Trackball mechanical question


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Not a Win 11 question but hopefully someone can help with a problem. I've used Logitech M535 trackballs for years. I find that after using for a while the ball develops some resistance and does not turn as smoothly as when new. Still very usable but just takes a little effort.

Can anyone suggest a cure? Possibly some type of "lubricant" for the ball?
 

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Pull the track ball out clean, also clean the 3 ball bearings that it sits on. You might need IPA or similar to help with the cleaning.
Lubrication comes off your fingers in use.
 

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I pull the ball and swab the sensor points and the inside with a q-tip. It will have to be done periodically.
 

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Assuming you keep it clean inside.

Pop the ball out and inspect the tiny ball bearings with a magnifying glass. Look for flat spots on the bearings.

I use a Microsoft Trackball Optical D67-00001 and have replaced the steel bearings with silicone nitride bearings.

You can also use Mothers Ceramic Detailer on the ball after cleaning it.
 

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Is there any hair stuck in the bearings?

More than 20 years ago, I was checking out my nephew's PC. The mechanical mouse's operation wasn't smooth. I removed the ball, and found an amazing amount of hair in the mouse. (He also was infected with a homepage hijacker. He killed it in Task Manager on every login. His 40GB HDD was too full to be defragged.)
 

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Thanks for all the suggestions. I frequently pop the ball out and clean the cavity area and the ball. I've never had visible hair or dirt in it. It's located in a clean environment.

I'm beginning to think that as much as it is used that maybe the little bearings that the ball floats on may become worn to the point that the ball is actually starting to drag (as stated in post # 4) on the cavity, creating resistance.

I have found that after about 2 years of usage the switch in the left button starts to deteriorate and this requires replacement of the trackball, so maybe between that and the ball it's just time for a replacement.
 

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Kensington trackballs, which I have used for many years, have no bearings and need no lubrication.
 

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Thanks for all the suggestions. I frequently pop the ball out and clean the cavity area and the ball. I've never had visible hair or dirt in it. It's located in a clean environment.

I'm beginning to think that as much as it is used that maybe the little bearings that the ball floats on may become worn to the point that the ball is actually starting to drag (as stated in post # 4) on the cavity, creating resistance.

I have found that after about 2 years of usage the switch in the left button starts to deteriorate and this requires replacement of the trackball, so maybe between that and the ball it's just time for a replacement.

You can replace the switches too, if you have the tools and know how. I replace them all the time in my mouse and my Razer Tartarus'.

Your mouse however, Logitech makes a new one almost identical to it. I'd just buy a new one.

I have one of those M535 (It's on the garage laptop), it's too small for my hand which is why I rebuild my old Microsoft mouse.
 

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    Cooler Master Elite 430 Mid Tower
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    Cooler Master ML240L V2 Liquid CPU cooler + 3x120mm in + Isolated PSU Standard upward flow
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    Microsoft Natural Elite White PS/2 (with usb adapter)
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    Microsoft D67-00001 Trackball Optical Mouse (rebuilt with ceramic bearings)
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I would be interested in replacing the switches in several old trackballs but have no clue as to a source for them of if if would be cost effective.

I'm trying to determine if the "ball bearings" actually roll or if they are just 3 supports for the ball. They are so small it's difficult to tell if they are actually rolling or not.
 

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I would be interested in replacing the switches in several old trackballs but have no clue as to a source for them of if if would be cost effective.

I'm trying to determine if the "ball bearings" actually roll or if they are just 3 supports for the ball. They are so small it's difficult to tell if they are actually rolling or not.
Not a simple job. I do it because I can't find a suitable replacement for my ancient Microsoft mouse. I would rebuild one you don't count on the first time.

Note: During disassembly the plastic bosses the screws screw into can break. I've been lucky enough to find some replacement mice on Ebay and I just put my rebuilt ball carrier in them.

The bearings do not roll, they are just pressed in a hole. To remove mine I had to drill a tiny hole, just big enough for a small paperclip, smaller than the bearing, through the plastic behind them so I could push them out. You should be able to find the right size replacements, after measuring them, on Amazon "Amazon.com".

My AI tells me your mouse uses the "Huano Mute White Dot 2 Pin" (That's the search phrase you use on Aliexpress) You'll have to take a good look at one of yours and verify you can find a correct replacement. Aliexpress is the only place I can find mine.
 

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    Rosewill Hive-750S
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    Cooler Master Elite 430 Mid Tower
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    Cooler Master ML240L V2 Liquid CPU cooler + 3x120mm in + Isolated PSU Standard upward flow
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    Microsoft Natural Elite White PS/2 (with usb adapter)
    Mouse
    Microsoft D67-00001 Trackball Optical Mouse (rebuilt with ceramic bearings)
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    450Mb/s hard wired
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    Win Def
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    Razer Tartarus V2 Gaming Keypad
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    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    MSI
    CPU
    Intel Core i9-14900K Raptor Lake Refreshed 6.0 GHz FCLGA1700 (Gen 14)
    Motherboard
    MSI MAG Z790 Tomahawk WiFi
    Memory
    32GB (2x16) GSKILL Trident Z5 RGB Series (Intel XMP 3.0) DDR5 RAM 6700MT/s
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    MSI Gaming GeForce RTX 3060Ti 8GB
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    Onboard Realtek® ALC4080 Codec
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    Monitor #1 Samsung Odyssey G50A WQHD G-Sync HDR10 Monitor #2 Samsung TU7000 55" TV
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    2560x1440 and 3840x2160
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    Samsung 980 PRO SSD 1TB PCIe 4.0 NVMe Gen 4 Gaming M.2 (System)
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    Rosewill Hive-750S
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    Cooler Master N400 NSE-400-KKN2 Mid-Tower
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    Cooler Master ML240L V2 Liquid CPU cooler + 3x120mm in + 2x120mm + Isolated PSU Reverse flow front exhaust
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    Logitech MK345 Wireless
    Mouse
    MSI G20 Elite and Logitech MK345 Wireless
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    450Mb/s hard wired
    Browser
    FF
    Antivirus
    Win Def
    Other Info
    Razer Tartarus Gaming Keypad
    MSI GC30 Gaming Controller (Xbox style)
Not a simple job. I do it because I can't find a suitable replacement for my ancient Microsoft mouse. I would rebuild one you don't count on the first time.

Note: During disassembly the plastic bosses the screws screw into can break. I've been lucky enough to find some replacement mice on Ebay and I just put my rebuilt ball carrier in them.

The bearings do not roll, they are just pressed in a hole. To remove mine I had to drill a tiny hole, just big enough for a small paperclip, smaller than the bearing, through the plastic behind them so I could push them out. You should be able to find the right size replacements, after measuring them, on Amazon "Amazon.com".

My AI tells me your mouse uses the "Huano Mute White Dot 2 Pin" (That's the search phrase you use on Aliexpress) You'll have to take a good look at one of yours and verify you can find a correct replacement. Aliexpress is the only place I can find mine

Not a simple job. I do it because I can't find a suitable replacement for my ancient Microsoft mouse. I would rebuild one you don't count on the first time.

Note: During disassembly the plastic bosses the screws screw into can break. I've been lucky enough to find some replacement mice on Ebay and I just put my rebuilt ball carrier in them.

The bearings do not roll, they are just pressed in a hole. To remove mine I had to drill a tiny hole, just big enough for a small paperclip, smaller than the bearing, through the plastic behind them so I could push them out. You should be able to find the right size replacements, after measuring them, on Amazon "Amazon.com".

My AI tells me your mouse uses the "Huano Mute White Dot 2 Pin" (That's the search phrase you use on Aliexpress) You'll have to take a good look at one of yours and verify you can find a correct replacement. Aliexpress is the only place I can find mine.

I applaud your spending the time to bring your trackball back to life. I too like to make repairs but in this case I doubt I'd go that far to revive mine. Probably would just buy a new one since they usually last me several years.

I've always used this model Logitech trackball but I'm tempted to try one of the other brands as long as they are physically the same layout as the Logitech. I may well be disappointed but I'd like to see how the others are constructed, and how the ball and switches hold up. There is one on Amazon right now for $25 so I wouldn't be out much if they don't work out.
 

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