Connected Thundertbolt drive causing very, very, very long boot times. Help!


Craig_B

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Braintrust,

I have been able to determine that my two Glyph Technologies Thunderbolt 32TB RAIDs are causing very, very, long reboot/boot up times...longest timed at 10 minutes. When disconnected (and with USB 3 drives connected), the G9 Workstation boots as quickly as expected. But, when re-connecting the Thunderbolt RAIDs, the process is excruciatingly long (I am crazy long, as mentioned, sometimes up to 10 minutes).

I have mucked around in the BIOS settings, to include turning of DCA protections/security settings (Thunderbolt), but no luck. The best I can tell, I have removed most of the HP bloatware (e.g., Sure Start/Wolf/etc).

My system is a relatively new HP HP Z2 Mini G9 Workstation Desktop/i9-13900k/64GB RAM

Any suggestions?

Thanks.

Best,
Craig
 
Windows Build/Version
Windows 11 23H2/22631.2715

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 and Mac OS
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Z2 Mini G9
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i9-13900K Processor
    Memory
    64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-5600 SODIMM ECC Memory
    Graphics Card(s)
    12GB RTX A2000
    Antivirus
    Malwarebytes
Can other USB-C drives be plugged into that port when you boot? There may be a hardware issue, slow boot times when certain drives are present usually indicates a drive issue.
 

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  • OS
    PE
Can other USB-C drives be plugged into that port when you boot? There may be a hardware issue, slow boot times when certain drives are present usually indicates a drive issue.

Thanks for the suggestion. I first connected a 4TB OWC USB-C drive into the same port and successfully rebooted without delay. I next tried a 4TB Thunderbolt 3 OWC SSD and it too did not cause a delay when rebooting. Strange. The hardware RAIDs (two 32TB RAIDs daisy changed) are functioning just fine and everything works as expected once booted and logged into Windows - no known performance issues.

I can't for the life of me figure out what is going and causing the boot delays.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 and Mac OS
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Z2 Mini G9
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i9-13900K Processor
    Memory
    64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-5600 SODIMM ECC Memory
    Graphics Card(s)
    12GB RTX A2000
    Antivirus
    Malwarebytes
Thanks for the suggestion. I first connected a 4TB OWC USB-C drive into the same port and successfully rebooted without delay. I next tried a 4TB Thunderbolt 3 OWC SSD and it too did not cause a delay when rebooting. Strange. The hardware RAIDs (two 32TB RAIDs daisy changed) are functioning just fine and everything works as expected once booted and logged into Windows - no known performance issues.

I can't for the life of me figure out what is going and causing the boot delays.
It could be any number of things. Sometimes CHKDSK or even a VS can delay a boot time. If your RAID involves mirroring this to can slow things down a bit. Evidently you're using an external device and these often come with built in software that can temporarily slow down performance. Just keep an eye on it and see if you don't eventually bounce back to your regular speeds. :-) I've seen this happen before.
 

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    WIN 11, WIN 10, WIN 8.1, WIN 7 U, WIN 7 PRO, WIN 7 HOME (32 Bit), LINUX MINT
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    DIY, ASUS, and DELL
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    Intel i7 6900K (octocore) / AMD 3800X (8 core)
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    ASUS X99E-WS USB 3.1
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    128 GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM (B DIE)
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    INTEL RAID 1 TOSHIBA ENTERPRIZE class Data 2794.52 GB
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I ran the system for a few days without the Thunderbolt 3 RAIDs connected and tested reboot times and they were as expected. Once the RAIDs were reconnected, ungodly reboot times returned. Next call will be to the Glymp Technologies tech support to see if they can be of any help as they were clueless via email and said such behavior was unusual and suggested a troubleshooting call.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 and Mac OS
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Z2 Mini G9
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i9-13900K Processor
    Memory
    64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-5600 SODIMM ECC Memory
    Graphics Card(s)
    12GB RTX A2000
    Antivirus
    Malwarebytes
As a test, I connected one of the Glyph Tech RAIDs to my HP ZBook running Windows 10 and while there was a noticeable delay with boot times, it was only slight and no where near what I am seeing with the Z2 Mini G9 Workstation running Windows 11.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 and Mac OS
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Z2 Mini G9
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i9-13900K Processor
    Memory
    64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-5600 SODIMM ECC Memory
    Graphics Card(s)
    12GB RTX A2000
    Antivirus
    Malwarebytes
Spoke to HP tech support and they are at a loss. They are sending a replacement flex port Thunderbolt card and I will see what happens after replacing.

Any other thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I really shouldn't take 5-10 minutes to get to the login screen with this thing connected.

Thanks.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 and Mac OS
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Z2 Mini G9
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i9-13900K Processor
    Memory
    64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-5600 SODIMM ECC Memory
    Graphics Card(s)
    12GB RTX A2000
    Antivirus
    Malwarebytes
Does it do the same after a restart from normal windows into Safe Mode? Set it from msconfig Boot zone.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11
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    homegrown
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    i5-13400f
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    Asus Rog Strix B760-i Wifi 1604
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    2x 16Gb DDr5 T-Force Vulkan @ 6000Mhz CL32
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    Rx 6800XT PowerColor
    Sound Card
    DAC FiiO BTA30 Pro / Realtek DTS on-board
    Monitor(s) Displays
    27" Curvy AOC 144Hz
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    2k
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    2x 2280 SSd (WD_Black & Team Group)
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    CoolerMaster V850 SFX Gold
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    Streacom DA6 open-air "case"
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    Noctua NH-C14S CPU / Noctua 140mm side
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    cheapie wired
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    Logitech G703 / Razer Mamba Wi
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    1000Mbps
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    Fire the Fox
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    Bitdefender
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    Fully customized Windows settings, max privacy focused, fully de-bloated.
Does it do the same after a restart from normal windows into Safe Mode? Set it from msconfig Boot zone.
Thanks for the suggestion. No change when booting into Safe Mode - tested this AM and it took 5 minutes to get to the login screen.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 and Mac OS
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Z2 Mini G9
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i9-13900K Processor
    Memory
    64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-5600 SODIMM ECC Memory
    Graphics Card(s)
    12GB RTX A2000
    Antivirus
    Malwarebytes
Thanks for the suggestion. No change when booting into Safe Mode - tested this AM and it took 5 minutes to get to the login screen.
that`s disappointing. Points more to hardware issue.
I take it you have intel VMD Drivers already installed and working, from bios too.

Is the long wait time before windows starts loading up or during the time windows starts up?
Are drives(raid) encrypted? Or is the swap space encrypted?
 
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My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    homegrown
    CPU
    i5-13400f
    Motherboard
    Asus Rog Strix B760-i Wifi 1604
    Memory
    2x 16Gb DDr5 T-Force Vulkan @ 6000Mhz CL32
    Graphics Card(s)
    Rx 6800XT PowerColor
    Sound Card
    DAC FiiO BTA30 Pro / Realtek DTS on-board
    Monitor(s) Displays
    27" Curvy AOC 144Hz
    Screen Resolution
    2k
    Hard Drives
    2x 2280 SSd (WD_Black & Team Group)
    PSU
    CoolerMaster V850 SFX Gold
    Case
    Streacom DA6 open-air "case"
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-C14S CPU / Noctua 140mm side
    Keyboard
    cheapie wired
    Mouse
    Logitech G703 / Razer Mamba Wi
    Internet Speed
    1000Mbps
    Browser
    Fire the Fox
    Antivirus
    Bitdefender
    Other Info
    Fully customized Windows settings, max privacy focused, fully de-bloated.
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