Toshiba 12 TB drive -- Brilliant


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Hi folks
For backup / archive old fashioned HDD Spinners aren't dead at all

I've replaced 4 Older separate drives with one 12 TB Toshiba HDD with better / larger cache and 7200 RPM for around 290 EUR from Amazon. Don't forget all you guys even if you have NAS servers they still need their data to be backed up too.

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The price shown is for the 10TB drive -- but the 12 TB drive is 270 GBP -- export outside UK and reduce by 20% - no VAT (Aka Sales Tax) here on "Educational equipment" -- includes computer hardware -- probably the same in a load of differet jurisdictions.
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jimbo45 said:
Hi folks
For backup / archive old fashioned HDD Spinners aren't dead at all

I've replaced 4 Older separate drives with one 12 TB Toshiba HDD with better / larger cache and 7200 RPM for around 290 EUR from Amazon. Don't forget all you guys even if you have NAS servers they still need their data to be backed up too.

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The price shown is for the 10TB drive -- but the 12 TB drive is 270 GBP -- export outside UK and reduce by 20% - no VAT (Aka Sales Tax) here on "Educational equipment" -- includes computer hardware -- probably the same in a load of differet jurisdictions.
Cheers
jimbo
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I read somewhere that Drives that are over 10 TB are CMR while those that are under 10 TB are likely SMR.

CMR is better.

This helps to decide if one 12 TB CMR drive is a better buy or 3 SMR drives of 4 TB each, assuming the two options have the same price. Both options have their benefits.

For example, chances of all 3 SMR drives failing at the same time is highly unlikely. They are also more portable individually. They usually come in at 5400 rpm.

CMR drives are usually powered by external power supply, and therefore less portable. But they usually come in at 7200 rpm, and give better performance, reliability and longiviity.
 

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I have a 2TB NAS drive storage and two 2TB external drives (6TB total) connected to it that I haven't filled up for the past 8 years. Unless you are a content creator or pirated movies collector, 12TB is really an overkill.
 

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badrobot said:
....12TB is really an overkill.
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Really? You can never have enough backups.

When I bought my first 1TB USB HDD and plugged it into my router as a cheap NAS-equivalent I thought that would be more than enough storage to see me through for many years. Lasted just two years - then I had filled it and had to upgrade to a 2TB drive.

And then I used the old one for my system images... and then (with a few more machines to image by now) it wasn't large enough for them all so I got another 2TB one... and then for safety I got a second so that I could have more than one copy of each image... and then I started keeping the previous month's image.... and then I bought another laptop....

...and....

Well I've added them all up and was surprised to find I now have (and use) over 16TB of external storage.
 

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Bree said:
Really? You can never have enough backups.

When I bought my first 1TB USB HDD and plugged it into my router as a cheap NAS-equivalent I thought that would be more than enough storage to see me through for many years. Lasted just two years - then I had filled it and had to upgrade to a 2TB drive.

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...and....

Well I've added them all up and was surprised to find I now have (and use) over 16TB of external storage.
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Why do you collect a backup image? You are only supposed to make them before a major update in case something goes wrong and keep them only until the next update and delete them and make a new one. You don't want to go back to a very old image. I do have a very old image which is a clean image after a clean installation but that is it. I do have a 2TB drive (separate from my NAS) for backup image but it never got full. I just keep 2 latest back-up image at the most for each of my machine.
And my data is also separate so my images are fairly small in size.

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badrobot said:
Why do you collect a backup image? You are only supposed to make them before a major update in case something goes wrong and keep them only until the next update and delete them and make a new one. You don't want to go back to a very old image.
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Actually there have been a couple of occasions when I did need to go back to an older image. Twice now I've needed to restore an image that was at least three or four months old. Just once in a while a corruption can creep in and lie dormant until a CU triggers it to cause mayhem ;)
 

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