Solved Is a new generation i5 more powerful than an old generation i7?


  • i7-11700K > i5-12600K
  • i5-11600K > i7-10700K
  • i5-10600K > i7-9700K
  • i7-8700K > i5-9600K
  • i5-8600K > i7-7700K
At a stock level yeah, realistcally though no, Not in all cases.
Gaming side is a whole different ballgame
 

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I'd say no. I have a laptop with a very old Core i5 which is much faster than any Core i3. Apples and Oranges.
 

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    Windows 11
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    HP Pavilion 14-ce3514sa
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    Core i5
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    16gb
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    Samsung 970 evo plus 2TB
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    Could be better
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    200mbps Starlink
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I agree, an i5 is a good cpu.
 

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    GSkill Trident Z RGB 32GB 3600 16-16-16-36 (F4-3600C16Q-32GTZR)
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Further up, an old i5 took 11 years to drop below a new Celeron, 1676 vs 2243, respectively. Based on that ...

... if a new Celeron was at your lowest acceptable performance level, then buy an i5 now and replace it before it is 11 years old.

Going down, if a new Pentium was at your lowest acceptable performance level then buy an i5 now and keep it for 11 years or perhaps more.

Going up, if a new i3 was at your lowest acceptable performance level, then buy an i5 now and replace it 'after x years'. Hopefully x is not the 3 years of corporate programs!

Edit: As I wrote further up, my i7 did not degrade at all in the 7 years I had it. Perhaps the degradations accelerate in the last years before EOL, just like it is in humans :scream:
 

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Endless random comparisons are rather pointless.
I totally agree. Why do people get caught up in all the numbers of the latest and greatest when they should be considering their needs.
No matter how powerful a computer is at full load, a normal Joe Blow user's computing habits will never require that kind of power. Joe Blow gets caught up in all the hype of the higher core processors and ends up buying more (and paying more) that what his needs require.

Most Joe Blows have tunnel vision when it comes to CPUs. They live and die with Intel because Intel Core is ingrained in their brain. They think if it's not Intel, it's a shoddy product. My advice to all the Joe Blows who come to me for advice is always the same. Forget the name on the sticker and buy a main-stream i5 or comparable Ryzen and concentrate more on the amount of ram and type/size of the drive.

We're all suckers when it comes to MORE. And Yes, I'm one of those suckers. The only difference in me and Joe Blow, is I knew I was buying more than I needed, but did it anyway. Why? For no other reason than it was a sheer impulse buy when I caught a scratch and dent. I've regretted it ever since because I need less. However, it makes a pretty desk ornament with its flashy Intel sticker on the front.
 

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    i9-10900 10 core 20 threads
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    DELL 0J37VM
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    32 gb
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    Defender+MWB Premium
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    i7-4770
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    24 gb
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    256 gb Toshiba BG4 M.2 NVE SSB and 1 tb hdd
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    500w
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    MT
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    Dell factory
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    Logitech wireless
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    Logitech wired
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    still not telling
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    Defender+MWB Premium
The difference in the processor will be the number of cores, possibly the number of cache and possible differences in speed (although, the i5 is usually close to the speed of the i7).
 

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Well, in spite of the usual naysayers, this thread did produce useful aspects to consider whether to buy an i7 or i5 or i3 :):):)

I will mark this thread 'Solved' (y)
 

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At a stock level yeah, realistcally though no, Not in all cases.
Gaming side is a whole different ballgame
I don't play games. But I agree that it varies, there is no standard answer to how big is this variation, and, the biggest differences are very often to be sought in the overclock potential─aside from building a well-balanced system of course.
 

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    i7 13650HX
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    16GB DDR5
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    GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile
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    512GB SSD internal
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    2× Arc Flow Fans, 4× exhaust vents, 5× heatpipes
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    16GB DDR4
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I totally agree. Why do people get caught up in all the numbers of the latest and greatest when they should be considering their needs.
No matter how powerful a computer is at full load, a normal Joe Blow user's computing habits will never require that kind of power. Joe Blow gets caught up in all the hype of the higher core processors and ends up buying more (and paying more) that what his needs require.

Most Joe Blows have tunnel vision when it comes to CPUs. They live and die with Intel because Intel Core is ingrained in their brain. They think if it's not Intel, it's a shoddy product. My advice to all the Joe Blows who come to me for advice is always the same. Forget the name on the sticker and buy a main-stream i5 or comparable Ryzen and concentrate more on the amount of ram and type/size of the drive.

We're all suckers when it comes to MORE. And Yes, I'm one of those suckers. The only difference in me and Joe Blow, is I knew I was buying more than I needed, but did it anyway. Why? For no other reason than it was a sheer impulse buy when I caught a scratch and dent. I've regretted it ever since because I need less. However, it makes a pretty desk ornament with its flashy Intel sticker on the front.
The main 5 reasons why I never buy AMD are as follows:
  1. I don't play games.
  2. None of the tasks I do can benefit from having more cores, but a lot of them do benefit from having faster cores.
  3. Intel Speed Shift dynamically shifts power by up to ~50 watts above the TDP that is 28 watts in my Tiger Lake-UP3 laptop so it offers noticeably snappier performance in addition to it still being able to keep the power consumption and the resulting heat generation in check.
  4. Temporarily disabling Turbo Boost keeps the temperature down low enough for the cooling fan to stay silent, and can effortlessly be re-enabled with ThrottleStop (and no, lowering PROCFREQMAX with powercfg does NOT give the same result...).
  5. Iris Xe on Tiger Lake-UP3 is not shabby, it matters in situations when QuickSync can be used.
Another, slightly less important─as I usually tend to ignore them─reason is that I don't like people who always talk like an AMD fanboi. 😂
 

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    16GB DDR5
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    GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile
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    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
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    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
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    37TB external
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    2× Arc Flow Fans, 4× exhaust vents, 5× heatpipes
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    Medion S15450
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    i5 1135G7
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    16GB DDR4
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    Intel Iris Xe
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    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
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    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
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    2TB SSD internal
    37TB external
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I don't like people who always talk like an AMD fanboi
Sorry. It was not my intent to fanboi AMD at all. I've only owned one in my life and that was 10 years ago. The point I was trying to make is for a mainstream user, the brand of CPU shouldn't be the 'be all end all' when they purchase at a big box store.
 

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    i9-10900 10 core 20 threads
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    DELL 0J37VM
    Memory
    32 gb
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    none-Intel UHD Graphics 630
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    Integrated Realtek
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    Benq 27
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    2560x1440
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    1tb Solidigm m.2 +256gb ssd+512 gb usb m.2 sata
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    500w
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    Dell Premium
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    Logitech wireless
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    so slow I'm too embarrassed to tell
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    Firefox
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    Defender+MWB Premium
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    Dell Optiplex 9020
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    i7-4770
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    24 gb
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    Benq 27
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    256 gb Toshiba BG4 M.2 NVE SSB and 1 tb hdd
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    500w
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    MT
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    Dell factory
    Mouse
    Logitech wireless
    Keyboard
    Logitech wired
    Internet Speed
    still not telling
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    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender+MWB Premium
Sorry. It was not my intent to fanboi AMD at all. I've only owned one in my life and that was 10 years ago. The point I was trying to make is for a mainstream user, the brand of CPU shouldn't be the 'be all end all' when they purchase at a big box store.
I was just kidding TBH. Those who buy AMD are driving up the competition which forces down the prices so it saves me money next time when I buy Intel. :D
 

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    11 Home
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    Asus TUF Gaming (2024)
    CPU
    i7 13650HX
    Memory
    16GB DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Cooling
    2× Arc Flow Fans, 4× exhaust vents, 5× heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
  • Operating System
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Medion S15450
    CPU
    i5 1135G7
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    2TB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF

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