DRIVES DISAPPEARING UNDER HEAVY LOAD

DTG1 · Sep 4, 2025

gunrunnerjohn said:
Some of the problems were supposedly happening to non-Phison based SSD drive and even some HDD models. I honestly don't have the time or energy to track down what specific controller is used in the different drives I have, I have half a dozen brands and models in use. I repeated the copy test around on the four internal drives on my backup computer, and after eight round trips, the end result was a file that was an exact binary match for the original source file. That's a test of a total of eight SSD drives copying a 250GB file for eight trips through four drives without any issues. I'm done testing, I'm putting this whole story behind me.

Sorry but if your gonna try to debunk things, you should know which controller you are testing against and make sure they are not on the theoretical bad drive list of affected controllers. That being said, some of the same drives ( partnumber/size/shape) could have different controllers that are unaffected. So basically what you did is pointless, except the knowledge that YOUR drives are unaffected. The non-phison drives affected is barely worth mention its such a small sample size

gunrunnerjohn · Sep 4, 2025

DTG1 said:
Sorry but if your gonna try to debunk things, you should know which controller you are testing against and make sure they are not on the theoretical bad drive list of affected controllers. That being said, some of the same drives ( partnumber/size/shape) could have different controllers that are unaffected. So basically what you did is pointless, except the knowledge that YOUR drives are unaffected. The non-phison drives affected is barely worth mention its such a small sample size

Since Phison spend 4500 hours testing drives with their controller, that seemed like a waste of time for my limited testing. However, since the complaints mentioned the possibility of many brands and types of disks being involved, my testing seemed to be more on target.

YES, my testing was mostly for me to know if I am affected by the issue. I can't imagine chasing down every potential issue for everyone involved in every issue! However, just like countless other posts on many issues, knowing that someone has tested a variety of drives on several systems just might be useful information for folks involved.

If my posts are not useful for you, may I suggest you simply pass them by. I don't need admonishment from the peanut gallery from someone that didn't expend any time testing the issue.

garlin · Sep 6, 2025

Hmmmm.
Root cause for why Windows 11 is breaking or corrupting SSDs may have been found

RJARRRPCGP · Sep 6, 2025

To Neowin, it looks like I'm running an ad blocker, LOL. When it's just Firefox having strict security settings.
I had to tighten up Firefox, since February, 2024, due to malvertising.

There are major consequences, when there are ad-poisoning incidents. I honestly think there should be a new law ordering a take down of ads, when malvertising gets spotted.

Precisely, in early-2024, it was when I was at a legit web site, when I got redirected to a cyber-attacker's web site.

DTG1 · Sep 7, 2025

garlin said:
Hmmmm.
Root cause for why Windows 11 is breaking or corrupting SSDs may have been found

somehow may have been triggered by the Windows 11 updates

by saying 'somehow', they still havent found the real problem.

BrianInEngland · Sep 7, 2025

garlin said:
Hmmmm.
Root cause for why Windows 11 is breaking or corrupting SSDs may have been found

Right, so how did these SSDs get into the hands of users if all the retail ones had official firmware?
Doesn't smell right to me!

Taliseian · Sep 7, 2025

Most of us on here and on other enthusiast boards would probably go ahead and check and/or update all firmware and drivers the moment we get a new piece of hardware.

I know a lot of people who would automatically assume that once a piece of hardware in your hands that all you need to do is install the driver that it ships with and keep Windows updated is all you need to do, ever. Case in point, I had a friend a few years ago asking me why that all of a sudden their supposedly top of the line system was acting very sluggish. Found out that most of their firmware needed updating, bios was sorely in need of updating (several major security and microcode updates), and all of there drivers were several major revisions out. Once it got updated and other general maintenance tips were done (drives trimmed/optimized, etc), their system was actually faster and performed better than before.

It wouldn't surprise me at all to find some people who haven't checked their bios/firmware that could be hit potentially by something like this.

This doesn't explain why someone like JayZ2Cents would get his by this, as I would expect him to stay on top of things like this, but with all the hardware I know someone like he has, that it's almost impossible to be on top of all the firmware/bios updates for everything.

RJARRRPCGP · Sep 7, 2025

Unfortunately, there are SSDs that are just faulty, where I got one that suddenly caused boot to be slow like an old 5K RPM HDD.
It was actually degradation, as bad blocks were reported by its SMART, TMK.

garlin · Sep 7, 2025

But wait, there's more:
Windows 11 24H2: Silent fix for (Japanese) SSD problems? | Born's Tech and Windows World

gunrunnerjohn · Sep 7, 2025

garlin said:
But wait, there's more:
Windows 11 24H2: Silent fix for (Japanese) SSD problems? | Born's Tech and Windows World

They say that patch was released on the 29th, so I must be in a time warp!

I installed KB5063878 on Aug 12th.

Then KB5064081 came along three days later on the 15th!

Could this explain why my tests didn't run up any issues with a test of a total of eight different SSD drives, NVMe, SATA, and USB models.

garlin · Sep 7, 2025

You have a different KB5064081. The currently listed version of KB5064081 is 26100.5074 (released Aug. 29)
August 29, 2025—KB5064081 (OS Build 26100.5074) Preview - Microsoft Support

Aug. 15 is the Friday of Patch Tuesday's week. The Preview is normally released no sooner than the 4th Tuesday of the month (offset by two weeks in a staggered schedule). So it's not the same update despite the KB number.

gunrunnerjohn · Sep 7, 2025

garlin said:
You have a different KB5064081. The currently listed version of KB5064081 is 26100.5074 (released Aug. 29)
August 29, 2025—KB5064081 (OS Build 26100.5074) Preview - Microsoft Support

Aug. 15 is the Friday of Patch Tuesday's week. The Preview is normally released no sooner than the 4th Tuesday of the month (offset by two weeks in a staggered schedule). So it's not the same update despite the KB number.

Boy, that's a recipe for confusion, have multiple patches with the same number!

I wonder if anyone at Microsoft has any idea what is going on?

RJARRRPCGP · Sep 7, 2025

I've seen this happen before for other update types, IIRC. (same KB)

Hazel123 · Sep 9, 2025

Apparently a reason has been found "preview engineering firmware was the involved behind the cause of the drive failures.". Any drives with preview engineering firmware were affected by the update, according to this. Retail ssd's with standard firmware are supposed to be ok and apparently that's why it couldn't be reproduced when testing.

Phison confirms potential real reason for "Windows 11 SSD killing and corruption" bug

It looks like the actual cause of the SSD failure issues that were blamed on Microsoft's Windows 11 24H2 has been confirmed by Phison.

www.neowin.net

gunrunnerjohn · Sep 9, 2025

I know I haven't seen it here either with my large file testing or normal operations. That problem is in my rear view unless it get bit by it in the future. Life is too short to anguish about every little thing.

Zardoc · Sep 9, 2025

I just built a new system and had to transfer large files on an Asus Z270E gaming from 2 WD Sata 3, a Samsung 850 Pro SSD 2.5 in, and 2 crucial M.2 drives (P3 & T500). I haven’t seen anything go wrong apart how I had forgotten how slow Sata 3 is :eyeroll:

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TairikuOkami · Sep 9, 2025

Hazel123 said:
Apparently a reason has been found "preview engineering firmware was the involved behind the cause of the drive failures."

A nice excuse. People do not even update BIOS, let alone firmware or an engineering firmware, which is almost impossible to get.
I check for my disk's firmware like every week, it never got any, in a year. I doubt that people affected by this issue ever did this.

Hazel123 · Sep 9, 2025

I don't even know what engineering firmware is

I know what firmware is. So retail firmware is different than what?

gunrunnerjohn · Sep 9, 2025

Hazel123 said:
I don't even know what engineering firmware is I know what firmware is. So retail firmware is different than what?

Beta firmware, not fully cooked.

DTG1 · Sep 10, 2025

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