Classic Shell Returns For Windows 11 (with and/or without) ExplorerPatcher installed


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CLASSIC-SHELL IS BACK FOR WINDOWS 11


Just some FYI. The Open-Shell start menu is back and you might know that if you run it with ExplorerPatcher installed, you can use in any Windows 11 edition to replace that awful OEM start menu :p

Note: The newest version below seems to run on the Windows 11 Devel branch without ExplorerPatch installed.


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A new version is near completion and will post when it's ready. I ave been told that some are even running .173 version on Win 11 without the Explorer mod installed. Let me know if this is the case for you.


Tim
ARS N9NU
 
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Windows 11 Developmental Branch -- Latest Release.

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Sweet!
 

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Thanks for the info. I do not use Open Shell anymore but I recommend it to a lot of prople that need it for the transition to 11.
 

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    still not telling
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Thanks for the info. I do not use Open Shell anymore but I recommend it to a lot of prople that need it for the transition to 11.
Whilst I preferred the W10 menu, in the end the W11 menu is not really that different (more so since live tiles got ditched).

People seem to get so worked up over a menu. A menu is just a list of items you run. The icons part are your favourites, and the rest you select from the a-z list.

People seem to forget the menu is a means to an end, not the end itself.

So, I would not recommend any 3rd party menu to a person transitioning to W11 as its menu works ok.

If people need a slicker menu (as you say), they can install one later. I rather dispute people really need a slicker menu but it is a bit like climbing Everest because it is there i.e. there are slicker menus, so they want one.

I doubt slicker menus seriously add anything in terms of overall productivity, and you always have hassle of needing to maintain a 3rd party menu.

The problem with this forum is we often lose sight of what vast majority of rest of the world will do - I bet way less than even 10% of total users would ever install a 3rd party menu. Look around all your "average" user friends - how many of them have a third party menu.

My experience most use the default menu (I have not seen a single instance of a third party menu). In the corporate world, I have never seen a 3rd party menu installed.

In fact, most of my friends have a mess of desktop icons but they don't care so long as they can click icon, run program.
 

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    TPM 2.0
I'm sorry what is new here? Maybe I don't understand your post. Both of these programs have existed for quite a while.
 

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    Windows 11
@cereberus I am in total agreement but some folks are so resistant to change and no amount of cajoling will convince them to try something new. I swear some of them would still be using XP if they could buy a new computer that had it. For the most part, I think it's because they are scared of computers in the first place. My husband is the worst of the bunch. He becomes a raving lunatic if there is the least little change in the appearance of his screen.
 

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    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 22631.3155
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    Dell Optiplex 7080
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    i9-10900 10 core 20 threads
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    DELL 0J37VM
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    32 gb
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    none-Intel UHD Graphics 630
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    Benq 27
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    2560x1440
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    1tb Solidigm m.2 +256gb ssd+512 gb usb m.2 sata
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    500w
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    Dell Premium
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    Defender+MWB Premium
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I have been using Open-Shell 4.1.1160 in Windows 11 without the Explorer Patch for about a year now and it has always worked. It first didn't work until I used the Custom Start button then it worked. I glad to see someone is updating it still.
 

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I've been using CS/OS since W8 and love the features it offers over the standard menu.
 

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    EVGA Supernova G2 1300w
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    I sit on a Secret Lab Titan XL 2020 chair.😍
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    2021 HP Omen
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    AMD Ryzen 7 5800H
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    factory
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    16gb ddr 3200
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    Nvidia RTX 3060 Mobile
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    4 zone rgb
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    Chrome primary, FF-IE and Edge secondary
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    Norton 360 Premium
I have been using Open-Shell 4.1.1160 in Windows 11 without the Explorer Patch for about a year now and it has always worked. It first didn't work until I used the Custom Start button then it worked. I glad to see someone is updating it still.
Hmm I tried once but my WiN7 button is too small as the 11 button still shows in vertical
 

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Using 4.4.170 , its the latest stable version , in Win11.
Works awsome , computing gives you more fun with this great software............ :wink:
 

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Yeah... PhotoGrid_Site_1660738553907.jpg
 

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    Intel high Def (basically onboard)
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    AC (IDK the watts)
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    Defender
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    A USB 3.0 in the Express Card Slot
I swear some of them would still be using XP if they could buy a new computer that had it.
I have a friend like this, and he's proud of it, and has to mention his liking XP and still has a PC with XP that he uses everywhere we go. It's embarrassing to me, but I guess some folks like living back in 2001. :rolleyes:
 

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    ASROCK Z97 EXTREME4
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It hasn't been anywhere!

Never used Explorer Patcher and have been using Open Shell since day 1 on Win 11 also 4.4.170 on 11 Beta, 11 Preview and Win10.
 

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    Windows 11 22H2 OS Build 22623.1095
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    PC/Desktop
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    Self Build
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    AMD Ryzen 7 3800X
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    Asus PRIME B350-PLUS
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    16GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 @3000Mhz
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    ASUS - GeForce RTX 3070 Ti 8 GB TUF GAMING OC
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    On Board Realtec
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    Acer KA241
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    1920 x 1080 @60Hz
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    240GB PNY CS900 SSD - OS
    2 x 1TB Crucial MX500 SSD
    1 x 500GB Crucial MX300 SSD
    2TB Seagate ST2000DM001-1ER164
    2TB Seagate ST2000DM008-2FR102
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    750 Watt Corsair TX750 Plus
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    Cooler Master 690 III
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    Akasa AK98 5 Case Fans
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    Logitech K270 - wireless
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    Logitech - M185 wireless
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    BT Fibre 75 Mbps
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    Firefox
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    Windows Defender
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    Use hardware KVM to switch monitors on three PCs and software (input director) to use mouse and keyboard on all 4 PCs.
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    Windows 11 Pro 22H2 build 22621.900
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Inspiron 3881 - modified with SFX PSU fitted internally
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    Intel i5 - 10400
    Motherboard
    Dell 032w55 version A00
    Memory
    16GB of HyperX Fury @ 2133 Mhz
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    EVGA 6GB GTX 1060.
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    Builtin
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    ACER KA241
    Screen Resolution
    1920x 1080 @60Hz
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    256GB SK hynix NVMe
    1TB Western Digital WD10EZEX-75WN4A1
    PSU
    Modular 450 Watt Corsair SF450 Platinum ( Mod to replace the Dell 265 Watt PSU)
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    Inspiron Small Desktop
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    Dell stock cooler
    Mouse
    Dell
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    Dell
    Internet Speed
    BT Fibre 75 Mbps
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Use hardware KVM to switch monitors on three PCs and software (input director) to use mouse and keyboard on all 4 PCs.
I have a friend like this, and he's proud of it, and has to mention his liking XP and still has a PC with XP that he uses everywhere we go. It's embarrassing to me, but I guess some folks like living back in 2001. :rolleyes:
Jeez - I forgot XP was 21st century !
 

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System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 Pro + others in VHDs
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Vivobook 14
    CPU
    I7
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    N/A
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Optane NVME SSD, 1 TB NVME SSD
    PSU
    Yep, got one
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois
    Keyboard
    Built in
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wired
    Internet Speed
    72 Mb/s :-(
    Browser
    Edge mostly
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0
@cereberus I am in total agreement but some folks are so resistant to change and no amount of cajoling will convince them to try something new. I swear some of them would still be using XP if they could buy a new computer that had it. For the most part, I think it's because they are scared of computers in the first place. My husband is the worst of the bunch. He becomes a raving lunatic if there is the least little change in the appearance of his screen.
Yeah - I have a 70 year old friend who whizzes around mobile ordering stuff, paying bills, watching movies, bbc iplayer etc, and knows how to use facebook far better than I do, but put her in front of a laptop, she is scared to press a button. It's a mindset thing - "computers are used by experts but anybody can use a mobile phone"

However, I feel a lot of folks here on this forum are quite capable of handling change but pride themselves on NOT using MS menus.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 10 Pro + others in VHDs
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    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Vivobook 14
    CPU
    I7
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    N/A
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Optane NVME SSD, 1 TB NVME SSD
    PSU
    Yep, got one
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois
    Keyboard
    Built in
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wired
    Internet Speed
    72 Mb/s :-(
    Browser
    Edge mostly
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0
@cereberus I am in total agreement but some folks are so resistant to change and no amount of cajoling will convince them to try something new. I swear some of them would still be using XP if they could buy a new computer that had it. For the most part, I think it's because they are scared of computers in the first place. My husband is the worst of the bunch. He becomes a raving lunatic if there is the least little change in the appearance of his screen.
I am living proof to the contrary. I can't stand the recent Explorer interface, I'm unable to be productive without OpenShell. However, I am far from being afraid of computers, I made very advanced modifications in the system. Also, it's not a problem with the switch, because when I was a kid (in the 2000s), my parents used an iMac G5, so I knew very little about Windows XP. The first Windows I experienced was Windows 10.
 

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System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 21H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer
    Memory
    8 GB
    Screen Resolution
    1920 X 1080
I have a friend like this, and he's proud of it, and has to mention his liking XP and still has a PC with XP that he uses everywhere we go. It's embarrassing to me, but I guess some folks like living back in 2001. :rolleyes:
This is no coincidence, because XP is one of the best Windows in terms of ergonomics (along with Windows 95 and NT4).

If I find a 2001 chair more comfortable than a 2021 chair of the same brand, that doesn't make me a backslider. For ergonomics, it's the same. There should be no consideration of mode and time, it goes against the very definition of ergonomics.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 10 21H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer
    Memory
    8 GB
    Screen Resolution
    1920 X 1080
Whilst I preferred the W10 menu, in the end the W11 menu is not really that different (more so since live tiles got ditched).

People seem to get so worked up over a menu. A menu is just a list of items you run. The icons part are your favourites, and the rest you select from the a-z list.

People seem to forget the menu is a means to an end, not the end itself.

So, I would not recommend any 3rd party menu to a person transitioning to W11 as its menu works ok.

If people need a slicker menu (as you say), they can install one later. I rather dispute people really need a slicker menu but it is a bit like climbing Everest because it is there i.e. there are slicker menus, so they want one.

I doubt slicker menus seriously add anything in terms of overall productivity, and you always have hassle of needing to maintain a 3rd party menu.

The problem with this forum is we often lose sight of what vast majority of rest of the world will do - I bet way less than even 10% of total users would ever install a 3rd party menu. Look around all your "average" user friends - how many of them have a third party menu.

My experience most use the default menu (I have not seen a single instance of a third party menu). In the corporate world, I have never seen a 3rd party menu installed.

In fact, most of my friends have a mess of desktop icons but they don't care so long as they can click icon, run program.
I don't agree with you at all.

First, the interface of a system is not the system itself. The system itself is not supposed to depend on the interface. If so, that's a bad design. Look at the many GNU/Linux desktop environments.

Then, the one and only reason why less than 10% of users use a third-party menu is because most people don't know anything about computers. This does not mean that the menu is good. If someone has a problem with a menu (Windows 10 or Windows 11), I immediately advise them to install OpenShell. A problem --> a solution. It's just a logical reasoning, wanting in principle not to install a third-party menu is dogmatic.
Personally, I never use the A/Z list, because it wastes time My programs and my favorite sites are classified by category. Likewise, messing up icons on the desktop is the best way to get distracted from work.
Finally, OpenShell causes no damage to the system, it's even the opposite, since the OpenShell menu consumes much less RAM than the original menu. With OpenShell installed, just rename (in Windows 10, in Windows 11 it might be different) StartMenuExperienceHost.exe. You will notice in passing that the Windows start menu is a separate process, just like OpenShell. So technically the OpenShell menu is no less native. This is technically equivalent to changing your phone ringtone.
 

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System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 21H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer
    Memory
    8 GB
    Screen Resolution
    1920 X 1080
To a computer operator, either the owner or just a worker, the menu can make the difference between an easy day at work or a miserable day at work. It's all about the PC being User Friendly! If it's not User Friendly, then it's just another piece of over priced junk.

I walked into a school office one day and observed the lady at the desk entering a whole string of DOS commands into her PC in order to run Lotus 1.2.3. DBASE III was another matter all together.
She had the list of commands written down, but she had entered them so many times that she pretty well had them memorized.
But let a sub come into that office, and she would be lost.

I asked her if I could help her out, and save her some time, and she said "Sure!".
I sat down at her old IBM AT and in less than ten minutes I wrote her an Ansi Color menu where all she had to do is enter one number and press the enter key and her Program popped up on the screen.

She was ecstatic! Time saved and more work done.
I was actually there to pick up all the computers from their computer Lab, to take them for a tuneup, before school started for the year.

As for Windows 11, I used the same "Classic Shell" as I've used on Win-8.1 and Win-10. Works just fine.
I was sad that the original authors decided to abandon it, but I was glad again that some others picked it up and continued it.

For the newcomers who have never used DOS, or worked with a DOS menu, here's one I wrote years ago, back in Windows ME days.
Originally, this was on a 3.5" floppy disk.

ME boot from SD.jpg
A lot of work could be done, by just entering one number and pressing the ENTER key.

Menu's are just for the aid of the operator.
Cheers Mates!
TM :cool:
 

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System One

  • OS
    Win-11/Pro/64, Optimum 11 V3, 23H2 22631.3085
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Home Made w/Gigabyte mobo/DX-10
    CPU
    AMD FX 6350 Six Core
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte, DX-10, GA-78LMT-USB3
    Memory
    Crucial, 16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Onboard, ATI Radeon HD 3000; NVIDEA GeForce 210, 1GB DDR3 Ram.
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    24" Acer
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Crucial SSD 500GB, SanDisk 126GB SSD, Toshiba 1TB HD
    PSU
    EVGA 500 W.
    Case
    Pac Man, Mid Tower
    Cooling
    AMD/OEM
    Keyboard
    101 key, Backlit/ Mechanical Switches/
    Mouse
    Logitech USB Wireless M310
    Internet Speed
    Hughes Net speed varies with the weather
    Browser
    Firefox 64x
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender, Super Anti Spyware
    Other Info
    Given to me as DEAD, and irreparable.
    Rebuilt with Gigabyte mobo, AMD cpu, 16GB ram and 500GB Crucial SSD.
While Classic Shell works fine in Windows 10 and 11, I use Open Shell to get the latest. I have no problem using the default Windows 10 or 11 start menu, but I hate when I have to scroll through tens of applications to find the one I want to launch. I find the Windows 7 menu better organized and easier to use, so I also install Open Shell and set it to Windows 7 style for my friends. I also prefer the colorful Windows Vista/7 start button over the plain white default of newer Windows versions, so I replace that also. I use custom system icons almost everywhere, including the battery, network and sound icons. If these are grouped together (as is default in Windows 11) any custom icons are ignored and I see the original Windows 11 icons instead. So I have also installed Explorer Patcher to ungroup them and to restore the list of tools including Task Manager when you right-click on the taskbar. Having both Open Shell and Explorer Patcher installed, I didn't notice any issue. Latest Explorer Patcher fixes the bug of the network icon that would not work in the previous version. The latest version shows labels (such as Flight mode) instead of the respective icons, but this is a known issue and will be fixed.

For anyone interested, to replace the system icons, I use Customizer God. To get the Windows 7 start button and start menu I use Open Shell. This also gives the useful cut/copy/paste buttons in Explorer. To ungroup the battery network and sound icons and restore the right-click menu with Task Manager I use Explorer Patcher. To also replace the Windows 11 icons in classic System Properties and in Windows Version, I use Resource Hacker. To see the classic System Properties window you must create a new folder and then rename it with a specific code as the name, I don't have the code handy.
 
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System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 64-bit (build 22631.3155)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v23H2 (build 22631.3155)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    Gainward NE5105T018G1-1070F (nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Patriot Burst Elite 480GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Stock Intel CPU Fan, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4

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