Reminder: Changes to Windows Boot Manager revocations for Secure Boot effective April 9, 2024


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 Windows Message Center:

Windows updates released July 11, 2023 and later include security measures which protect against a Secure Boot bypass vulnerability disclosed in CVE-2023-24932. Secure Boot is a Windows security feature designed to protect devices from bootkit malware.

Administrators should observe mitigations and security enforcement requirements coming into effect with Windows updates released on and after April 9, 2024. These updates will provide new mitigations to block additional vulnerable boot managers. Windows updates released on and after October 8, 2024 will enforce the Code Integrity Boot policy and Secure Boot disallow list revocations related to this hardening. There will be no option to disable this enforcement after this update.

To enable protections manually, it's necessary to ensure all devices and bootable media are updated and ready for this security hardening change. Users should determine whether it's important to enable protections now, or wait for a future update from Microsoft. To better assess this, in addition to understanding the options available for configuring these security requirements, see KB5025885: How to manage the Windows Boot Manager revocations for Secure Boot changes associated with CVE-2023-24932.


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KB5025885: How to manage the Windows Boot Manager revocations for Secure Boot changes associated with CVE-2023-24932 - Microsoft Support

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Hi,
What
So no secure boot = no booting into win-11 because the update make it mandatory on efi partition ?
Or just hide the silly update ?
 

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This smells terrible
So MS wants to own all our ssd's without purchasing them ?
CAUTION Once the mitigation for this issue is enabled on a device, meaning the revocations have been applied, it cannot be reverted if you continue to use Secure Boot on that device. Even reformatting of the disk will not remove the revocations if they have already been applied. Please be aware of all the possible implications and test thoroughly before applying the revocations that are outlined in this article to your device.
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    10900k & 9940x & 5930k
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    z490-Apex & x299-Apex & x99-Sabertooth
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    Trident-Z Royal 4000c16 2x16gb & Trident-Z 3600c16 4x8gb & 3200c14 4x8gb
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    Onboard Realtek x3
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    1-AOC G2460PG 24"G-Sync 144Hz/ 2nd 1-ASUS VG248QE 24"/ 3rd LG 43" series
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What is an average PC user completely oblivious to this update supposed to do?
 

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ThrashZone said:
This smells terrible
So MS wants to own all our ssd's without purchasing them ?
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That's just how Secure Boot database updates work (and have to work) whenever a major manufacturer/OS vendor's secure boot key has been compromised. You actually get these Secure Boot DBX updates from time to time through either the Windows Update process they're using here or directly from your device manufacturer in a firmware/BIOS update, but the drama around the new BlackLotus threat they're blocking with this DBX update is that Microsoft's own bootloader for Windows is also affected. Microsoft has gradually patched the Windows bootloader over the last sixish months so that it won't be blocked by the Secure Boot update when it happens, but that's why they say you have to update any older usb install sticks or recovery partitions you have. As long as you receive Secure Boot updates from Windows Update or LVFS on Linux it'll be taken care of automatically.
 

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Steve C said:
What is an average PC user completely oblivious to this update supposed to do?
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You don't have to do anything, these updates will eventually be applied automatically by Windows Update. The article is intended for IT admins in organizations that have a specific reason to manually apply them early.
 

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As long as Secure Boot remains optional I don't care...
 

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BrianInEngland said:
As long as Secure Boot remains optional I don't care...
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Hi,
Unfortunately it is not on many oem machines
My secure boot setting is locked along with tpm and all security settings so no option to disable in bios.
 

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    Acer 17" Nitro 7840sn/ 2x16gb 5600c40/ 4060/ stock 1tb-os/ 4tb sn850x
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    10900k & 9940x & 5930k
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    z490-Apex & x299-Apex & x99-Sabertooth
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    Trident-Z Royal 4000c16 2x16gb & Trident-Z 3600c16 4x8gb & 3200c14 4x8gb
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    Titan Xp & 1080ti FTW3 & evga 980ti gaming
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    Onboard Realtek x3
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    1-AOC G2460PG 24"G-Sync 144Hz/ 2nd 1-ASUS VG248QE 24"/ 3rd LG 43" series
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ThrashZone said:
Hi,
Unfortunately it is not on many oem machines
My secure boot setting is locked along with tpm and all security settings so no option to disable in bios.
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Bummer. My PC is a self-built and I've never enabled Secure boot
 

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ThrashZone said:
My secure boot setting is locked along with tpm and all security settings so no option to disable in bios.
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So you will never be able to start any program from an external system DVD or USB-Stick?
For the Clonezilla I use I always have to disable the security setting in the UEFI Bios.
Directly after using Clonezilla I enable that again, as I think it's a valuable protection of the system.
But that would mean you would not be able to run any kind of utility software like Hirens Boot CD (or the moderner version on USB Stick).
 

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Kees said:
So you will never be able to start any program from an external system DVD or USB-Stick?
For the Clonezilla I use I always have to disable the security setting in the UEFI Bios.
Directly after using Clonezilla I enable that again, as I think it's a valuable protection of the system.
But that would mean you would not be able to run any kind of utility software like Hirens Boot CD (or the moderner version on USB Stick).
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Hi,
No I can still use any efi formatted usb with f12 boot menu or bios boot override, I prefer boot menu obviously faster.
I use M.Reflect winpe often with both activated and all seems fine.

Only wish list is to be able to disable tpm it's the one bitlocker crapware would use automatically if it ever became mandatory to use plus the silly ms account/ onedrive bs...

Got with acer about it they gave me a couple 4 digit pins that are usually used
I haven't been asked to enter one yet
In bios there is a add password there but haven't used it I'm not sure what good that is when settings are already locked but may look into that shortly.
 

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    Acer 17" Nitro 7840sn/ 2x16gb 5600c40/ 4060/ stock 1tb-os/ 4tb sn850x
    CPU
    10900k & 9940x & 5930k
    Motherboard
    z490-Apex & x299-Apex & x99-Sabertooth
    Memory
    Trident-Z Royal 4000c16 2x16gb & Trident-Z 3600c16 4x8gb & 3200c14 4x8gb
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    Titan Xp & 1080ti FTW3 & evga 980ti gaming
    Sound Card
    Onboard Realtek x3
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1-AOC G2460PG 24"G-Sync 144Hz/ 2nd 1-ASUS VG248QE 24"/ 3rd LG 43" series
    Screen Resolution
    1920-1080 not sure what the t.v is besides 43" class scales from 1920-1080 perfectly
    Hard Drives
    2-WD-sn850x 4tb/ 970evo+500gb/ 980 pro 2tb.
    PSU
    1000p2 & 1200p2 & 850p2
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    D450 x2 & 1 Test bench in cherry Entertainment center
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    Custom water loops x3 with 2x mora 360mm rads only 980ti gaming air cooled
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Well I added a bios password and all settings are live :thumbsup:
Acer didn't say that but tpm is dead as a door nail atm
Secure boot well we'll see what translations become of the April update between now and then before it's toast or not
Otherwise I've not had any issues with it.
 

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    Win-7-10-11Pro's
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    Acer 17" Nitro 7840sn/ 2x16gb 5600c40/ 4060/ stock 1tb-os/ 4tb sn850x
    CPU
    10900k & 9940x & 5930k
    Motherboard
    z490-Apex & x299-Apex & x99-Sabertooth
    Memory
    Trident-Z Royal 4000c16 2x16gb & Trident-Z 3600c16 4x8gb & 3200c14 4x8gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    Titan Xp & 1080ti FTW3 & evga 980ti gaming
    Sound Card
    Onboard Realtek x3
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1-AOC G2460PG 24"G-Sync 144Hz/ 2nd 1-ASUS VG248QE 24"/ 3rd LG 43" series
    Screen Resolution
    1920-1080 not sure what the t.v is besides 43" class scales from 1920-1080 perfectly
    Hard Drives
    2-WD-sn850x 4tb/ 970evo+500gb/ 980 pro 2tb.
    PSU
    1000p2 & 1200p2 & 850p2
    Case
    D450 x2 & 1 Test bench in cherry Entertainment center
    Cooling
    Custom water loops x3 with 2x mora 360mm rads only 980ti gaming air cooled
    Keyboard
    G710+x3
    Mouse
    Redragon x3
    Internet Speed
    xfinity gigabyte
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
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