time to replace components in wife's computer for dreaded Win10 to Win11


My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 24H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec B746
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-10700K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4/ax
    Memory
    16GB (8GB PC4-19200 DDR4 SDRAM x2)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 TI
    Sound Card
    Realtek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    #1. LG ULTRAWIDE 34" #2. AOC Q32G2WG3 32"
    Screen Resolution
    #1. 3440 X 1440 #2. 1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    NVMe WDC WDS100T2B0C-00PXH0 1TB
    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB
    PSU
    750 Watts (62.5A)
    Case
    PowerSpec/Lian Li ATX 205
    Keyboard
    Logitech K270
    Mouse
    Logitech M185
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge and Firefox
    Antivirus
    ESET Internet Security
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec G156
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-8400 CPU @ 2.80GHz
    Motherboard
    AsusTeK Prime B360M-S
    Memory
    16 MB DDR 4-2666
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23" Speptre HDMI 75Hz
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 EVO 500GB NVMe
    Mouse
    Logitek M185
    Keyboard
    Logitek K270
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge and Edge Canary
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 24H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Intel NUC12WSHi7
    CPU
    12th Gen Intel Core i7-1260P, 2100 MHz
    Motherboard
    NUC12WSBi7
    Memory
    64 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    built-in Realtek HD audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell U3219Q
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160 @ 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 990 PRO 1TB
    Keyboard
    CODE 104-Key Mechanical with Cherry MX Clears
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Defender

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (build 22631.4249) test laptop, Windows 11 Pro v24H2 (build 26100.3915) main PC
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, no SSE4.2, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v24H2 (build 26100.3915)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    Gainward NE5105T018G1-1070F (nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WD Blue SA510 2.5 1000GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Deepcool Gamma Archer CPU cooler, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 24H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Intel NUC12WSHi7
    CPU
    12th Gen Intel Core i7-1260P, 2100 MHz
    Motherboard
    NUC12WSBi7
    Memory
    64 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    built-in Realtek HD audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell U3219Q
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160 @ 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 990 PRO 1TB
    Keyboard
    CODE 104-Key Mechanical with Cherry MX Clears
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Defender
History repeats itself. When Windows XP was new, we would prefer Windows 98. Vista was not good and deliberately more demanding than XP because Microsoft hoped we would replace our computers in order to run Vista. With Windows 7 they learned their lesson and made them lighter than Vista, the 32-bit version almost having the same performance at running XP on the same hardware. Of course we didn't like change, so we claimed that XP was better than 7. After Windows 8 and 10 were out, we would stick with Windows 7. Now that 10 is nearing EOL, we still hesitate to try Windows 11. I am sure if a newer version is out, such as Windows 12 sometime in the future, we would claim Windows 11 is better.

Maybe we're like this because each version of Windows gets worse? :p
NT stands for New Technology which was 32-bit only and different from Windows 9x that was hybrid 16-bit/32-bit for backwards compatibility. In Windows NT they didn't care about backwards compatibility, they just built a new OS for businesses. That's why the need for NTVM to run old 16-bit and DOS applications and of course it wasn't 100% compatible as Windows 9x. So if you had a business computer you would use Windows NT 4.0 but for a home computer you needed Windows 95/98 to maximise compatibility with most hardware and games. Early adopters of Windows 2000 (NT 5.0) were surprised to realise they couldn't play their games and couldn't find drivers for their old devices. Windows 2000 initially had no DirectX required by most Windows games. It was available later. This should teach them to first TRY and then adopt any new Windows version.

Remember HAL ... shift ahead one letter in the alphabet and get IBM? Windows NT (WNT)... is one letter ahead of VMS, which Dave Cutler (grabbed by MS from DEC) made hefty use of when he led the design of of WNT for Microsoft. At least until they beat him back with "Hey, Dave, backwards compatibility!!!"). So it ended up a half-solution to what we needed.

Not really a 10.1. So, 10X didn't become 11. 10X was cancelled, and some of its parts were included in 11. 10X was based on Windows Core OS, which is a modular version of NT where you could add/remove different parts of the OS. It also didn't have the legacy UI stuff in it, and it separated user files, system files, and app files. That truly would be a new version of Windows, and I'm a little sad we haven't seen it yet.

Welcome to VMS. But that was the part MS wouldn't bite on, way back in the original "we have to stay old-school compatible!" days. MS was never willing to swallow the Hard-to-Take pills and isolate the functions. That's why MS has remained insecure by design for so long. They patch it and patch it, but what they really need is the isolation.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 24H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP
    CPU
    Intel Ultra 7 155H
    Memory
    16gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Arc integrated
    Hard Drives
    SSD
Ooooookay.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 24H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Intel NUC12WSHi7
    CPU
    12th Gen Intel Core i7-1260P, 2100 MHz
    Motherboard
    NUC12WSBi7
    Memory
    64 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    built-in Realtek HD audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell U3219Q
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160 @ 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 990 PRO 1TB
    Keyboard
    CODE 104-Key Mechanical with Cherry MX Clears
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Defender
Ooooookay.

Which part are you doubting? The part where Dave Cutler designed WNT based on VMS? The part where they refused to leave the DOS legacy behind and adopt an actual secure OS structure for WNT? The fact that they've dragged the terrible strategy of maintaining compatibility with a newly flawed architecture ahead each time? Or the part where you yourself acknowledged that MS needs to isolate the files/functions such that they could head towards real security?
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 24H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP
    CPU
    Intel Ultra 7 155H
    Memory
    16gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Arc integrated
    Hard Drives
    SSD
I didn’t say I was doubting anything.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 24H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Intel NUC12WSHi7
    CPU
    12th Gen Intel Core i7-1260P, 2100 MHz
    Motherboard
    NUC12WSBi7
    Memory
    64 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    built-in Realtek HD audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell U3219Q
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160 @ 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 990 PRO 1TB
    Keyboard
    CODE 104-Key Mechanical with Cherry MX Clears
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Defender
I'm trying to get a better understanding of why MS couldn't have used the name Windows 9. I'm still not seeing it. To me , Windows 9 is just a name.

Edit: I'm still not sure that the reason MS went with Windows 10 instead of Windows 9 was because the wanted to show that the new OS was going in a different direction than Windows 8 and 8.1. If they had gone with the name Windows 9 , I wonder how many users would think that nothing changed and that MS only added 8 + 1 to come up with a new name. Windows 8 and 8.1 weren't very well liked by many users.
I think that they wanted to match Apple,which had MacOS 10.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    home built
    CPU
    AMD 7900x
    Motherboard
    ASUS AMD x670E ROG Strix E-A
    Memory
    64 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Nvidia 3060 Ti (but wanting to upgrade)
    Sound Card
    built-in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell 24"
    Cooling
    AIO for CPU, fans for case
    Keyboard
    Das Keyboard 4
    Mouse
    Corsair M65 (white)
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Bitdefender
    Other Info
    Also have Lenovo T14S laptop (me) and Lenovo Slim 71 (wife)
I think that they wanted to match Apple,which had MacOS 10.
OS X came out before XP, but XP’s name had probably already been decided. So why not name Vista, 7 or 8 “Windows 10” if that’s what they were after?
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 24H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Intel NUC12WSHi7
    CPU
    12th Gen Intel Core i7-1260P, 2100 MHz
    Motherboard
    NUC12WSBi7
    Memory
    64 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    built-in Realtek HD audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell U3219Q
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160 @ 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 990 PRO 1TB
    Keyboard
    CODE 104-Key Mechanical with Cherry MX Clears
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Defender
Maybe we're like this because each version of Windows gets worse? :p


Remember HAL ... shift ahead one letter in the alphabet and get IBM? Windows NT (WNT)... is one letter ahead of VMS, which Dave Cutler (grabbed by MS from DEC) made hefty use of when he led the design of of WNT for Microsoft. At least until they beat him back with "Hey, Dave, backwards compatibility!!!"). So it ended up a half-solution to what we needed.



Welcome to VMS. But that was the part MS wouldn't bite on, way back in the original "we have to stay old-school compatible!" days. MS was never willing to swallow the Hard-to-Take pills and isolate the functions. That's why MS has remained insecure by design for so long. They patch it and patch it, but what they really need is the isolation.
Backwards compatibility is an important feature of Windows. People can rest assured that their old hardware has some degree of compatibility with a newer Windows version. Also their old games and applications are not rendered automatically obsolete with any new Windows version. Of course I don't mean that hardware and software working on Windows 95 should work on 11, but it SHOULD work on 98 and at least XP if not higher. While with Mac OS any new version threatens to block old devices and old applications. Maybe not from one version to the next, but certainly 2-3 versions apart. For example, the minimum requirement for Mac OS utilities, was 10.6, then went 10.8 then 10.12, then 10.15 now you are not sure, you may need Mac OS 12 or higher. Windows applications from XP still work in 11, and almost any Vista 64-bit or higher driver can be installed in 11. VERY convenient. When I evaluate a new Windows version, the first thing I check is compatibility, not security. Does it work on my current "old" 3rd generation system? Yes, that's a plus. Does it work on older systems? How older? Do my old favorite applications and games still work? Yes, that's a plus. No, this is bad, but as long as there is a newer version or workaround, I am OK with this. With Mac OS or Linux you never have this sort of backwards compatibility, let alone they support much less devices and applications than Windows to begin with, so this is a big disadvantage for me. As for security most of us old Windows users have learned to use our brains, unlike Linux or Mac OS users that think they are immune to viruses. Guess what? They are not immune, they are just too small user base for any hacker to spend time creating a virus for them. Hackers want to affect as many computers as possible, so they target Windows users that have much larger user base, not because it is easier to infect them. Oh, this thought never crossed your minds? You better use your brains in Linux and Mac OS too, don't rely solely on their security features. They might be a little harder to hack, but not unhackable.
 
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My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (build 22631.4249) test laptop, Windows 11 Pro v24H2 (build 26100.3915) main PC
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, no SSE4.2, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v24H2 (build 26100.3915)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    Gainward NE5105T018G1-1070F (nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WD Blue SA510 2.5 1000GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Deepcool Gamma Archer CPU cooler, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
Day-zee, DAY-zee ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬ . . . What's done is done and there's no going back. HAL had to die because HAL wasn't safe. 8.1 (should have been Nine) had to go for similar reasons but at least it wasn't exterminating its users. I would have held out until Win 10 if I didn't have family members and clients to deal with but as a Windows Insider I did "the right thing" and received my just reward. I suppose I'm a little masochistic, but I never let go of my Win 7 Ultimate and it's still up and running in its own right. This is also why I was really, really hoping Win 11 was going to be the answer to all the mayhem and aggravation generated by the preceding three OS, 8, 8.1, and the key logger edition. No such providence. Instead, Win 11 resulted in a fiasco that rendered most functional PCs obsolete (even Dave Plummer allowed for that reality) in effect coercing people to run out and purchase newer "compliant" hardware. If that wasn't enough the Recall feature was about to make the Windows 10 "key logger edition" look like child's play until certain users cried "foul". Evidently, MS is still at it. Well, at least they completely eliminated Cortana. I'll give them that.

Stability is still an issue while Microsoft doubles down on making Win 11 more AI ready via CoPilot on 24H2, but CoPilot appears to be more of an auto-pilot that could easily take one places where they have no intentions of going. Personally, I'm wondering just who the Pilot is when I keep on getting relegated to playing second fiddle for access to my hardware. No worries. If I want to use Linux I'll just use my KVM switch instead. Perhaps I'm just too old fashioned, too set in my ways, too familiar with what works for me. Nonetheless I eventually capitulated and purchased about the oldest 'Win 11 Ready' hardware that I could get my hands on that still served my personal and domestic requirements. This is turning out to be quite the joy ride. I still have a long way to go.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    WIN 11, WIN 10, WIN 8.1, WIN 7 U, WIN 7 PRO, WIN 7 HOME (32 Bit), LINUX MINT
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DIY, ASUS, and DELL
    CPU
    Intel i7 6900K and i9-7960X / AMD 3800X (8 core)
    Motherboard
    ASUS X99E-WS USB 3.1 and ASUS X299 SAGE
    Memory
    128 GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM (B DIE)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA 1070 and RTX 3070
    Sound Card
    Crystal Sound (onboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    single Samsung 30" 4K and 8" aux monitor
    Screen Resolution
    4K and something equally attrocious. I'll be working on this.
    Hard Drives
    A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W

    Ports X, Y, and Z are reserved for USB access and removable drives.

    Drive types consist of the following: Various mechanical hard drives bearing the brand names, Seagate, Toshiba, and Western Digital. Various NVMe drives bearing the brand names Kingston, Intel, Silicon Power, Crucial, Western Digital, and Team Group. Various SATA SSDs bearing various different brand names.

    RAID arrays included:

    LSI RAID 10 (WD Velociraptors) 1115.72 GB
    LSI RAID 10 (WD SSDS) 463.80 GB

    INTEL RAID 0 (KINGSTON HYPER X) System 447.14 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 TOSHIBA ENTERPRIZE class Data 2794.52 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 SEAGATE HYBRID 931.51 GB
    PSU
    SEVERAL. I prefer my Corsair Platinum HX1000i but I also like EVGA power supplies
    Case
    ThermalTake Level 10 GT (among others)
    Cooling
    Noctua is my favorite and I use it in my main. I also own various other coolers.
    Keyboard
    all kinds.
    Mouse
    all kinds
    Internet Speed
    360 mbps - 1 gbps (depending)
    Browser
    FIREFOX
    Antivirus
    KASPERSKY (no apologies)
    Other Info
    Gave Dell touch screen with Windows 11 to daughter and got me an OTVOC. Being a PC builder I own many desktop PCs as well. I am a father of five providing PCs, laptops, and tablets for all my family, most of which I have modified, rebuilt, or simply built from scratch. I do not own a cell phone, never have, never will.
🙄
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 24H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Intel NUC12WSHi7
    CPU
    12th Gen Intel Core i7-1260P, 2100 MHz
    Motherboard
    NUC12WSBi7
    Memory
    64 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    built-in Realtek HD audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell U3219Q
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160 @ 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 990 PRO 1TB
    Keyboard
    CODE 104-Key Mechanical with Cherry MX Clears
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Defender
Day-zee, DAY-zee ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬ . . . What's done is done and there's no going back. HAL had to die because HAL wasn't safe. 8.1 (should have been Nine) had to go for similar reasons but at least it wasn't exterminating its users. I would have held out until Win 10 if I didn't have family members and clients to deal with but as a Windows Insider I did "the right thing" and received my just reward. I suppose I'm a little masochistic, but I never let go of my Win 7 Ultimate and it's still up and running in its own right. This is also why I was really, really hoping Win 11 was going to be the answer to all the mayhem and aggravation generated by the preceding three OS, 8, 8.1, and the key logger edition. No such providence. Instead, Win 11 resulted in a fiasco that rendered most functional PCs obsolete (even Dave Plummer allowed for that reality) in effect coercing people to run out and purchase newer "compliant" hardware. If that wasn't enough the Recall feature was about to make the Windows 10 "key logger edition" look like child's play until certain users cried "foul". Evidently, MS is still at it. Well, at least they completely eliminated Cortana. I'll give them that.

Stability is still an issue while Microsoft doubles down on making Win 11 more AI ready via CoPilot on 24H2, but CoPilot appears to be more of an auto-pilot that could easily take one places where they have no intentions of going. Personally, I'm wondering just who the Pilot is when I keep on getting relegated to playing second fiddle for access to my hardware. No worries. If I want to use Linux I'll just use my KVM switch instead. Perhaps I'm just too old fashioned, too set in my ways, too familiar with what works for me. Nonetheless I eventually capitulated and purchased about the oldest 'Win 11 Ready' hardware that I could get my hands on that still served my personal and domestic requirements. This is turning out to be quite the joy ride. I still have a long way to go.
The oldest possible computer to install Windows 11 21H2, 22H2 and 23H2 is first generation Intel 64-bit systems. I have successfully installed Windows 11 23H2 on an Intel Pentium 4 640 HT 3.2GHz socket 775 (1st generation 64-bit CPU) with 2GB RAM, mechanical 3.5" IDE 250GB HDD (no SATA) and nVidia GeForce FX CPU. No UEFI, no Secure Boot, no TPM, no WDDM version 2.0 graphics drivers (only WDDM 1.0, aka Vista 64-bit drivers), I don't think there is a lower spec unsupported system to install Windows 11 on. Yes, it took over one hour to install and it was VERY slow, but I did it to test if it is possible. I then formatted it and installed Windows 7 32-bit to work A LOT faster. Unfortunately 24H2 demands SSE4.2, so we cannot upgrade our good old Intel Core 2 Duo laptops or desktops. We need at least first generation Intel Core-i3 CPU. So my test laptop (see 1st system specs) runs 23H2. No worries here, until it is obsolete and I cannot use it anymore, I think it's another 5+ years, no bad for a Vista era 2009 laptop.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (build 22631.4249) test laptop, Windows 11 Pro v24H2 (build 26100.3915) main PC
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, no SSE4.2, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v24H2 (build 26100.3915)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    Gainward NE5105T018G1-1070F (nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WD Blue SA510 2.5 1000GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Deepcool Gamma Archer CPU cooler, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
The oldest possible computer to install Windows 11 21H2, 22H2 and 23H2 is first generation Intel 64-bit systems. I have successfully installed Windows 11 23H2 on an Intel Pentium 4 640 HT 3.2GHz socket 775 (1st generation 64-bit CPU) with 2GB RAM, mechanical 3.5" IDE 250GB HDD (no SATA) and nVidia GeForce FX CPU. No UEFI, no Secure Boot, no TPM, no WDDM version 2.0 graphics drivers (only WDDM 1.0, aka Vista 64-bit drivers), I don't think there is a lower spec unsupported system to install Windows 11 on. Yes, it took over one hour to install and it was VERY slow, but I did it to test if it is possible. I then formatted it and installed Windows 7 32-bit to work A LOT faster. Unfortunately 24H2 demands SSE4.2, so we cannot upgrade our good old Intel Core 2 Duo laptops or desktops. We need at least first generation Intel Core-i3 CPU. So my test laptop (see 1st system specs) runs 23H2. No worries here, until it is obsolete and I cannot use it anymore, I think it's another 5+ years, no bad for a Vista era 2009 laptop.
I hear you, but I was referring to hardware endorsed by Windows, not maverick builds. I have successful installations of Windows 11 on X58 platforms here, on the home front. I've also installed it on a few neighbourhood giveaways that are considerably older. One of those was a Dell Inspiron 530 with a duo core chip. I wouldn't mind it for my main PCs to be able to get updates if and when I need them. At the same time I don't need a blazing fast, bleeding edge system to do what I need it to do. A modest 4GHz clock speed on my CPU will do. At the same time I need a lot of memory and bandwidth because I tend to move a lot of data around. For this reason I need a real work station and not a wannabe work station. Hence my X299 build which many today consider to be a 'dead' platform despite being Windows 11 ready. Apart from the Dell touch screen laptop I gave to my daughter for university none of the PCs they have in their possession are acceptable for the latest version of Windows 11. They're all running rogue systems.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    WIN 11, WIN 10, WIN 8.1, WIN 7 U, WIN 7 PRO, WIN 7 HOME (32 Bit), LINUX MINT
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DIY, ASUS, and DELL
    CPU
    Intel i7 6900K and i9-7960X / AMD 3800X (8 core)
    Motherboard
    ASUS X99E-WS USB 3.1 and ASUS X299 SAGE
    Memory
    128 GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM (B DIE)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA 1070 and RTX 3070
    Sound Card
    Crystal Sound (onboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    single Samsung 30" 4K and 8" aux monitor
    Screen Resolution
    4K and something equally attrocious. I'll be working on this.
    Hard Drives
    A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W

    Ports X, Y, and Z are reserved for USB access and removable drives.

    Drive types consist of the following: Various mechanical hard drives bearing the brand names, Seagate, Toshiba, and Western Digital. Various NVMe drives bearing the brand names Kingston, Intel, Silicon Power, Crucial, Western Digital, and Team Group. Various SATA SSDs bearing various different brand names.

    RAID arrays included:

    LSI RAID 10 (WD Velociraptors) 1115.72 GB
    LSI RAID 10 (WD SSDS) 463.80 GB

    INTEL RAID 0 (KINGSTON HYPER X) System 447.14 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 TOSHIBA ENTERPRIZE class Data 2794.52 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 SEAGATE HYBRID 931.51 GB
    PSU
    SEVERAL. I prefer my Corsair Platinum HX1000i but I also like EVGA power supplies
    Case
    ThermalTake Level 10 GT (among others)
    Cooling
    Noctua is my favorite and I use it in my main. I also own various other coolers.
    Keyboard
    all kinds.
    Mouse
    all kinds
    Internet Speed
    360 mbps - 1 gbps (depending)
    Browser
    FIREFOX
    Antivirus
    KASPERSKY (no apologies)
    Other Info
    Gave Dell touch screen with Windows 11 to daughter and got me an OTVOC. Being a PC builder I own many desktop PCs as well. I am a father of five providing PCs, laptops, and tablets for all my family, most of which I have modified, rebuilt, or simply built from scratch. I do not own a cell phone, never have, never will.
Microsoft put these hardware requirements for Windows 11 in agreement with manufacturers to boost hardware sales. However, they "leaked" the Registry hack to bypass compatibility check for a clean installation to any 64-bit computer, before 24H2 changed that. They want to keep their promises to manufacturers but they are not stupid to really block all non-compliant systems. Thanks God Microsoft is not Apple. If they did that, most would switch to Linux and they would lose a significant number of Windows users. Their user base would shrink considerably so Linux and Mac OS would be a serious threat. Hopefully they will never do that mistake and there will always be some workaround for non-compliant but fully capable systems. I spent good money on my current system and it serves my needs. Why replace it? I would rather stick with Windows 11 24H2 or whichever version will be the last compatible than switch to Linux. I might even sell it as second hand and buy a newer generation refurbished one. Computers are so powerful for my needs, I don't see the reason to buy a current generation model and spend twice or more.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (build 22631.4249) test laptop, Windows 11 Pro v24H2 (build 26100.3915) main PC
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, no SSE4.2, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v24H2 (build 26100.3915)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    Gainward NE5105T018G1-1070F (nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WD Blue SA510 2.5 1000GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Deepcool Gamma Archer CPU cooler, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
Microsoft put these hardware requirements for Windows 11 in agreement with manufacturers to boost hardware sales. However, they "leaked" the Registry hack
Maybe it was for development purposes, and they forgot to take it out before general availability? Guessing here.

to bypass compatibility check for a clean installation to any 64-bit computer, before 24H2 changed that. They want to keep their promises to manufacturers but they are not stupid to really block all non-compliant systems.
It's a tradeoff: bigger expense for users vs. better security. I'm going to guess here (IT professionals: please check me here) that corporates will want to use Bitlocker for the additional security, since a security breach can be very expensive, as in ransomware. Maybe their IT insurance company will require bitlocker support? Dunno. So corporates can justify the upgrade expense. And corporate don't want "rogue" systems upgraded to Win 11 without bitlocker

Us ordinary users at home, entirely different situation. We are generally smarter about security, but we can't justify to ourselves or to our spouses :lmao: that we "need" a new system just so we can run Win 11.

Thanks God Microsoft is not Apple. If they did that, most would switch to Linux and they would lose a significant number of Windows users.
Apple users probably have greater brand loyalty.

Their user base would shrink considerably
Not necessarily. Most people wold keep using Win 10, not understanding the meaning of EOL.
I would rather stick with Windows 11 24H2 or whichever version will be the last compatible than switch to Linux.
We might all end up saying that about Win 12. For me Linux is a non-starter. (Different thread, and I won't start it.)
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    home built
    CPU
    AMD 7900x
    Motherboard
    ASUS AMD x670E ROG Strix E-A
    Memory
    64 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Nvidia 3060 Ti (but wanting to upgrade)
    Sound Card
    built-in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell 24"
    Cooling
    AIO for CPU, fans for case
    Keyboard
    Das Keyboard 4
    Mouse
    Corsair M65 (white)
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Bitdefender
    Other Info
    Also have Lenovo T14S laptop (me) and Lenovo Slim 71 (wife)
Backwards compatibility is an important feature of Windows. People can rest assured that their old hardware has some degree of compatibility with a newer Windows version. Also their old games and applications are not rendered automatically obsolete with any new Windows version. Of course I don't mean that hardware and software working on Windows 95 should work on 11, but it SHOULD work on 98 and at least XP if not higher. While with Mac OS any new version threatens to block old devices and old applications. Maybe not from one version to the next, but certainly 2-3 versions apart. For example, the minimum requirement for Mac OS utilities, was 10.6, then went 10.8 then 10.12, then 10.15 now you are not sure, you may need Mac OS 12 or higher. Windows applications from XP still work in 11, and almost any Vista 64-bit or higher driver can be installed in 11. VERY convenient. When I evaluate a new Windows version, the first thing I check is compatibility, not security. Does it work on my current "old" 3rd generation system? Yes, that's a plus. Does it work on older systems? How older? Do my old favorite applications and games still work? Yes, that's a plus. No, this is bad, but as long as there is a newer version or workaround, I am OK with this. With Mac OS or Linux you never have this sort of backwards compatibility, let alone they support much less devices and applications than Windows to begin with, so this is a big disadvantage for me. As for security most of us old Windows users have learned to use our brains, unlike Linux or Mac OS users that think they are immune to viruses. Guess what? They are not immune, they are just too small user base for any hacker to spend time creating a virus for them. Hackers want to affect as many computers as possible, so they target Windows users that have much larger user base, not because it is easier to infect them. Oh, this thought never crossed your minds? You better use your brains in Linux and Mac OS too, don't rely solely on their security features. They might be a little harder to hack, but not unhackable.

Don't get me wrong... I'm the kind of guy still running Office XP. I like compatibility.

But MS spent years trying to avoid things like real file/user security, allowing programs fairly free reign to do whatever they want wherever they want, to maintain compatibility with older software and installation strategies that were used to doing that.

In later years, they finally tightened up that area, but we have now what I consider a hodgepodge i.e. things like UAC, "you need to right click and be admin", and Defender that pop up for programs or issues taking liberties. They really need to bite the bullet and tell users to sign off and sign on with an Admin account for such operations. Annoying, but sound engineering/security.

But now they're heading hard in the other direction and losing hardware compatibility with the Win 11 24H2 requirements, etc. Clearly they could provide backwards compatibility to "non conforming hardware". But they don't want to anymore.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 24H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP
    CPU
    Intel Ultra 7 155H
    Memory
    16gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Arc integrated
    Hard Drives
    SSD
Microsoft's division in charge of Windows, the "More Personal Computing Division," brings in about 21% of their revenue, about 12% of their operating income. That division includes Xbox, Bing, Copilot, advertising, etc., not just Windows. And for the part of the income that does include Windows, it includes OEMs and Enterprises, where the bulk of that money comes from.

Since July of 2016, Microsoft has required OEMs to implement and enable TPM 2.0. You built your PC yourself and without TPM 2? That's neato, but you built it out of spec. Sorry.

Anyone who thinks this is some big conspiracy between Microsoft and OEMs to do a cash grab from poor mom and pop home users probably thinks Bill Gates is still involved in writing code for Microsoft.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 24H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Intel NUC12WSHi7
    CPU
    12th Gen Intel Core i7-1260P, 2100 MHz
    Motherboard
    NUC12WSBi7
    Memory
    64 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    built-in Realtek HD audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell U3219Q
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160 @ 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 990 PRO 1TB
    Keyboard
    CODE 104-Key Mechanical with Cherry MX Clears
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Defender
Conspiracy? No.

Coordination with hardware vendors on pushing the leading edge as the only option with disregard for those home mom and pop users, yes.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 24H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP
    CPU
    Intel Ultra 7 155H
    Memory
    16gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Arc integrated
    Hard Drives
    SSD
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