Lessons I learned from a system with only 32GB storage


Wynona

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Hasleo has a neat program "WintoUSB". 3 versions - free, professional, and enterprise. The free version can create a "Windows to go" on a USB SSD drive. it can even clone a current install to another usb or thunderbolt drive. The free version can also clone a current running Windows to a USB Drive. The Pro version can do the same thing and also to a Thunderbolt drive.

The Hasleo "Windows to go" can be used on other computers. I believe it uses the drivers from the computer it is plugged in to. I tried making a W2G on an SSD and it is just as fast as any of my other installs on hard drives.

This program doesn't require only certain approved drives, it can be installed to any kind. This might be a solution for laptops that don't have enough storage. That is, just bypass then boot up with the W2G.
Instructions downloaded and printed.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 22621.819
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Envy TE01-1xxx
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10700 CPU @ 2.90GHz 2.90 GHz
    Motherboard
    16.0GB Dual-Channel Unknown @ 1463MHz (21-21-21-47)
    Memory
    16384 MBytes
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel UHD Graphics 630
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Monitor 1 - Acer 27" Monitor 2 - Acer 27"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    WDC PC SN530 SDBPNPZ-512G-1006 (SSD)
    Seagate ST1000DM003-1SB102
    Seagate BUP Slim SCSI Disk Device (SSD)
    PSU
    HP
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    HP
    Cooling
    Standard
    Keyboard
    Logitech Wave K350
    Mouse
    Logitech M705
    Internet Speed
    100 mbps
    Browser
    Firefox
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    Windows Defender
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    That's all Folks!
  • Operating System
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP
    CPU
    Intel Core i7 (10th gen) 10700
    Motherboard
    Intel
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel UHD Graphics 630
    Sound Card
    Built-in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer 27" & Samsung 24"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x
    Hard Drives
    SSD (512 GB)
    HDD (1 TB)
    Seagate
    PSU
    Intel i7 10th Generation
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    HP
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    HP/Intel?
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    Logitech M705
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    Logitech Wave K350
    Internet Speed
    50 mbps
    Browser
    Firefox 90.2
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    Windows Defender
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    SuperSpeed USB Type-A (4 on front)
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TairikuOkami

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I have some questions, I want to buy laptop with similar specs.

1. How fast is eMMC compared to HDD? My current Lenovo IdeaPad Z50-75 is way more powerfull, but HDD drags it down. It is too powerfull for it's own good, it takes too much power and is loud as hell, so replacing HDD with SSD would not be much help.

2. It has Windows 10 Pro upgradable to 11, but I read that you need to load a driver during a clean install? I want to create a separate partition for system backup. It has 128GB, so I guess the minimum is 52GB and leave the rest to rest.
 

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    Windows 11 Home
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 5 3600 (07/19)
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    MSI B450 TOMAHAWK 7C02v1E (07/19)
    Memory
    4x 8GB ADATA XPG GAMMIX D10 DDR4 3200MHz CL16
    Graphics Card(s)
    MSI Radeon RX 580 ARMOR 8G OC @48FPS (08/19)
    Sound Card
    Creative Sound Blaster Z (11/16)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    24" AOC G2460VQ6 (01/19)
    Screen Resolution
    1920×1080@75Hz + FreeSync (DisplayPort)
    Hard Drives
    ADATA XPG GAMMIX S11 Pro SSD 512GB (07/19)
    PSU
    Seasonic M12II-520 80 Plus Bronze (11/16)
    Case
    Lian Li PC-7NB + 3x Noctua NF-S12A FLX@700rpm (11/16)
    Cooling
    CPU Cooler Noctua NH-U12S@700rpm
    Keyboard
    HP Wired Desktop 320K Keyboard (04/22)
    Mouse
    HP Wireless Silent 280M Mouse (05/21)
    Internet Speed
    400/40 Mbps via RouterOS (05/21) + TCP Optimizer
    Browser
    Edge with Neeva (No FB/Google) + Brave for YouTube + LibreWolf for FB
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    Panda Free + Binisoft WFC + NextDNS
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    Headphones: Sennheiser RS170 (09/10)

Bree

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I have some questions, I want to buy laptop with similar specs.

1. How fast is eMMC compared to HDD?
I would avoid anything with eMMC, it's soldered direct to the motherboard and cannot be upgraded. 128GB is the largest available, also it is slower than a propper SSD.
There’s nothing wrong with eMMC—in theory. Your digital camera probably doesn’t need a full SSD with its increased size, complexity, and price. However, when you’re buying a laptop or tablet, the limitations of eMMC become more apparent. As with SD cards, not all eMMC storage is created equal—some eMMC storage is slower than others. However, all eMMC storage will be slower than a proper SSD.

My current Lenovo IdeaPad Z50-75 is way more powerfull, but HDD drags it down. It is too powerfull for it's own good, it takes too much power and is loud as hell, so replacing HDD with SSD would not be much help.
Your HDD would take a 2.5" SATA SSD as a direct replacement. SSD's, even the SATA ones, are faster and would be a big help.

A typical platter-based single hard drive won't exceed read and write speeds of 250MB per second, whereas a basic SATA-bus SSD will routinely peak at transfer rates twice that.
 

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    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
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    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 Insider Beta as a native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 128GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
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    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    i5 M 520
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    4GB
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB HDD
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    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 Insider Beta as a native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 128GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

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My ASUS Transformer T100TA has only 32GB of storage but I added a 32GB SDHC card and use Funduc's 'Application Mover' to move some apps to the SD card.
I know this card will eventually fail but then I can install a new one and do a restore. It seems like magic to me, even Application Mover itself now resides on the SD card (apart from its registry entries)!
 

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    Pentium Silver N6000
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TairikuOkami

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1. How fast is eMMC compared to HDD?
2. It has Windows 10 Pro upgradable to 11, but I read that you need to load a driver during a clean install?
OK, to answer my own questions, for the future reference.

1. It is super fast, laptop with dual core Celeron 1,1GHz is even faster than my PC with 6-core 3,6GHz and NVMe. :boom:
2. I registered MSA, just to be sure, but Pro licence is in BIOS, so clean install with a backup partition was no problem.
 

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    AMD Ryzen 5 3600 (07/19)
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    MSI B450 TOMAHAWK 7C02v1E (07/19)
    Memory
    4x 8GB ADATA XPG GAMMIX D10 DDR4 3200MHz CL16
    Graphics Card(s)
    MSI Radeon RX 580 ARMOR 8G OC @48FPS (08/19)
    Sound Card
    Creative Sound Blaster Z (11/16)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    24" AOC G2460VQ6 (01/19)
    Screen Resolution
    1920×1080@75Hz + FreeSync (DisplayPort)
    Hard Drives
    ADATA XPG GAMMIX S11 Pro SSD 512GB (07/19)
    PSU
    Seasonic M12II-520 80 Plus Bronze (11/16)
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    Lian Li PC-7NB + 3x Noctua NF-S12A FLX@700rpm (11/16)
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    CPU Cooler Noctua NH-U12S@700rpm
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    HP Wired Desktop 320K Keyboard (04/22)
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    400/40 Mbps via RouterOS (05/21) + TCP Optimizer
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OK, to answer my own questions, for the future reference.

1. It is super fast, laptop with dual core Celeron 1,1GHz is even faster than my PC with 6-core 3,6GHz and NVMe. :boom:
2. I registered MSA, just to be sure, but Pro licence is in BIOS, so clean install with a backup partition was no problem.
I don't know how you arrived at the conclusion that eMMC is faster than a system with NVMe. In real life, eMMC storage is drastically slower than even the slowest of NVMe drives, unless there is something very wrong on the system with NVMe.

I happen to be in a unique position to really do a good comparison because I have a system that has both eMMC and an NVMe in the very same system, so if I run benchmarks it will be on the very same system, giving us a real apples to apples comparison.

I already have a number of tasks to get to today that I have promised others but I will get you those benchmarks later on (possibly this evening).
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 22H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Home Built
    CPU
    Intel i7-11700K
    Motherboard
    ASUS Prime Z590-A
    Memory
    128GB Crucial Ballistix 3200MHz DRAM
    Graphics Card(s)
    No GPU - CPU graphics only (for now)
    Sound Card
    Realtek (on motherboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    HP Envy 32
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1440
    Hard Drives
    1 x 1TB NVMe Gen 4 x 4 SSD
    1 x 2TB NVMe Gen 3 x 4 SSD
    2 x 512GB 2.5" SSDs
    2 x 8TB HD
    PSU
    Corsair HX850i
    Case
    Corsair iCue 5000X RGB
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black cooler + 10 case fans
    Keyboard
    CODE backlit mechanical keyboard
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    Logitech MX Master 3
    Internet Speed
    1Gb Up / 1 Gb Down
    Browser
    Chromium Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
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    Additional options installed:
    WiFi 6E PCIe adapter
    ASUS ThunderboltEX 4 PCIe adapter
  • Operating System
    Dual Boot Windows 11 Pro 22H2 and Windows 10 Pro 22H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Spectre x360 15-BL012DX
    CPU
    Intel i7-7500U
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Dual Intel HD 620 and Nvidia GeForce 940MX
    Sound Card
    Built-in Realtek HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    4k 15-inch
    Screen Resolution
    4k (3840 x 2160)
    Hard Drives
    1TB Seagate FireCuda 510 NVMe SSD
    Internet Speed
    1Gb Up / 1Gb Down
    Browser
    Chromium Edge
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    Windows Defender
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    RAM Upgraded from 16GB to 32GB WiFi Upgraded from WiFi 5 to WiFi 6 SSD upgraded from 512GB NVMe SSD to 1TB Seagate FireCuda 510 NVMe SSD

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eMMC storage is mostly found in phones, as well as some of the best cheap laptops. The "embedded" part of the name comes from the fact that the storage is usually soldered directly onto the device's motherboard. eMMC storage consists of NAND flash memory — the same stuff you'll find in USB thumb drives, SD cards, and solid-state drives (SSD) — which doesn't require power to retain data.

How fast is eMMC storage?


Speed difference between 64GB eMMC and 128GB SSD in the Surface Go.

The current standard for eMMC storage is v5.1A, which can effectively deliver transfer speeds of up to about 400MB/s. That's not necessarily slow, and SATA SSDs will top out around the same.

eMMC vs. SSD storage: What's the difference?
 

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    Windows 11 Home
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    Laptop
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    ASUS TUF Gaming A15 (2022)
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 6800H with Radeon 680M GPU (486MB RAM)
    Memory
    Micron DDR5-4800 (2400MHz) 16GB (2 x 8GB)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA RTX 3060 Laptop (6GB RAM)
    Sound Card
    n/a
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15.6-inch
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080 300Hz
    Hard Drives
    Intel 670P (512GB M.2 NVME SSD) | Samsung 960 Evo (500GB M.2 NVME SSD)
    PSU
    n/a
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    Wireless Mouse M510
    Internet Speed
    1200Mbps/35Mbps
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    Firefox
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    Malwarebytes

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