Microsoft's reasoning on CPU compatibility.


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Hello to all,
I have a question on the reasons why Microsoft has chosen the CPU cutoff's for compatibility on the Windows 11 installation. I understand the TMP and Secure Boot reasons (I have them both on my i5 CORE 7200U Kaby Lake-U/Y 14mm Technology) but I do not understand their reasons for this part of the cutoff point.
Is this a security reason? Speed? What does the "Generation" part have to do with it?
I have been running Win 11 on my HP ENVY for months now with absolutely nothing visual nor operational wise problems at all. Runs like a champ and a lot better and faster than Win 10 ever did.
I must be at the cutoff point with this early/mid 2017 laptop. Just barely a month or two, that's why I have Secure Boot and TMP on at the BIOS. Always was from the beginning when I bought it.
I am trying to broaden my knowledge on this point and just wondering if anyone could help me with my understanding on them subject.
I can't believe this machine has no problems at all with this CPU, or, at least, I nether find nor notice anything.

Thanks in advance for any help.
 

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I am trying to broaden my knowledge on this point and just wondering if anyone could help me with my understanding on them subject.

but I do not understand their reasons for this part of the cutoff point.
Is this a security reason? Speed? What does the "Generation" part have to do with it?
Basically, it is to do with support for the new CPU Driver Model . The advantage of the new model is a greater crash-free experience. If they allowed earlier CPU generations, they could not quote higher reliability in their brochures, etc.
 

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I run Windows 11 on my unsupported Intel Core-i7 3770 (see 2nd PC specs) without UEFI, without TPM, without Secure Boot. I have seen no issues so far except minor incompatibilities in old applications that are solved by disabling fullscreen optimization. I believe the strict Windows 11 requirements try to force us upgrade our computers or buy new. The average user doesn't need too high security in his computer, these are excuses to hide the truth
 

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My thoughts about it are that as more security features are added the older systems might not be able to run Windows 11. Just because the older devices can run the present versions of Win 11 doesn't mean they will always be able to run Win 11. I'm not going to go into the fact that with the arrival of Win 11, MS also came out with new devices that are geared to use all the new features of Win 11.
 

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I run Windows 11 on my intel i5-3600 and have not had one single hiccup.
Part of it may be security but as Winuser said, the average user doesn't need that kind of security, besides one can run Windows 10 with secure boot and tpm and achieve the same exact results. The CPU exploits they are worried about are pretty much non existent.

My reasoning is that Windows 11 is nothing more than Windows 10X , you see, there was not a whole lot of support for 10X when it was in development so MS cancelled the project BUT instead of taking a hit on the time and money invested in 10X they renamed it Windows 11 and vualla! MS couldn't release it fast enough.

To me , it's more about marketing than security, like I said you can achieve the same security with Windows 10 which I have been toying with the idea of going back to , Windows 11 may have it's perks but Windows 10 is more customizable , I like running third party themes and MS has made it virtually impossible to do it on 11.

I have always believed there is no such thing as true security when it comes to technology, I am absolutely sure Windows 11 has a plethora of holes that just have not been exploited yet, time will tell , 11 is still in it's infancy.
For years when Mac users boasted they were immune to viruses and the likes, I told them nothing is secure, there just wasn't enough of them for anyone to take notice and they laughed , and what do you see these days? we are even finding that Linux systems are not as secure as they boast also. Most Linux distro's are open source, open source can be good but if you think about it it could become a nightmare also.

You see, It all boils down to this ........
If there is something on your system that someone wants bad enough , there will always be a way around getting to it, it all just depends who wants it and how bad do they want it. Short of removing your hard drive or SSD whenever your pc is not in use and locking it in a vault, pc security is just an illusion. Sure your bitlocker encrypted system may be uncrackable today but what about tomorrow? or 6 months or a year from now as computing processing becomes more and more powerful?
Don't store anything you cannot afford to lose on your pc , like vital information (banking, social security and drivers license numbers just to name a few) , don't download links you don't know where they came from or trust and stay out of the seedy places on the web and you will be fine .... no matter what OS you run. I know people that are STILL running Windows Vista and XP on the web and don't have any trouble at all, the boogeymen are not waiting for you just past your router, although MS would like you to think they are.
 
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It must be to do with the evolving instruction sets built into sucessive generations of processors. This is way above my understanding, but there are many links for the more knowledgable to explore.

 

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@Dark Knight, I was told years ago that the only reason that Linux and Macs were not being infected was because of the smaller number of users. Hackers didn't want to waste their time on them when Windows offered a bigger target.
 

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@Dark Knight, I was told years ago that the only reason that Linux and Macs were not being infected was because of the smaller number of users. Hackers didn't want to waste their time on them when Windows offered a bigger target.
Exactly, as Macs became more prevalent they are now vulnerable to most things Windows users are, the same is starting to happen with Linux now also.

As long as humans write the code for operating systems there will always be flaws and holes ..... no doubt about it.
 

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@Dark Knight, I was told years ago that the only reason that Linux and Macs were not being infected was because of the smaller number of users. Hackers didn't want to waste their time on them when Windows offered a bigger target.
When I try out different types of Linux, I always find that there is a much greater attention to security than with Windows.
I did try a thread on either the W10 or 11 forum some time back to try and find out what exactly had been added to Intel and AMD processors to qualify for W11, but got no meaningful answers.
 

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I was told security and driver issue. I have always maintained that these checks are there for a reason. One of my machines does not meet the cpu requirement so it's staying on win 10. seems common sense to me.
 

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I was told security and driver issue. I have always maintained that these checks are there for a reason. One of my machines does not meet the cpu requirement so it's staying on win 10. seems common sense to me.
But not necessarily performance. My core isolation is on "On" Windows Defender which use virtualization-based security. "Memory Integrity: Prevents attacks from inserting malicious code into high security processes". With this on, as I just double checked, I should be pretty secure.
And, this also tells me drivers are all compatible.
 

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But how long will it last before MS says no to non compliant machines. I don't see what the rush is to get 11, apart from a few cosmetic changes there is no difference for day to day tasks.
 

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We just like the new look of Windows 11 and we want to familiarise ourselves with the new features. If sometime in the far future our computers cannot upgrade to the latest build, there should be some workaround. By then we might have replaced them. I keep my old Windows 10 SSD just in case I need to return to Windows 10, so I won't have to start with a fresh install.
 

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We just like the new look of Windows 11 and we want to familiarise ourselves with the new features. If sometime in the far future our computers cannot upgrade to the latest build, there should be some workaround. By then we might have replaced them. I keep my old Windows 10 SSD just in case I need to return to Windows 10, so I won't have to start with a fresh install.
I tried my old one on 11 and it ran slower than slow that is why it's back on 10 both my others are on 11 to stay
 

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I tried my old one on 11 and it ran slower than slow that is why it's back on 10 both my others are on 11 to stay
Mine's not that old. It's a borderline case and it runs better and faster than 10. If the CPU isn't within requirements and running like it is, I really don't care at this point. I'm not going back to 10 and a slower PC. Only if I see problems in the future. Using it for 6 months now so why go back?
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP ENVY
    CPU
    i5 Core 7200U@2.50GHz
    Motherboard
    HP 81AD (U3E1)
    Memory
    12GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Generic PnP Monitor (1920x1080@60Hz) Intel HD Graphics 620 (HP)
    Sound Card
    Conexant ISST audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Generic PnP Monitor
    Screen Resolution
    1536x864 pixels
    Hard Drives
    HGST HTS721010A9E630
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender and Malwarebytes

spapakons

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Athens
OS
Windows 11 Pro 21H2 64-bit (build 22000.856)
Have you installed all drivers, especially the latest graphics drivers? If you just left what Windows Update found automatically, that explains why you have lower performance than Windows 10. Update all drivers, including the graphics and you should see great difference. Also search for Core Isolation and make sure the setting is off. Enabling this setting halves performance. This setting is disabled by default in Windows 10, so upgrading from 10 to 11 you are not affected, but is enabled by default in Windows 11, so in a clean installation it is on. Switch it off to improve performance. Also AMD Ryzen are known to have performance issues in Windows 11. Update to the latest AMD drivers and latest Windows updates fixes that.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 21H2 64-bit (build 22000.856)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v21H2 (build 22000.856)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    Gainward NE5105T018G1-1070F (nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Patriot Burst Elite 480GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Stock Intel CPU Fan, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4

Bree

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Windows 11 Home
I tried my old one on 11 and it ran slower than slow that is why it's back on 10 both my others are on 11 to stay
That does seem to be an exception to the norm. My unsupported System Two with its 1st gen i5 runs 11 as well as, if not better than it ran 10.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB HDD
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October.


    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    i5 M 520
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    4GB
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB HDD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround.


    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

mecanicogolf

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55
Location
Seattle
OS
Windows 11
Have you installed all drivers, especially the latest graphics drivers? If you just left what Windows Update found automatically, that explains why you have lower performance than Windows 10. Update all drivers, including the graphics and you should see great difference. Also search for Core Isolation and make sure the setting is off. Enabling this setting halves performance. This setting is disabled by default in Windows 10, so upgrading from 10 to 11 you are not affected, but is enabled by default in Windows 11, so in a clean installation it is on. Switch it off to improve performance. Also AMD Ryzen are known to have performance issues in Windows 11. Update to the latest AMD drivers and latest Windows updates fixes that.
No. I said my Win 11 runs better than 10. I have the latest graphics driver and all other drivers. I will, though, unable Core Isolation. Always thought this was higher security and didn't have anything to do with performance. Learn something every day.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP ENVY
    CPU
    i5 Core 7200U@2.50GHz
    Motherboard
    HP 81AD (U3E1)
    Memory
    12GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Generic PnP Monitor (1920x1080@60Hz) Intel HD Graphics 620 (HP)
    Sound Card
    Conexant ISST audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Generic PnP Monitor
    Screen Resolution
    1536x864 pixels
    Hard Drives
    HGST HTS721010A9E630
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender and Malwarebytes

wordsworth

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147
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Windows 11 Pro
I just found this:

In reference to the article you posted, I noticed some time ago a difference between my compliant and non-compliant machines running Win 11. If you go into System Information the following is what you'll see under Virtualization based security:

Virtualization.pngVirtualization2.png
The top image is from the 10th Gen Processor, the bottom image from the 6th Gen processor where Mode Based Execution Control is emulated rather than done in hardware. According to Microsoft this is one reason the 6th Gen may be less stable. I've not experienced any difference between the machines.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Wordsworth 10000
    CPU
    Core i7 10700K 3.8 GHz
    Motherboard
    Asus ROG Strix Z590-A Gaming Wifi
    Memory
    Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 32GB 3200MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Asus Radeon RX480 Strix 8GB
    Sound Card
    Asus Xonar DSX
    Monitor(s) Displays
    HP 2709m
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 980 Pro M.2 SSD 500GB; Samsung 980 M.2 SSD 1TB
    PSU
    Thermaltake Toughpower Grand Platinum 850W
    Case
    Fractal Design Meshify 2
    Cooling
    CPU-Noctua NH D15 Chromax, GPU-Stock, Case-Noctua Chromax 3x140
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Natural Ergo 4000
    Mouse
    HP X500
    Internet Speed
    Cable
    Browser
    Vivaldi, MS Edge
    Antivirus
    Malwarebytes 4.4.3, Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Klipsch Promedia 5.1 THX
    Asus External Blu-Ray 16D1X-USB 3.0
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Wordsworth 6000
    CPU
    Core i7 6700K 4.0 GHz
    Motherboard
    Asus Z170 Pro
    Memory
    Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 32GB 3000MHz
    Graphics card(s)
    Asus GeForce GTX 1050 Ti
    Sound Card
    Asus Xonar SE
    Monitor(s) Displays
    HP X24ih
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Intel 760p M.2 SSD 500GB; Intel 540 SSD 480GB; Intel 335 SSD 240GB
    PSU
    Thermaltake Toughpower GF1 750W
    Case
    Lian Li PC-B70
    Cooling
    CPU- Noctua NH-D15; GPU-Stock; Case-Noctua Chromax 2x140, 2x120
    Mouse
    Microsoft Wireless Comfort 5050
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Wireless Comfort 5050
    Internet Speed
    Cable
    Browser
    Vivaldi, MS Edge
    Antivirus
    Malwarebytes 4.4.3, Windows Defender
    Other Info
    HP bd 340
    HP bd 240
    Denon DRA-800H
    Klipsch RP-600M
    Klipsch R-100SW (2)
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