Windows systems will start expiring in June 2026. Windows devices will need new certificates to maintain continuity and protection.
  • Affected: Physical and virtual machines (VMs) on supported versions of Windows 10, Windows 11, Windows Server 2025, Windows Server 2022, Windows Server 2019, Windows Server 2016, Windows Server 2012, Windows Server 2012 R2—the systems released since 2012, including the long-term servicing channel (LTSC)
  • Not affected: Copilot+ PCs released in 2025
Note: Affected third-party OS includes MacOS. However, it's outside the scope of Microsoft support. For Linux systems dual booting with Windows, Windows will update the certificates that Linux relies on.

Secure Boot uses certificate-based trust hierarchy to ensure that only authorized software runs during system startup. At the top of this hierarchy is the Platform Key (PK), typically managed by the OEM or a delegate, which acts as the root of trust. The PK authorizes updates to the Key Enrollment Key (KEK) database, which in turn authorizes updates to two critical signature databases: the Allowed Signature Database (DB) and the Forbidden Signature Database (DBX). This layered structure ensures that only validated updates can modify the system's boot policy, maintaining a secure boot environment. See how it works in Updating Secure Boot keys.

The change: Expiring certificates​

Windows systems released since 2012 might have expiring versions of the certificates listed below. The UEFI Secure Boot DB and KEK need to be updated with the corresponding new certificate versions.

See what new certificates will be available in the coming months to maintain UEFI Secure Boot continuity.

Expiration dateExpiring certificateUpdated certificateWhat it doesStoring location
June 2026Microsoft Corporation KEK CA 2011Microsoft Corporation KEK 2K CA 2023Signs updates to DB and DBXKEK
June 2026Microsoft Corporation UEFI CA 2011 (or third-party UEFI CA)*a) Microsoft Corporation UEFI CA 2023
b) Microsoft Option ROM UEFI CA 2023
a) Signs third-party OS and hardware driver components
b) Signs third-party option ROMs
DB
Oct 2026Microsoft Windows Production PCA 2011Windows UEFI CA 2023Signs the Windows bootloader and boot componentsDB
*You need two new certificates for Microsoft Corporation UEFI CA 2011, which together allow for more granular control.

Microsoft and partner OEMs will be rolling out certificates to add trust for the new DB and KEK certificates in the coming months.

The impact and implications​

The CAs ensure the integrity of the device startup sequence. When these CAs expire, the systems will stop receiving security fixes for the Windows Boot Manager and the Secure Boot components. Compromised security at startup threatens the overall security of affected Windows devices, especially due to bootkit malware. Bootkit malware can be difficult or impossible to detect with standard antivirus software. For example, even today, the unsecured boot path can be used as a cyberattack vector by the BlackLotus UEFI bootkit (CVE-2023-24932).

Every Windows system with Secure Boot enabled includes the same three certificates in support of third-party hardware and Windows ecosystem. Unless prepared, physical devices and VMs will:
  • Lose the ability to install Secure Boot security updates after June 2026.
  • Not trust third-party software signed with new certificates after June 2026.
  • Not receive security fixes for Windows Boot Manager by October 2026.
To prevent this, you'll need to update your organization's entire Windows ecosystem with certificates dated 2023 or newer. This will also help you apply mitigations needed to help secure your systems against the BlackLotus and similar boot-level cyberattacks today.

Take action today​

To begin, bookmark the Secure Boot certificate rollout landing page and take our readiness survey!

Important: Check with your OEMs on the latest available OEM firmware. Apply any available firmware updates to your Windows systems before applying the new certificates. In the Secure Boot flow, firmware updates from OEMs are the foundation for Windows Secure Boot updates to apply correctly.

Microsoft support is only available for supported client versions of Windows 11 and Windows 10. Once Windows 10 reaches end of support in October 2025, consider getting Extended Security Updates (ESU) for Windows 10, version 22H2 if you're not ready to upgrade.

In the coming months, we expect to update the Secure Boot certificates as part of our latest cumulative update cycle.

The solution that requires the least effort is letting Microsoft manage your Windows device updates, including Secure Boot updates. However, you might need to adopt multiple solutions. Your specific next step depends on the Windows systems and how you manage them.

Enterprise IT-managed systems that send diagnostic data​

No action is required if Windows systems at your organization receive Windows updates from Microsoft and send diagnostic data back to Microsoft. This includes devices that receive updates through Windows Autopatch, Microsoft Configuration Manager, or third-party solutions.

Note: Check that your firewall doesn't block diagnostic data. If it does, please take action to help diagnostic data reach Microsoft.

Windows diagnostic data and OEM feedback will help us group devices with similar hardware and firmware profiles to gradually release Secure Boot updates to you. This allows us to intelligently monitor the rollout process, proactively pausing, addressing any issues, and continuing as needed. Just keep your devices updated with the latest Windows updates!

Enterprise IT-managed systems that don't send diagnostic data​

Enable Windows diagnostic data and let Microsoft manage your updates by taking the following steps:
  1. Configure your organizational policies to allow at least the “required” level of diagnostic data. You can use Group Policy or mobile device management (MDM) to do this. See how to do this in Group Policy Management Editor for Windows 11 and Windows 10.
  2. Allow Microsoft to manage Secure Boot-related updates for your devices by setting the following registry key:
  • o Registry path: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Secureboot
  • o Key name: MicrosoftUpdateManagedOptIn
  • o Type: DWORD
  • o DWORD value: 0x5944 (opt in to Windows Secure Boot updates)
We recommend setting this key to 0x5944. It indicates that all certificates should be updated in a manner that preserves the security profile of the existing device. It also updates the boot manager to the one signed by the Windows UEFI CA 2023 certificate. Note: If the DWORD value is 0 or the key doesn't exist, Windows diagnostic data is disabled.

If you prefer not to enable diagnostic data, please take this anonymous readiness survey. Help us assess the needs of environments like yours to create future guidance on managing the update process independently. You'll remain fully in control and responsible to execute and monitor these updates.

Air-gapped devices, such as in government scenarios or manufacturing, are a special case. Because Microsoft cannot manage these updates, we can only offer the following limited support:
  • Recommend known steps or methods for deploying these updates
  • Share data gathered from our rollout stream
When available, look for these resources on the Secure Boot certificate rollout landing page.

Systems with Secure Boot disabled​

Windows cannot update the active variables of the Secure Boot certificates if Secure Boot is disabled.

Important: Toggling Secure Boot on or off might erase the updated certificates. If Secure Boot is on, leave it enabled. Turning it off can reset the settings with defaults, which is not desirable.

Share these recommendations with individual users:
  1. Press Windows key + R, type msinfo32, and then press Enter.
  2. In the System Information window, look for Secure Boot State.
  3. If it says On, you're good to go!
If Secure Boot is off or unsupported, the device may not receive the new CAs. For these devices, you may choose to enable Secure Boot with this guidance: Windows 11 and Secure Boot.


Change management considerations​

Don't wait until June 2026! Updating DB and KEK with new 2023 certificates will help prevent your systems from boot-level security vulnerabilities today.

Get the latest OEM firmware updates and let Microsoft manage your Windows updates to receive Secure Boot updates automatically. Otherwise, help us understand your special case by completing this anonymous readiness survey.

Watch the release notes for Windows 11, version 24H2, version 23H2, and Windows 10 in the coming months to know when these updates are available to you. Stay tuned for additional guidance for the LTSC as needed.

Bookmark these additional resources:


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Thats what i had to do recently--clear the keys, to reinstall my Windows 11 24H2, as idiot me wanted to fix my Windows store 3 apps always updating issue i had for a long time lol, so i was like i know i'll restore my old Image, not remembering i already did the revoke LOL

And that was with Macrium Reflect X Boot Menu option lol that i restored my last clean install from July 7th lol at the time lol. Turned into simple restore max 10-15 minutes to all day fixing up system lol


Then had secure boot violation screen

then i was like crap

Why i re enabled the more secure boot revocations not really sure lol, i guess i'm type that likes to have everything patched as tightly as i can lol

Prays i won't need a clean install for a long time lol, and maybe by then they'll have proper boot loaders in the Retail isos lol, if not if i ever need to, guess clear the keys and pray it works right i suppose

Maybe when my next UEFI bios update goes final, I'll clear the Keys then, or i might not, not sure yet lol. as for my AMD B650 Board going to have whenever it's out of beta A.G.E.S.A 1.2.0.3f with security migration fix, and support for newer Ryzen 9000 processor. (mine is Ryzen 7 7700X)
 

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If you're using Macrium or another backup recovery tool, be aware of two issues:

1. When you revoke CA 2011, then your Macrium recovery media needs to have CA 2023 boot files applied to it. Otherwise it's not allowed to boot.

2. Your backup itself needs to have the same boot files applied. When the only backup you have is from a year or months before you made the switch, and haven't saved a new backup RIGHT AFTER the revocation, then you're going to be in trouble.

Again, you can temporarily disable Secure Boot and still boot up. But you will have to repeat the instructions to re-apply CA 2023 boot files. Only then can you re-enable Secure Boot.

While Macrium didn't create the original mess, they have a responsibility (at least to their paid customers) to document this situation and provide very detailed recovery procedures. It's not like they're unaware of what's going on, and the timeline of upcoming changes.
 

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Yes I now know and have the boot media working with replaced boot loader for Reflect X now

Image was newly created right after clean install and revocation re applied

Think I should be good now I hope
 

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i just disable secure boot trash and zero issues
 

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I think all you would need to do is clear the secure boot keys then you could install with secure boot on.

Well, if you clear the Secure Boot keys, then you put the system in Setup Mode, in which case you effectively disabled Secure Boot without realizing it.
Clearing the Secure Boot keys does exactly what it says on the tin, which is remove ALL the Secure Boot certificates, including the PK (Primary Key certificate), so that you can reinstall your own. But of course, to do that, your system has to run with Secure Boot disabled until you install the new PK.

That's actually one of the requirements to run Mosby, especially as it installs a new unique PK, generated locally, that cannot be exploited (unlike the common, shared one from your platform manufacturer, some of which are known to have had their secret part exfiltrated to bad actors either through manufacturer error, through direct attack or, if you are living under an authoritarian regime, through government request): You must make sure that your system is in Setup Mode then, since you are going to reinstall the certs.

Also, I'll advise people against using the "Reset Secure Boot Keys to defaults" if you have that option, since if the whole point was to get rid of vulnerable points of attacks, like the 2011 Windows CA, it will of course completely undo this and this is actually much worse solution than temporarily disabling Secure Boot when installing Windows the time you (or Windows, as it does try to update its bootloaders automatically) sort the bootloader situation.

So I must really stress this out that none of the options above (Clearing the Secure Boot keys or resetting them to their default value) are something you want to do if you went the trouble of getting your platform updated with the 2023 CA, because then you are completely undoing that work, and leaving your system more vulnerable than if you simply, and knowingly, disable Secure Boot for a short while...
 

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I expect this post to be filled with people complaining about it when MS starts enforcing those changes on the systems worldwide... typically they should have made an option or a registry key that needs to be added to be excluded from those kind of forced secure boot key update mechanism...

Ah well.. until then if MS is so eager to frustrate users, see you next year or on the new years at the earliest :shawn::ufo:
 

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I'm just making sure I at least have all the 2011 and 2023 keys generated and in place, then I'll wait for Microsoft to make the next move. :-)
 

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I'm just making sure I at least have all the 2011 and 2023 keys generated and in place
Certificates update daily without people knowing it, even for browsers.
Many skilled users do not even know, that Catroot2 file are certificates.
 

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Catroot2 file are certificates.
I never backup this folder, I even make sure that Macrium excludes this folder always, it avoids the problem where "CryptSvc" bugs out and starts consuming CPU cycles and do high disk usage like crazy :ROFLMAO: , I don't know if they fixed it or not but I don't care, it's harmless.
 

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    AMD K17.6 FCH, AMD K17.6 IMC
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    LM156LF-2F03 144HZ with Adaptive SYNC
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    ASUS Power Brick 180W
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    Laptop Case with Dual Fan
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    Dual Fans Design with Self-Cleaning Cooling
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    Asus Aura RGB with Overstroke technology
    Mouse
    ROG SICA Gaming Mouse
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    100Mbps FiberOptic [100 Mbps Down - 50 Mbps Up]
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    Chrome/Firefox/Tor
    Antivirus
    Symantec Endpoint Protection with Windows Defender (Active Mode) + Custom DNS Server
    Other Info
    CPU with -15 Curve Optimizer all cores and -50 Cure optimizer on iGPU
    BCLK OC to 101.6Mhz
    Benchmark Scores:-
    CineBench R23 Single core:- 1290 points
    CineBench R23 Multi core:- 11111 points
Certificates update daily without people knowing it, even for browsers.
Many skilled users do not even know, that Catroot2 file are certificates.
Since these are automatically updated, many skilled users don't even care. ;-)
 

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    Gigabyte B760M G P WIFI
    Memory
    64GB DDR4
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce RTX 4060
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    Chipset Realtek
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    LG 45" Ultragear, Acer 24" 1080p
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    5120x1440, 1920x1080
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    Crucial P310 2TB 2280 PCIe Gen4 3D NAND NVMe M.2 SSD (O/S)
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    Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 750W
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    LIAN LI LANCOOL 216 E-ATX PC Case
    Cooling
    Lots of fans!
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Comfort Curve 2000
    Mouse
    Logitech G305
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    Verizon FiOS 1GB
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Malware Bytes & Windows Defender Security
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    Win 11 Pro 25H2, Build 26200.8524
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Home Brew
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 14400
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte B760M DS3H AX
    Memory
    32GB DDR5
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel 700 Embedded GPU
    Sound Card
    Realtek Embedded
    Monitor(s) Displays
    27" HP 1080p
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Crucial P310 2TB 2280 PCIe Gen4 eD NAND PCIe SSD
    Samsung EVO 990 2TB NVMe Gen4 SSD
    Samsung 2TB SATA SSD
    PSU
    Thermaltake Smart BM3 650W
    Case
    Okinos Micro ATX Case
    Cooling
    Fans
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Comfort Curve 2000
    Mouse
    Logitech G305
    Internet Speed
    Verizon FiOS 1GB
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Malware Bytes & Windows Defender Security
Since these are automatically updated, many skilled users don't even care. ;-)
Yeah, but when there was a problem with certificates and I suggested Catroot2 reset, they were like, why, it is unrelated?!
 

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    Home26H2Can
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    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 5 8600G (07/24)
    Motherboard
    ASROCK B650M-HDV/M.2 (07/24) BIOS 4.21 AGESA ComboAM5 1.3.0.1 (04/26)
    Memory
    2x32GB Kingston FURY DDR5 5600 MHz CL36 @5200 CL36 (07/24)
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    ASROCK Radeon RX 6600 Challenger D 8G @48FPS (08/24)
    Sound Card
    Creative Sound BlasterX AE-5 Plus (05/24)
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    24" Philips 24M1N3200ZS/00 (05/24)
    Screen Resolution
    1920×1080@165Hz via DP1.4
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    Kingston KC3000 NVMe 2TB (05/24)
    ADATA XPG GAMMIX S11 Pro 512GB (07/19)
    PSU
    Seasonic Core GM 550 Gold (04/24)
    Case
    Fractal Design Define 7 Mini with 3x Noctua NF-P14s/12@555rpm (04/24)
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-U12S with Noctua NF-P12 (04/24)
    Keyboard
    HP Pavilion Wired Keyboard 300 (07/24) + Rabalux 76017 Parker (01/24)
    Mouse
    Logitech M330 Silent Plus (01/26)
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    500/100 Mbps via RouterOS (05/21) & TCP Optimizer
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    Edge, Brave for YouTube, LibreWolf for FB
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    NextDNS blocking 1/3 Traffic
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    Phone: Motorola Moto G86 (02/26)
    Backup: Hasleo Backup Suite (PreOS)
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    Chair: Huzaro Force 4.4 Grey Mesh (05/24)
    Notifier: Xiaomi Mi Band 9 Milanese (10/24)
    FlexCore USB-C 3.2 Gen 1 (M) to LAN (F) (08/25)
Yeah, but when there was a problem with certificates and I suggested Catroot2 reset, they were like, why, it is unrelated?!
My view is there is simply too many intricacies with Windows for even some fairly well versed people to truly know all the in's and out's. That's what this forum is all about, there are lots of folks that know way more than I do, so I come here for answers. :-)

There's always folks around that know more about a topic than you do and others that know less about that topic. That's the whole point of the group synergy of a forum like this. Taken collectively, there's a lot of knowledge here about wide swaths of the Windows technical landscape.
 

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  • OS
    Win 11 Pro 25H2, Build 26200.8524
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Home Brew
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 14500
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte B760M G P WIFI
    Memory
    64GB DDR4
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce RTX 4060
    Sound Card
    Chipset Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG 45" Ultragear, Acer 24" 1080p
    Screen Resolution
    5120x1440, 1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Crucial P310 2TB 2280 PCIe Gen4 3D NAND NVMe M.2 SSD (O/S)
    Silicon Power 2TB US75 NVMe PCIe Gen4 M.2 2280 SSD (backup)
    Crucial BX500 2TB 3D NAND (2nd backup)
    Seagate 4TB Ironwolf, rotating HDD archive files
    External off-line backup Drives: 2 NVMe 4TB drives in external enclosures
    PSU
    Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 750W
    Case
    LIAN LI LANCOOL 216 E-ATX PC Case
    Cooling
    Lots of fans!
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Comfort Curve 2000
    Mouse
    Logitech G305
    Internet Speed
    Verizon FiOS 1GB
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Malware Bytes & Windows Defender Security
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    Win 11 Pro 25H2, Build 26200.8524
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Home Brew
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 14400
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte B760M DS3H AX
    Memory
    32GB DDR5
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel 700 Embedded GPU
    Sound Card
    Realtek Embedded
    Monitor(s) Displays
    27" HP 1080p
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Crucial P310 2TB 2280 PCIe Gen4 eD NAND PCIe SSD
    Samsung EVO 990 2TB NVMe Gen4 SSD
    Samsung 2TB SATA SSD
    PSU
    Thermaltake Smart BM3 650W
    Case
    Okinos Micro ATX Case
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    Fans
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    Microsoft Comfort Curve 2000
    Mouse
    Logitech G305
    Internet Speed
    Verizon FiOS 1GB
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Malware Bytes & Windows Defender Security
I just want to make sure I have this right. If I don't do anything, Windows updates will update my computers to the new certificates. It is then up to the software vendors such as Macrium for example, to update their programs to allow their software to boot?
 
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    Windows 11 Pro 25H2
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec B746
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    Intel Core i7-10700K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4/ax
    Memory
    16GB (8GB PC4-19200 DDR4 SDRAM x2)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 TI
    Sound Card
    Realtek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    #1. LG ULTRAWIDE 34" #2. AOC Q32G2WG3 32"
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    #1. 3440 X 1440 #2. 1920 x 1080
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    NVMe WDC WDS100T2B0C-00PXH0 1TB
    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB
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    750 Watts (62.5A)
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    PowerSpec/Lian Li ATX 205
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    Logitech K270
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    Logitech M185
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    Microsoft Edge and Firefox
    Antivirus
    Webroot SecureAnywhere CE 26.1
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    Windows 11 Canary Channel
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    PowerSpec G156
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    Intel Core i5-8400 CPU @ 2.80GHz
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    AsusTeK Prime B360M-A
    Memory
    16 MB DDR 4-2666
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    23" Speptre HDMI 75Hz
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
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    Samsung 970 EVO 500GB NVMe
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    Logitek K270
    Mouse
    Logitek M185
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge and Edge Canary
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
The Macrium recovery USB is built from your existing Windows files. It's entirely possible that you created the USB, or your last backup, before the update. Remember: it's not adding CA 2023 that is the problem. It's the revocation of the old CA 2021 cert.

Rufus already has logic to check the boot file on whatever ISO you're providing, and give you a heads up on whether its the old or new version.

Other vendors haven't seem to have caught up, especially ones that create bootable USB recovery drives. The revocation issue affects ANYTHING that depends on a bootable drive. The ideal solution is Macrium detects which version you have in the current Windows, and actively reminds you that if you were to revoke CA 2023, you should remake the USB recovery drive to be compatible and take a new backup.

This includes any other WinPE or WinRE-based boot tools, and even some Linux distros if you're using an older version that isn't aware of the cert problem.
 

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System One

  • OS
    Windows 7
The Macrium recovery USB is built from your existing Windows files. It's entirely possible that you created the USB, or your last backup, before the update. Remember: it's not adding CA 2023 that is the problem. It's the revocation of the old CA 2021 cert.

Rufus already has logic to check the boot file on whatever ISO you're providing, and give you a heads up on whether its the old or new version.

Other vendors haven't seem to have caught up, especially ones that create bootable USB recovery drives. The revocation issue affects ANYTHING that depends on a bootable drive. The ideal solution is Macrium detects which version you have in the current Windows, and actively reminds you that if you were to revoke CA 2023, you should remake the USB recovery drive to be compatible and take a new backup.

This includes any other WinPE or WinRE-based boot tools, and even some Linux distros if you're using an older version that isn't aware of the cert problem.
The CA 2011 cert, right?

Thanks for reminding me, I have to make a new Acronis TI Boot disk.
 

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  • OS
    Win 11 Pro 25H2, Build 26200.8524
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Home Brew
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 14500
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte B760M G P WIFI
    Memory
    64GB DDR4
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce RTX 4060
    Sound Card
    Chipset Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG 45" Ultragear, Acer 24" 1080p
    Screen Resolution
    5120x1440, 1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Crucial P310 2TB 2280 PCIe Gen4 3D NAND NVMe M.2 SSD (O/S)
    Silicon Power 2TB US75 NVMe PCIe Gen4 M.2 2280 SSD (backup)
    Crucial BX500 2TB 3D NAND (2nd backup)
    Seagate 4TB Ironwolf, rotating HDD archive files
    External off-line backup Drives: 2 NVMe 4TB drives in external enclosures
    PSU
    Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 750W
    Case
    LIAN LI LANCOOL 216 E-ATX PC Case
    Cooling
    Lots of fans!
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Comfort Curve 2000
    Mouse
    Logitech G305
    Internet Speed
    Verizon FiOS 1GB
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Malware Bytes & Windows Defender Security
  • Operating System
    Win 11 Pro 25H2, Build 26200.8524
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Home Brew
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 14400
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte B760M DS3H AX
    Memory
    32GB DDR5
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel 700 Embedded GPU
    Sound Card
    Realtek Embedded
    Monitor(s) Displays
    27" HP 1080p
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Crucial P310 2TB 2280 PCIe Gen4 eD NAND PCIe SSD
    Samsung EVO 990 2TB NVMe Gen4 SSD
    Samsung 2TB SATA SSD
    PSU
    Thermaltake Smart BM3 650W
    Case
    Okinos Micro ATX Case
    Cooling
    Fans
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Comfort Curve 2000
    Mouse
    Logitech G305
    Internet Speed
    Verizon FiOS 1GB
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Malware Bytes & Windows Defender Security
Sorry bad typo. I think I've posted like 20 replies on this thread...
 

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System One

  • OS
    Windows 7
Sorry bad typo. I think I've posted like 20 replies on this thread...
Well, I was sure you knew, just wanted to make sure it didn't confuse someone else. :LOL: Those darned certificates get sooooo confusing. :p:p
 

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    Win 11 Pro 25H2, Build 26200.8524
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Home Brew
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 14500
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte B760M G P WIFI
    Memory
    64GB DDR4
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce RTX 4060
    Sound Card
    Chipset Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG 45" Ultragear, Acer 24" 1080p
    Screen Resolution
    5120x1440, 1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Crucial P310 2TB 2280 PCIe Gen4 3D NAND NVMe M.2 SSD (O/S)
    Silicon Power 2TB US75 NVMe PCIe Gen4 M.2 2280 SSD (backup)
    Crucial BX500 2TB 3D NAND (2nd backup)
    Seagate 4TB Ironwolf, rotating HDD archive files
    External off-line backup Drives: 2 NVMe 4TB drives in external enclosures
    PSU
    Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 750W
    Case
    LIAN LI LANCOOL 216 E-ATX PC Case
    Cooling
    Lots of fans!
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Comfort Curve 2000
    Mouse
    Logitech G305
    Internet Speed
    Verizon FiOS 1GB
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Malware Bytes & Windows Defender Security
  • Operating System
    Win 11 Pro 25H2, Build 26200.8524
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Home Brew
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 14400
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte B760M DS3H AX
    Memory
    32GB DDR5
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel 700 Embedded GPU
    Sound Card
    Realtek Embedded
    Monitor(s) Displays
    27" HP 1080p
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Crucial P310 2TB 2280 PCIe Gen4 eD NAND PCIe SSD
    Samsung EVO 990 2TB NVMe Gen4 SSD
    Samsung 2TB SATA SSD
    PSU
    Thermaltake Smart BM3 650W
    Case
    Okinos Micro ATX Case
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    Fans
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Comfort Curve 2000
    Mouse
    Logitech G305
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    Verizon FiOS 1GB
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Malware Bytes & Windows Defender Security
Act now - you only have 11 months.

At my age, thats an eternity LOL.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro + Win11 Canary VM.
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    Laptop
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    ASUS Zenbook 14
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    I9 13th gen i9-13900H 2.60 GHZ
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    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB soldered
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    Integrated Intel Iris XE
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    Realtek built in
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    laptop OLED screen
    Screen Resolution
    2880x1800 touchscreen
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    1 TB NVME SSD (only weakness is only one slot)
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    Internal + 65W thunderbolt USB4 charger
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois (UK pint cans - 568 ml) - extra cost.
    Keyboard
    Built in UK keybd
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wireless dongled, wired
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    900 mbs (ethernet), wifi 6 typical 350-450 mb/s both up and down
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    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
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    TPM 2.0, 2xUSB4 thunderbolt, 1xUsb3 (usb a), 1xUsb-c, hdmi out, 3.5 mm audio out/in combo, ASUS backlit trackpad (inc. switchable number pad)

    Macrium Reflect Home V8
    Office 365 Family (6 users each 1TB onedrive space)
    Hyper-V (a vm runs almost as fast as my older laptop)
For any Macrium folks... whenever you get the new Certs you need to remake the Macrium bootable media as follows...



I assume Macrium ReflectX has the same ability.
 

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  • OS
    Win 11 Home ♦♦♦26200.8457 ♦♦♦♦♦♦♦25H2
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Built by Ghot® [May 2020]
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
    Motherboard
    Asus Pro WS X570-ACE (BIOS 5302)
    Memory
    G.Skill (F4-3200C14D-16GTZKW)
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA RTX 2070 (08G-P4-2171-KR)
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    Realtek ALC1220P / ALC S1220A
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell U3011 30"
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    2x Samsung 860 EVO 500GB,
    WD 4TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
    WD 8TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
    DRW-24B1ST CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling 750W Quad EPS12V
    Case
    Cooler Master ATCS 840 Tower
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    CM Hyper 212 EVO (push/pull)
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    Ducky DK9008 Shine II Blue LED
    Mouse
    Logitech Optical M-100
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    300/300
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    Firefox (latest)
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    Bitdefender Total Security
    Other Info
    Speakers: Klipsch Pro Media 2.1
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    Windows XP Pro 32bit w/SP3
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    PC/Desktop
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    Built by Ghot® (not in use)
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    AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ (OC'd @ 3.2Ghz)
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    ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wireless Edition
    Memory
    TWIN2X2048-6400C4DHX (2 x 1GB, DDR2 800)
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    EVGA 256-P2-N758-TR GeForce 8600GT SSC
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    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ViewSonic G90FB Black 19" Professional (CRT)
    Screen Resolution
    up to 2048 x 1536
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    WD 36GB 10,000rpm Raptor SATA
    Seagate 80GB 7200rpm SATA
    Lite-On LTR-52246S CD/RW
    Lite-On LH-18A1P CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad EPS12V
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    Generic Beige case, 80mm fans
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    ZALMAN 9500A 92mm CPU Cooler
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    Logitech Classic Keybooard 200
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    Logitech Optical M-BT96a
    Internet Speed
    300/300
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    Firefox 3.x ??
    Antivirus
    Symantec (Norton)
    Other Info
    Still assembled, still runs. Haven't turned it on for 15 years?

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