Surface Pro Keyboard Dead


Alonzo Mosley

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This may be the wrong forum, but I'm trying everything! Apologies in advance if this doesn't belong.

My SP8 keyboard has stopped working, and I obviously don't know if it's the keyboard, or if the computer has stopped recognizing it.

It's a MSFT-branded Surface Pro Signature keyboard (type cover) on my SP8 (OS details below).

By "not working" - the computer does not respond to the keys or the built-in trackpad. The backlit keys don't light, and pressing the 'Fn' and 'Caps' keys have no effect - neither lights when pressed. USB drives connect just fine, and the Surface power cord works just fine. Bluetooth and WiFi are unaffected. The Slim Pen works correctly but does not seem to be charging (using the charging/storage well on the cover).

I first noticed this last night (1-Nov, approx. 6PM). The PC (and keyboard) were both put into use in June 2022, and neither have malfunctioned before yesterday. I Shut Down the PC, folded the cover, put in my briefcase, walked home from the office, and rebooted. Everything had been fine all day, but did not work when I rebooted. Has not worked since.

One thing that is odd - a few times after reboots and detach/reattachments (see troubleshooting below), the keys would light for a second or two, and presing the Fn key would light the Fn key, but all other key/cursor/trackpad remained inoperable. After a few seconds, the Fn key light would extinguish and would not work again.

So two questions:
  1. What else (besides the below), can I try?
  2. How do I determine if this is a keyboard issue or a PC issue? I have ordered a new keyboard, but before I break the seal, would like some idea!

Troubleshooting Attempted
=========================
  • Cleaned contact points on both keyboard and PC with isopropyl
  • Several combinations of force reboots (with power attached/not attached, with keyboard attached, not attached)
    Including holding power for 20 seconds on restart
  • Updated from build 22635.4435 (KB5044377) to 22635.4440 (KB5045889)
    (Note: I updated *after* discovering the issue; I have been on Beta releases for over a year with no problems)
  • Checked UEFI (no Devices menu)
  • Uninstalled the Drivers and rebooted
  • Swore unholy words loudly
  • Attached keyboard "backwards" and reattached


Thanks for any help
Crossposted on MSFT and SurfaceForums.net
 
Windows Build/Version
Win 11 Home 23H2, Build 22635.4440 (Win Insider Beta)

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    MSFT Surface Pro 8
    CPU
    11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-1185G7 @ 3.00GH
    Memory
    16GB

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 9 3900X
    Motherboard
    MSI MPG Gaming Edge Wifi (X570)
    Memory
    32GB Adata XPG DDR4
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS GTX 1070 8GB ROG
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG Ultrawide 34"
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    3440x1440
    Hard Drives
    Main Boot Drive : 512GB Adata XPG RGB Gen3x4 NVMe M.2 SSD
    PSU
    EVGA 600 Watts Gold
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    Deepcool Genome II
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    Deepcool Fryzen
    Internet Speed
    1Gbps
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    Chrome
    Antivirus
    "Moderna"
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    Windows 11 Pro
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    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    i7-4790K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Xtreme6 Z97
    Memory
    16GB Corsair Vengeance Pro
    Graphics card(s)
    MSI R9 290
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG Ultrawide 34"
    Screen Resolution
    3440x1440
    Hard Drives
    Samsung M.2
    PSU
    Thermaltake 475 Watts 80 Bronze
    Case
    Thermaltake Commander I Snow Edition
    Cooling
    Deep Cool Archer Air Cooler
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Keyboard
    Armageddon MKA-5R RGB-Hornet
    Internet Speed
    1Gbps
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Moderna :)
Thanks. I had already worked all of those steps, no success.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    MSFT Surface Pro 8
    CPU
    11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-1185G7 @ 3.00GH
    Memory
    16GB
Swore unholy words loudly

Did you recite them backwards?

Wasn’t there a way to reset the Surface Pro keyboards in the past? Or is that included in one of your attempted fixes?
I seem to recall a member who had to do it. Maybe it was on another forum. I can’t remember.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows Pro 23H2 Build 22631.4249
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Sin-built
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (4th Gen?)
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus VI Formula
    Memory
    32.0 GB of I forget and the box is in storage.
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte nVidia GeForce GTX 1660 Super OC 6GB
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    4 x LG 23MP75 - 2 x 24MK430H-B - 1 x Wacom Pro 22" Tablet
    Screen Resolution
    All over the place
    Hard Drives
    Too many to list.
    OS on Samsung 1TB 870 QVO SATA
    PSU
    Silverstone 1500
    Case
    NZXT Phantom 820 Full-Tower Case
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 Elite Class Dual Tower CPU Cooler / 6 x EziDIY 120mm / 2 x Corsair 140mm somethings / 1 x 140mm Thermaltake something / 2 x 200mm Corsair.
    Keyboard
    Corsair K95 / Logitech diNovo Edge Wireless
    Mouse
    Logitech G402 / G502 / Mx Masters / MX Air Cordless
    Internet Speed
    100/40Mbps
    Browser
    All sorts
    Antivirus
    Kaspersky Premium
    Other Info
    I’m on a horse.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 Build: 22631.4249
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    LENOVO Yoga 7i EVO OLED 14" Touchscreen i5 12 Core 16GB/512GB
    CPU
    Intel Core 12th Gen i5-1240P Processor (1.7 - 4.4GHz)
    Memory
    16GB LPDDR5 RAM
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe Graphics Processor
    Sound Card
    Optimized with Dolby Atmos®
    Screen Resolution
    QHD 2880 x 1800 OLED
    Hard Drives
    M.2 512GB
    Other Info
    …still on a horse.
Wasn’t there a way to reset the Surface Pro keyboards in the past? Or is that included in one of your attempted fixes?
If there is, my Googling didn't find it. Would welcome any direction!
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    MSFT Surface Pro 8
    CPU
    11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-1185G7 @ 3.00GH
    Memory
    16GB
If there is, my Googling didn't find it. Would welcome any direction!

It may of been that page above. It was posted whilst I was searching and didn’t see it.
I searched until my eyes bled. I couldn’t find it.

What I might suggest, unless you know smeone with a Surface that you can try keyboard on or try theirs on yours.

Make a backup of your Surface as it is. Reinstall everything (I don’t know the Surface process)
Just to make sure something obscure hasn’t occurred. At least with a fresh install, you could rule that out and conclude maybe that the keyboard might just be dead.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows Pro 23H2 Build 22631.4249
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Sin-built
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (4th Gen?)
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus VI Formula
    Memory
    32.0 GB of I forget and the box is in storage.
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte nVidia GeForce GTX 1660 Super OC 6GB
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    4 x LG 23MP75 - 2 x 24MK430H-B - 1 x Wacom Pro 22" Tablet
    Screen Resolution
    All over the place
    Hard Drives
    Too many to list.
    OS on Samsung 1TB 870 QVO SATA
    PSU
    Silverstone 1500
    Case
    NZXT Phantom 820 Full-Tower Case
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 Elite Class Dual Tower CPU Cooler / 6 x EziDIY 120mm / 2 x Corsair 140mm somethings / 1 x 140mm Thermaltake something / 2 x 200mm Corsair.
    Keyboard
    Corsair K95 / Logitech diNovo Edge Wireless
    Mouse
    Logitech G402 / G502 / Mx Masters / MX Air Cordless
    Internet Speed
    100/40Mbps
    Browser
    All sorts
    Antivirus
    Kaspersky Premium
    Other Info
    I’m on a horse.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 Build: 22631.4249
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    LENOVO Yoga 7i EVO OLED 14" Touchscreen i5 12 Core 16GB/512GB
    CPU
    Intel Core 12th Gen i5-1240P Processor (1.7 - 4.4GHz)
    Memory
    16GB LPDDR5 RAM
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe Graphics Processor
    Sound Card
    Optimized with Dolby Atmos®
    Screen Resolution
    QHD 2880 x 1800 OLED
    Hard Drives
    M.2 512GB
    Other Info
    …still on a horse.
Loose ribbon cable, maybe?

The good thing about Surface devices is that they're easy to open, if I recall correctly. Just a few screws and the bottom panel is held in place with magnets. No antiquated, easily breakable plastic clips.

Might be something to check after exhausting all other options.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 23H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo Legion 5 - 17ach6h
    CPU
    Ryzen 7 5800H
    Memory
    32GB RipJaws DDR4 3200
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce RTX 3060
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASRock PG27FF1A - 27 Inch - 165Hz IPS
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    1TB OEM Samsung NVMe M.2
    1TB Samsung 970 EVO NVMe M.2
    4TB external HDD (x2)
    1TB external HDD
    PSU
    300W brick
    Cooling
    Paste replaced with PTM7950
    Keyboard
    Redragon K530 Pro Draconic | Ajazz AK33
    Mouse
    EVGA X20
    Internet Speed
    500 Mbps
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
  • Operating System
    Windows 10
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus ROG Strix - GL502VSK
    CPU
    Core I7 7700HQ
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    GeForce GTX 1070
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15.6" 60Hz IPS
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    256GB OEM Samsung M.2 NVMe
    500GB Samsung 870 EVO SATA III
    Cooling
    Paste replaced with PTM7950
    Internet Speed
    500 Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
Loose ribbon cable, maybe?

The good thing about Surface devices is that they're easy to open, if I recall correctly. Just a few screws and the bottom panel is held in place with magnets. No antiquated, easily breakable plastic clips.

Might be something to check after exhausting all other options.
I don't think you recall correctly!
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    MSFT Surface Pro 8
    CPU
    11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-1185G7 @ 3.00GH
    Memory
    16GB

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 23H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo Legion 5 - 17ach6h
    CPU
    Ryzen 7 5800H
    Memory
    32GB RipJaws DDR4 3200
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce RTX 3060
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASRock PG27FF1A - 27 Inch - 165Hz IPS
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    1TB OEM Samsung NVMe M.2
    1TB Samsung 970 EVO NVMe M.2
    4TB external HDD (x2)
    1TB external HDD
    PSU
    300W brick
    Cooling
    Paste replaced with PTM7950
    Keyboard
    Redragon K530 Pro Draconic | Ajazz AK33
    Mouse
    EVGA X20
    Internet Speed
    500 Mbps
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
  • Operating System
    Windows 10
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus ROG Strix - GL502VSK
    CPU
    Core I7 7700HQ
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    GeForce GTX 1070
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15.6" 60Hz IPS
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    256GB OEM Samsung M.2 NVMe
    500GB Samsung 870 EVO SATA III
    Cooling
    Paste replaced with PTM7950
    Internet Speed
    500 Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
Oh, like anyone knows how magnets work...
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    MSFT Surface Pro 8
    CPU
    11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-1185G7 @ 3.00GH
    Memory
    16GB

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 23H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo Legion 5 - 17ach6h
    CPU
    Ryzen 7 5800H
    Memory
    32GB RipJaws DDR4 3200
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce RTX 3060
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASRock PG27FF1A - 27 Inch - 165Hz IPS
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    1TB OEM Samsung NVMe M.2
    1TB Samsung 970 EVO NVMe M.2
    4TB external HDD (x2)
    1TB external HDD
    PSU
    300W brick
    Cooling
    Paste replaced with PTM7950
    Keyboard
    Redragon K530 Pro Draconic | Ajazz AK33
    Mouse
    EVGA X20
    Internet Speed
    500 Mbps
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
  • Operating System
    Windows 10
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus ROG Strix - GL502VSK
    CPU
    Core I7 7700HQ
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    GeForce GTX 1070
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15.6" 60Hz IPS
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    256GB OEM Samsung M.2 NVMe
    500GB Samsung 870 EVO SATA III
    Cooling
    Paste replaced with PTM7950
    Internet Speed
    500 Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
Forgot to add: I ran Surface Diagnostic Tool and it said it couldn't check the keyboard because it didn't test third-party equipment, but it is in fact a MSFT-branded keyboard.

Also, the Slim Pen is NOT charging; it's lost 2% idling overnight.

magic-how-do-they-work.gif
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    MSFT Surface Pro 8
    CPU
    11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-1185G7 @ 3.00GH
    Memory
    16GB
So replacement keyboard works. Fingers crossed it stays that way. Thanks everyone.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    MSFT Surface Pro 8
    CPU
    11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-1185G7 @ 3.00GH
    Memory
    16GB

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 9 3900X
    Motherboard
    MSI MPG Gaming Edge Wifi (X570)
    Memory
    32GB Adata XPG DDR4
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS GTX 1070 8GB ROG
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG Ultrawide 34"
    Screen Resolution
    3440x1440
    Hard Drives
    Main Boot Drive : 512GB Adata XPG RGB Gen3x4 NVMe M.2 SSD
    PSU
    EVGA 600 Watts Gold
    Case
    Deepcool Genome II
    Cooling
    Deepcool Fryzen
    Internet Speed
    1Gbps
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    "Moderna"
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    i7-4790K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Xtreme6 Z97
    Memory
    16GB Corsair Vengeance Pro
    Graphics card(s)
    MSI R9 290
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG Ultrawide 34"
    Screen Resolution
    3440x1440
    Hard Drives
    Samsung M.2
    PSU
    Thermaltake 475 Watts 80 Bronze
    Case
    Thermaltake Commander I Snow Edition
    Cooling
    Deep Cool Archer Air Cooler
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Keyboard
    Armageddon MKA-5R RGB-Hornet
    Internet Speed
    1Gbps
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Moderna :)

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows Pro 23H2 Build 22631.4249
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Sin-built
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (4th Gen?)
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus VI Formula
    Memory
    32.0 GB of I forget and the box is in storage.
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte nVidia GeForce GTX 1660 Super OC 6GB
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    4 x LG 23MP75 - 2 x 24MK430H-B - 1 x Wacom Pro 22" Tablet
    Screen Resolution
    All over the place
    Hard Drives
    Too many to list.
    OS on Samsung 1TB 870 QVO SATA
    PSU
    Silverstone 1500
    Case
    NZXT Phantom 820 Full-Tower Case
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 Elite Class Dual Tower CPU Cooler / 6 x EziDIY 120mm / 2 x Corsair 140mm somethings / 1 x 140mm Thermaltake something / 2 x 200mm Corsair.
    Keyboard
    Corsair K95 / Logitech diNovo Edge Wireless
    Mouse
    Logitech G402 / G502 / Mx Masters / MX Air Cordless
    Internet Speed
    100/40Mbps
    Browser
    All sorts
    Antivirus
    Kaspersky Premium
    Other Info
    I’m on a horse.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 Build: 22631.4249
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    LENOVO Yoga 7i EVO OLED 14" Touchscreen i5 12 Core 16GB/512GB
    CPU
    Intel Core 12th Gen i5-1240P Processor (1.7 - 4.4GHz)
    Memory
    16GB LPDDR5 RAM
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe Graphics Processor
    Sound Card
    Optimized with Dolby Atmos®
    Screen Resolution
    QHD 2880 x 1800 OLED
    Hard Drives
    M.2 512GB
    Other Info
    …still on a horse.
This happened to me too on my SPX! I spent many hours troubleshooting, it was incredibly frustrating.
I also ended up buying a new keyboard cover. Kind of ridiculous you can brick a MS keyboard with a MS OS update.
The weirdest part is that, initially, I was able to workaround the problem by attaching the keyboard backwards, then reattaching, but NOT letting the keyboard fold up (so that the pen-hold area is flush against the display). It then lost that ability with some of the subsequent troubleshooting (maybe a system reset). Anyway, I'm still in the return period of the new keyboard so please share if anyone finds a fix.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
I tried the "backward" thing, but that shouldn't work... Since the connectors are only on the right tab.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    MSFT Surface Pro 8
    CPU
    11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-1185G7 @ 3.00GH
    Memory
    16GB

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