Is it possible to install Win 11 on a 3770k system with a motherboard with hardware tpm.


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I have a spare computer with a 3770k cpu, I am planning to get a motherboard for this processor. I saw a Z77 motherboard from Gigabyte that has a TPM header, UEFI, and secure boot. By the way, Gigabyte also offers add-on TPM for motherboards with header, and planning to get one. I know my CPU doesn't have the ftpm. My question is, will I be able to install Win 11 without using any bypass for incompatible hardware since I will be installing the add-on tpm on my motherboard? Or does Win 11 really requires both the CPU and motherboard to have TPMs? Thanks and looking for your input about this post.
 

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Hi everyone,

I have a spare computer with a 3770k cpu, I am planning to get a motherboard for this processor. I saw a Z77 motherboard from Gigabyte that has a TPM header, UEFI, and secure boot. I know my CPU doesn't have the ftpm. My question is, will I be able to install Win 11 without using any bypass for incompatible hardware since I will be installing the add-on tpm on my motherboard? Or does Win 11 really requires both the CPU and motherboard to have TPMs? Thanks and looking for your input about this post.


 

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Specific points:

Win 11 wants an Intel Generation 8 CPU or later. supported Intel CPUs The I7-3770k is Gen 3. I see it's from 2012.

The required TPM is version 2.0 or later. What is the version of the TPM module for the Gigabyte board?

The firmware TPM that is on newer motherboards is, I believe, associated with the motherboard, not the CPU.

As already posted ("Ghot"), you can install 11 on unsupported hardware. Some Microsoft people have hinted that such installations may not receive Windows updates in future, but I believe they have, so far.
 

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One easy way to get this working is to create a Virtual machine "Poodle faking" the Virtual CPU into one supported -- it must have though at least 2 cores.

Then simply back it up / take an image and restore to real hardware. Update the boot manager and let Windows update missing / basic drivers -- the first one will probably be the video driver as the initial boot will use the Microsoft basic video driver.

Long gone are the days where you actually need to PAY for software to restore to unlike / dissimilar hardware.

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Gigabyte also offers add-on TPM for motherboards

I am curious where you found that TPM module available for gigabyte lga1155 motherboards ? I have never seen them for sale.

I used to have a gigabayte z77, I still have a gigabyte B75.

ga b75m d3h motherboard with nvme disk on pciex4 lane adapter in the pcie 3.0 slot ( i5-3570s cpu )

mp510-gab75m-pcie-x4-crystaldisk.jpg

The b75 has only one pcie 3.0 slot, so if you want both graphics card and nvme disk the z77 is better suited because it has more pcie 3.0 slots.

I might still have a copy of the nvme bios for the z77 if you want it.

EDIT: I have just found the nvme bios for Z77X-D3H_rev1.0_and_rev1.1
 
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My question is, will I be able to install Win 11 without using any bypass for incompatible hardware since I will be installing the add-on tpm on my motherboard? Or does Win 11 really requires both the CPU and motherboard to have TPMs? Thanks and looking for your input about this post.
The hardware requirements aren't limited to TPM 2.0
- UEFI BIOS
- Safe boot
- At least 4G of memory
- 7th gen CPU

So the answer to your question is NO, you cant install Win 11 without using the bypass for incompatible hardware.
 

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Please be aware that the hardware requirements discussed are for installation in a supported configuration. It's actually ridiculously easy to install Windows 11 on completely unsupported hardware. I have in front of me a system that fails the requirements in all these ways but runs Windows 11 beautifully:

1) No UEFI BIOS - system is purely legacy BIOS
2) No Secure Boot
3) No TPM
4) 11 year old CPU

Of course, I decided to take that risk, knowing full well that I'm operating in a completely unsupported manner, but the point is simply that it is possible, although not guaranteed, that Win 11 may work fine on really ancient hardware.

In my case, I have quite a few unsupported systems running Win 11, not one of those systems even has a bang in Device Manager. Every single device on all of these systems is recognized by Win 11, although I admit I had to hunt down some Win 10 drivers for some of these systems :-)
 

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You could apply the image from install.wim to a partition on the target disk using dism or 7-zip or anything that can copy out the contents of the wim image . Then add a boot menu entry to the esp partition on the target disk using bcdboot .

The 3rd gen cpu isnt officially recommended by ms, adding a tpm 2 module won't change that.
 

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The hardware requirements aren't limited to TPM 2.0
- UEFI BIOS
- Safe boot
- At least 4G of memory
- 7th gen CPU

So the answer to your question is NO, you cant install Win 11 without using the bypass for incompatible hardware.

This is a bit of a nitpick, but the 7th Gen Intel CPUs on the approved list are few. I'm not sure that they are all Socket 2066, but they may be. Fairly rare for home users.

Outside of the HEDT (high-end desktop) Gen 7s, the supported CPUs begin with Gen 8.
 

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The hardware requirements aren't limited to TPM 2.0
- UEFI BIOS
- Safe boot
- At least 4G of memory
- 7th gen CPU

So the answer to your question is NO, you cant install Win 11 without using the bypass for incompatible hardware.
CPU is "Bypassable" if you install W11 as a VM. and in the VM config "Poodle fake the CPU" to something that is recognized by W11. I'm using KVM/QEMU and set the CPU in the VM config to "Hypervisor Default" . Take a macrium or other image and restore to a physical machine. If necessary also update the boot loader but probably won't be necessary. Windows will get real drivers via update after initial boot. The Video driver is probably the one that will need to be fixed first. The CPU will be just fine -- I'm using an old laptop with an i5 Gen 6 CPU -- working perfectly. You will need though a TPM module and EFI boot capability - although there could be work arounds on that too, certainly if you use vhdx files and run from an external device as per a sort of "Windows 2 Go" system.

part of my W11 config file for VM -- note this is the XML file generated by a good easy GUI for creating and running VM's.

<domain type="kvm">
<name>Windows11</name>

.......... other stuff

<currentMemory unit="KiB">4194304</currentMemory>
<vcpu placement="static">2</vcpu>
<os>
<type arch="x86_64" machine="pc-q35-6.2">hvm</type>
<loader readonly="yes" secure="yes" type="pflash">/usr/share/OVMF/OVMF_CODE_4M.secboot.fd</loader>
<nvram>/var/lib/libvirt/qemu/nvram/Windows11_VARS.fd</nvram>
<boot dev="hd"/>
<bootmenu enable="yes"/>
</os>
<features>
<acpi/>
<apic/>
<hyperv mode="custom">
<relaxed state="on"/>
<vapic state="on"/>
<spinlocks state="on" retries="8191"/>
</hyperv>
<vmport state="off"/>
<smm state="on"/>
</features>
<cpu mode="custom" match="exact" check="none"> <========================================
<model fallback="forbid">qemu64</model> <=======================================
</cpu>

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