Run W11 in Hyper-V with only TPM 1.2 in the W10 host - AND RESULTING ISSUES !!!

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I'm not a tech, so basic question: Can I run Win 11 in Hyper-V, which is in my Win 10 Pro 64-bit v. 21H1 on a Dell Optiplex 7010 with only TPM 1.2 that I haven't ever turned on?

Thanks.

Yes, you can. Just enable Secure Boot and TPM in VM settings:



Kari

Kari -- Kiitos !

OK - Here's the really dumb question.

How can I get an .iso of Win 11 to install on a Win 10 Hyper-V virtual machine?
I am right now in the process of creating my first ever virtual machine, I am doing it on Hyper-V, and I hope to be able to install some version of Win 10 Pro 64-bit on it just to make it work. Then how do I install Win 11 in it?

EDIT - I now have a Win 11 iso from MS, thanks to other good instructions on these forums. I have not yet created a virtual machine with it (or with anything). Questions:

1. At what point can I run Karl's settings instructions above for Enable Secure Boot and Enable TPM? Before or after I create my Win 11 virtual machine? If after, then before or after I boot or reboot that VM for the first time? Or, to put it another way, what is the earliest point in the initial process that I can implement Karl's graphic above?
2. I plan to create my first ever virtual machine directly from the Win 11 .iso. But is that a mistake? Should I first create a Win 10 VM using
   Download a Windows 10 virtual machine - Windows app development
   or
   Create a Virtual Machine with Hyper-V
   or
   some other source such as my own saved .iso of Win 10 v 21H1
   and only after that Win 10 VM is stable try to update it to Win 11 using the Win 11 iso?
   And HOW DOES YOUR ANSWER TO THIS Q 2 AFFECT YOUR ANSWER TO MY Q 1 ABOVE?
3. Assuming I succeed installing the Win 11, how much time will MS give me to play with it before demanding I pay for a license?

Thanks.

The answer to Question #3 is none, zero. From the Windows End Users License Agreement (EULA):

5. Authorized Software and Activation. You are authorized to use this software only if you are properly licensed and the software has been properly activated with a genuine product key or by other authorized method.

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There is no trial period for Windows 10 or 11.

Question 1. It doesn't really matter. Get the VM created. Then go in and make sure all the settings are correct. Don't forget to increase the number of CPUs to 2 or greater.

Question 2. There is no need to install Windows 10 first.

I have Win 11 working in Hyper -V. I also had a spare license so activation is not an issue.
Personally, as a repair tech, I wanted it for reference and do not wish to use it as my daily main computer. I have the Win 10 that is running the VM for that.
Running an i7 4770 32 gigs of ram and an SSD and it runs well.

NavyLCDR - thanks.

What happens if I first select "Install operating system later"?

Just an FYI

what the TPM hardware is on the computer doesn't matter for a Hyper-V VM, my media server also hosts some test VMs, and it's an i7-4770k, no TPM at all, it runs Windows 11 in a VM with no errors, warnings, or other issues.

Create the VM, and before you install Windows 11, enable the TPM and Secureboot settings, it should install - good idea to enable those things before you power on the VM to install Windows.

pgallagher72 said:

Just an FYI

what the TPM hardware is on the computer doesn't matter for a Hyper-V VM, my media server also hosts some test VMs, and it's an i7-4770k, no TPM at all, it runs Windows 11 in a VM with no errors, warnings, or other issues.

Create the VM, and before you install Windows 11, enable the TPM and Secureboot settings, it should install - good idea to enable those things before you power on the VM to install Windows.

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and a little known requirement us you have to select at least two CPUs.

pgallagher72, cereberus, porthos and NavyLCDR - thanks for your attention and posts.

This will be the first time I have ever created a VM. Please correct me if I'm wrong:

1. Create the VM with "Install operating system later". Name it Oceans 11.
2. Go into its Settings, enable its TPM and SecureBoot, and select at least 2 CPUs.
   1. Is that two CPUs or a CPU with two cores?
   2. On my "Host" PC in the real world (which is a Dell Optiplex 7010 Mini-Tower with Win 10 Pro 64-bit v 21H1), I have an Intel Core i5-3470 CPU with four cores, TPM is only 1.2 and is Off, SecureBoot is Off, my account is "Local" and not "Microsoft", I am booting UEFI but maybe it also supports some Legacy (not sure), and I don't require a password to log on. So, in Settings for the VM, are there any other items I should check or change?
   3. My "Host" PC has only 16 GB of RAM, and I will still need to do things in the real world, so I think I will allocate only 8GB of RAM to the VM. Good enough? Is that exactly 8,192 MB?
   4. FYI - following Karl's posts in this forum -- see Part Three of Hyper-V virtualization - Setup and Use in Windows 10 -- I now already have all three of External, Internal and Private virtual switches. (I wonder how to undo that later.)
3. After the above Settings, I should then "start" my VM? Will it prompt me to install an OS? If not, what should I do to install the OS?
   1. FYI - I have the latest ISO for Win 11 on a second hard drive on my "Host" PC, which normally has the drive letter E:\. In fact, the ISO is located in "E:\Copy of Win 11 Oct 9 2010".
   2. Also FYI - following some of Karl's suggestions in his YouTube tutorial, in my first foray into Hyper-V Manager, I have put my two folders for "Virtual Hard Disks" and "Virtual Machines" in a folder in yet another hard drive which normally has the drive letter G:\, "G:\Hyper-V"
   3. Given these facts, will my VM have difficulties finding my ISO for Win 11? Or should I somehow first copy the ISO for Win 11 into my Oceans 11 VM before running the ISO?
4. Finally, NavyLCDR indicates that there is zero time to play with Win 11 before I must activate it, and I don't have a license. I'm just playing around. So, will all of this fail at the end - I won't have any time to play with my Win 11?

Thanks for your patience.

glnz said:

Finally, NavyLCDR indicates that there is zero time to play with Win 11 before I must activate it, and I don't have a license. I'm just playing around. So, will all of this fail at the end - I won't have any time to play with my Win 11?

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An unactivated Windows 10 or 11 will run with some restrictions, mainly in the area of Personalization. You will not be able to set a wallpaper, for example. You will also be nagged to get it activated, after all it is against the EULA to run an unactivated Windows.

If you have an unused key for W7 or W8 you can use that to activate the VM. Even an unused W7 CoA key will do. Remember never to delete a VM once it has been activated with a digital license. You can save it for re-use later.

Bree - thanks, and my IT guys at work said I could use any W7 or 8 sticker I find.

Any thoughts on my numbered questions above?

I think my bottom line question is this - if I select "install OS later" so I can first go to Settings and enable TPM and Secure Boot, etc., etc., then when and how CAN I install the Win 11? Do I go to Hyper-V Manager and right-click the reference to my new Oceans 11 VM? Then what am I looking for?

glnz said:

Bree - thanks, and my IT guys at work said I could use any W7 or 8 sticker I find.

Any thoughts on my numbered questions above?

I think my bottom line question is this - if I select "install OS later" so I can first go to Settings and enable TPM and Secure Boot, etc., etc., then when and how CAN I install the Win 11? Do I go to Hyper-V Manager and right-click the reference to my new Oceans 11 VM? Then what am I looking for?

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When you're creating the VM, point it at a Windows 11 ISO - it won't start the install of Windows until you power it on.

After you're done configuring it, power it on

the boot sequence probably won't give you time to hit a key to boot from the ISO file - just choose "send ctrl+alt+del" in the VM menu, hit space to boot from ISO, and you're off to the races.

glnz said:

I think my bottom line question is this - if I select "install OS later" so I can first go to Settings and enable TPM and Secure Boot, etc., etc., then when and how CAN I install the Win 11? Do I go to Hyper-V Manager and right-click the reference to my new Oceans 11 VM? Then what am I looking for?

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You'll get the opportunity to change the settings before you first start the VM whether you choose to install later, or to install now by booting from the W11 ISO. The install doesn't start automatically, you have to start the VM yourself.

It must be a Generation 2 VM. To meet the system checks you'll need to enable TPM, set processors = 2, and memory to start with 4GB (this is so it will pass Setup's checks, memory can be set back to auto later if you wish).

pgallagher72 said:

the boot sequence probably won't give you time to hit a key to boot from the ISO file - just choose "send ctrl+alt+del" in the VM menu, hit space to boot from ISO, and you're off to the races.

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pgallagher - hmmm. Are we talking about two things - installing the OS and booting the VM?

Bree - if I choose to install later, will it be easy to find the buttons to do the installation later?

I suppose at this point I'm asking too any questions and should just try to do this.

Thank you both!!

glnz said:

Bree - if I choose to install later, will it be easy to find the buttons to do the installation later?

I suppose at this point I'm asking too any questions and should just try to do this.

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Yes, there's nothing like trying it for yourself I usually set mine to boot from the ISO when creating a new machine, then check and adjust the settings before starting the VM.

pgallagher72 said:

the boot sequence probably won't give you time to hit a key to boot from the ISO file - just choose "send ctrl+alt+del" in the VM menu, hit space to boot from ISO, and you're off to the races.

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A neat trick is to actually install 2 dvds and point them both to same iso (putting both dvds at top of boot order list). This doubles the time it takes to press the key.



Another way is to use the "Action Reset" link.

SEE TWO EDITs BELOW

Ladies and gents - I got stuck. In the setup, I selected "Install OS later", then did my Settings (yes to Securer Boot and TPM, and designted 8192 RAM and two processors).
But now, when I try to start and install the OS from my Win 11 iso, the only thing I get is this: >>Start PXE over IP4.

By the way, unlike Kari's tutorial video, in the Network Adapter part of Settings, it lists "New Network Switch" three times, with no distinction as to LAN, WLAN, etc.
Finally, my attempts to Start also generated a very large subwindow in the VM window indicating
"Network Adapter ... a boot image was not found ...SCSI disk ... the boot loader did not load an operating syste ...No opewrating system was loaded ...."

What to do?

EDIT - I HAVE MANAGED TO GET THE VM POINTED TO A "CD/DVD" DRIVE FOR BOOTING, AND POINTED THAT TO MY WIN 11 ISO. IT IS NOW RUNNING AND PROMPTING ME TO INSTALL WIN 11 !!!!!
But please Reply here how I should undo that as a boot source after Win 11 is installed.

SECOND EDIT - Win 11 is installed in the VM and showing me stuff. So far, there was no problem sticking to a Local Account. Also, I managed to install without setting a logon password (I think), which is the way I like it on my home PC - no password. But I haven't shut down and restarted yet. Stay tuned.

glnz said:

how I should undo that as a boot source after Win 11 is installed.

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Simply eject the ISO, same as you would a physical DVD after an install.

Bree - yes, thanks. And in Settings for the Hyper-Manager for this VM, I can see there is now an .efi file as first choice for booting. Excellent. Now, if only I had a use for this.