Solved No more 23H2?..........

I did what you said, then I tried to install Windows 11 and I got the message about Secure Boot again. I have created and I have run bypass.reg file. I also made sure to reboot before trying to install. No luck. This is how my day has been...

Hmmm, odd. I'll have to do some experimentation. I won't have a chance to do that until way later this evening.

hsehestedt said:

Hmmm, odd. I'll have to do some experimentation. I won't have a chance to do that until way later this evening.

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Take your time, I still have plenty of that left as far as I know......

Well, it looks like I may have outdated information.

@rdburke, apologies for leading you astray, but we'll get this figured out.

Typically I perform clean installs and not upgrades. So, it has been a long while since I tested the upgrade install methods although I thought that I had tested this.

I tried it a few minutes ago and it did not work for.

So, where do we go from here.

Option 1: I'm hoping that someone can show me the error of my ways and tell us the proper way to perform an upgrade installation on a system that does not meet requirements.

Option 2: In the meantime, I'll research further to see figure out the correct way to proceed.

My test scenario:

Installed Win 11 23H2 to a VM using legacy BIOS and no TPM. Legacy BIOS never has secure boot which is why I went this way. Tried to install 24H2 26100.1150 as an upgrade and was informed that I could not do so because the system does not support secure boot and has no TPM 2.0.

After applying the registry updates it still flagged lack of secure boot and TPM.

I'll update you when I have more, unless someone else can definitively tell us what we are missing.

hsehestedt said:

So, where do we go from here.

Option 1: I'm hoping that someone can show me the error of my ways and tell us the proper way to perform an upgrade installation on a system that does not meet requirements.

Option 2: In the meantime, I'll research further to see figure out the correct way to proceed.

My test scenario:

Installed Win 11 23H2 to a VM using legacy BIOS and no TPM. Legacy BIOS never has secure boot which is why I went this way. Tried to install 24H2 26100.1150 as an upgrade and was informed that I could not do so because the system does not support secure boot and has no TPM 2.0.

After applying the registry updates it still flagged lack of secure boot and TPM.

I'll update you when I have more, unless someone else can definitively tell us what we are missing.

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So far I have found only one way to do a successful in-place upgrade to 24H2 on an unsupported device, a 'hybrid install' method.

Bree said:

So far the only way I have found to do an in-place upgrade to 24H2 on an unsupported device is to take a 23H2 install usb, delete the install.esd (or install.wim) from the sources folder, then replace it with the one from the 24H2 install media. To do that I had to split the 24H2 install.wim as it was larger than the Fat32 4GB file size limit.

DISM - Split install.wim file

How to split a custom install.wim file

www.tenforums.com

Then using the normal workarounds I could use this hybrid usb to do the in-place upgrade from 23H2 to 24H2.

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I can't upgrade to Windows 11 24H2 - post#2

Just to be sure everything is installed correctly, with the Skip_TPM_Check_on_Dynamic_Update.cmd script installed I can then do an in-place repair through System > Recovery > Fix problems using Windows Update.

To be fair - AMD FX 8350 is almost 12 Years Old (Windows 7 - > 8 Era), which - for a commercial product like Windows is a long time (longer than Microsoft would intend to offer support). We already entered the A.I. era (mainly GPU driven - but CPU too has its place "to avoid bottleneck").

Is there something specific - that works better for you on Windows (not a Gamer i presume - based on system specs)? Cause you've reached a point/place - where you might actually enjoy some Linux distribution - more than Windows, especially on that system - which many many support it to its fullest and that support won't go away any time soon (you might be getting at least 5 years of updates - if not 10 or more). If anything - it's not Linux which would deem your system as EOL (or to outdated) - but the upcoming Web requirements - which could change in the upcoming year (as it already happened in the past - time after time: just think of Netscape and its system requirements - vs Windows XP era). Linux might still offer support even that - to be able to use that system an offline office or media-player device.

Just a thought.

neves said:

To be fair - AMD FX 8350 is almost 12 Years Old (Windows 7 - > 8 Era), which - for a commercial product like Windows is a long time (longer than Microsoft would intend to offer support). We already entered the A.I. era (mainly GPU driven - but CPU too has its place "to avoid bottleneck").

Is there something specific - that works better for you on Windows (not a Gamer i presume - based on system specs)? Cause you've reached a point/place - where you might actually enjoy some Linux distribution - more than Windows, especially on that system - which many many support it to its fullest and that support won't go away any time soon (you might be getting at least 5 years of updates - if not 10 or more). If anything - it's not Linux which would deem your system as EOL (or to outdated) - but the upcoming Web requirements - which could change in the upcoming year (as it already happened in the past - time after time: just think of Netscape and its system requirements - vs Windows XP era). Linux might still offer support even that - to be able to use that system an offline office or media-player device.

Just a thought.

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Might be easier, for non-technical user, to buy used, more recent machine.

Dell Precision 5820, is Windows 11 Supported, most have Windows 10 COA in bios, very upgrade-able, and can be had very cheaply.
I have quite a few Dell 5810s, as they can be "persuaded" to run Win11, just using Rufus created USB.

Skip TPM_Check should be permanently installed on your PC.

If you're going to upgrade Windows 11 via iso. it will bypass installer checks and allow you to install it on an unsupported PC.

Windows Update cumulative build updates aren't affected by installer checks.

Silvio said:

Might be easier, for non-technical user, to buy used, more recent machine.

Dell Precision 5820, is Windows 11 Supported, most have Windows 10 COA in bios, very upgrade-able, and can be had very cheaply.
I have quite a few Dell 5810s, as they can be "persuaded" to run Win11, just using Rufus created USB.

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He was using Windows Insider - which at times is more like Alpha Testing new features or updates. Thus, using Windows Insider - is expected of you to have some technical understanding - to be able to deal with Windows related issues on your own - if something goes bad. This technical understanding on its own - is more than enough to be able to handle the installation and usage of 95% of all Linux Distributions.

Seriously, in 2024 one would have to be so inexperienced (such a basic level of using a PC) - that pressing the power button and clicking on Icons - while still struggling to shut it down properly (using the power button instead) - is as far as one can go.... And even such user could handle some Linux Distributions (if already installed - but same goes for Windows). Tho, if you read the OP's posts (from this topic alone) - you can clearly notice - that he's not at that level - so he should be able to install and handle - even Linux distributions which require a higher understanding like: how to use Google - and Copy Paste some Commands in Terminal (complete Windows Beginners/Newbs call this Hacking - not even aware that Windows has a CMD/Run/Terminal/PowerShell - as well).

Also, if you read the original post:

"I'm done as an Insider unless I buy a compatible computer, which I have no plans in doing...."

Maybe his PC requirments are completly fufiled by his curent system. If anything he's practical and not wastefull (trowing a good system away - just for the sake of trying the upcoming Windows builds - which might bring nothing new to table - nothing he cares about anyway). Don't really get - where the "non-techincal" label is coming from - based on what evidence?

Bree said:

So far I have found only one way to do a successful in-place upgrade to 24H2 on an unsupported device, a 'hybrid install' method.

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Thanks, Bree. It helps a lot to know it's not just me. Back to my clean installs I guess.

But I did see one clever idea in among all the research...

Take the drive out of a system that doesn't meet Win 11 requirements and move it to a system that does. Then perform the upgrade on that machine, and finally move the drive back to the original system.

It's a serious pain in the neck but I guess it should work.

rdburke said:

Take your time, I still have plenty of that left as far as I know......

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Thanks for being patient. Well, maybe some bad news for now. I was not able to get it working myself and the responses I've gotten are that the state of affairs on in-place upgrades is not really good at the moment for systems that don't meet Win 11 requirements. My apologies for that. I wasn't aware of the fact that some things that had previously worked are currently no longer working.

But I want to check one more thing. I know that you posted your system details so let me take a look to see if that system should support secure boot since that seems to be the only hinderance at this point.

I'll report back shortly.

Okay, it appears that this motherboard simply does not have secure boot support so the only way to upgrade for now would be to employ some workaround.

Take a look at post #25 in this thread. Bree presented a really clever idea there that should work.

Wish I had better news!

hsehestedt said:

Okay, it appears that this motherboard simply does not have secure boot support so the only way to upgrade for now would be to employ some workaround.

Take a look at post #25 in this thread. Bree presented a really clever idea there that should work.

Wish I had better news!

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I really appreciate all the effort everyone has put into helping me find a workaround albeit effort that seems to have been futile....I guess when I get a few extra dollars to throw at it I will upgrade to a mobo that will have the specs I need to keep going. I can it seems keep getting 23H2 Insider Updates from the Release Preview Channel if I understand it correctly. Once again, thanks for all the help! Marking it Solved for now.

rdburke said:

I really appreciate all the effort everyone has put into helping me find a workaround albeit effort that seems to have been futile....I guess when I get a few extra dollars to throw at it I will upgrade to a mobo that will have the specs I need to keep going. I can it seems keep getting 23H2 Insider Updates from the Release Preview Channel if I understand it correctly. Once again, thanks for all the help! Marking it Solved for now.

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It's possible that this may still change once the final release is put forward. Let's revisit this then if you still have this same MOBO.

One other note: You may well be aware of this already, just wanted to point out that the workarounds for doing a clean install still work. So, if you didn't mind reinstalling your programs and getting things setup how you like them again, that is always a possible way to address this. But I certainly appreciate what a pain all that is. If you ever decide to go that route, my suggestion would be to do it this way (we can guide you through these steps as well):

1) Make a disk backup of your current configuration just in case you need to go back to it.
2) Make a backup copy of your Windows drivers (requires only one command to do).
3) Perform the clean install of Windows
4) Restore your drivers.

Sounds like a plan.....Thanks for all the help and info!!