Updating Drivers?


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    11 Home
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    Medion S15450
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    Intel Iris Xe
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I take it you hesitate installing the stock drivers just in case they don't work and you need customized drivers from manufacturer. Well, this is the exception, not the rule. How many times have you tried to install the stock drivers? From these how many times you actually have seen a warning message that you should better install the manufacturer drivers? I install stock drivers every time and among the hundreds of computers I have seen this warning very few times. We are talking about Windows systems here, not Apple or whatever. And yes, an OEM like Dell or HP might have more chances to customize their hardware to get better performance, but this usually is reserved for the higher range models and it is not the rule.
 

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System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 64-bit (build 22631.3155)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
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    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
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    VDSL 50 Mbps
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    MICROSOFT EDGE
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    WINDOWS DEFENDER
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    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v23H2 (build 22631.3155)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    Gainward NE5105T018G1-1070F (nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Patriot Burst Elite 480GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
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    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
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    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
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    Stock Intel CPU Fan, 1x 8cm fan at the back
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    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
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    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
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    100Mbps
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    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
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    Microsoft Windows Defender
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    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
Stock/MS/Windows drivers for AMD GPU do not install Adrenalin SW just some small stupid APP and are 2-3 generations late. Realtek sound drivers are just that, drivers without most control. Just some examples.
 

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    W10 and Insider Dev.+ Linux Mint
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    Home brewed
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    AMD Ryzen 9 7900x
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    ASROCK b650 PRO rs
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    2x8GB Kingston 6000MHz, Cl 32
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    Gigabyte Rx 6600XT Gaming OC 8G Pro
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    MB, Realtek Ac1220p
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    2 x 27"
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    1080p
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    Samsung 970 evo Plus 500GB, Samsung 960 evo250GB, Crucial P1 NVMe 1TB, Lexar NVMe 2 TB, Silicon Power NVMe 500GB
    PSU
    Seasonic 750W
    Case
    Custom Raidmax
    Cooling
    Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360mm
    Internet Speed
    20/19 mbps
With some of the information (mis) going on here, all I can say is thank god some of you aren't building my PCs :eek1:

BTW @CountMike's post above in on point.
 

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    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (Build 22631.3007)
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    PC/Desktop
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    Custom built
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    Intel i9-9900K
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte Aorus Z390 Xtreme
    Memory
    32G (4x8) DDR4 Corsair RGB Dominator Platinum (3600Mhz)
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    Radeon VII
    Sound Card
    Onboard (ESS Sabre HiFi using Realtek drivers)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    NEC PA242w (24 inch)
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1200
    Hard Drives
    5 Samsung SSD drives: 2X 970 NVME (512 & 1TB), 3X EVO SATA (2X 2TB, 1X 1TB)
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    EVGA Super Nova I000 G2 (1000 watt)
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    Cooler Master H500M
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    Windows Security
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    System used for gaming, photography, audiophile media center, work.
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    Win 10 Pro 22H2 (build 19045.2130)
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    PC/Desktop
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    Custom Built
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    Intel i7-7700K
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    Gigabyte GA-Z270X-GAMING 8
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    32G (4x8) DDR4 Corsair Dominator Platinum (3333Mhz)
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    AMD Radeon R9 Fury
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    Onboard (Creative Sound Blaster certified ZxRi)
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    Dell U2415 (24 inch)
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    1920 x 1200
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    3 Samsung SSD drives: 1x 512gig 950 NVMe drive (OS drive), 1 x 512gig 850 Pro, 1x 256gig 840 Pro.
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    EVGA Super Nova 1000 P2 (1000 watt)
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    Phantek Enthoo Luxe
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    Corsair H100i
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    Logitech MX Master
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    Logitech MK 710
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    100MB
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    Edge Chromium
    Antivirus
    Windows Security
    Other Info
    This is my backup system.
The fan fact, windows update database contains the newest drives (with a delay), MS has to certify them (WHQL),

Late responding to this, but this so very wrong. MS does no such thing. It is entirely up to the hardware manufacturer (or whoever wrote the driver) to pass WHQL,

Driver packages that pass Windows Hardware Lab Kit (HLK) testing can be digitally-signed by WHQL. If your driver package is digitally-signed by WHQL, it can be distributed through the Windows Update program or other Microsoft-supported distribution mechanisms.

Obtaining a WHQL release signature is part of the Windows Hardware Lab Kit (HLK). A WHQL release signature consists of a digitally-signed catalog file. The digital signature does not change the driver binary files or the INF file that you submit for testing.


If it doesn't pass the HLK then it doesn't get the WHQL designation. If the driver passes the HLK then it is nothing more than a formality to it getting WHQL'ed.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    Ryzen 5 3600
    Motherboard
    MSI B550 Tomahawk
    Memory
    Patriot Viper 4 Blackout Series 3600 2x8GB
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    Sapphire RX 5600 XT
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    Philips 278E1A
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    3840x2160
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    XPG SX8200 240GB M.2 PCIe Gen3x4 NVMe
    Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB
    Seagate 500 GB
    WD Black SN750 500GB
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    EVGA SuperNOVA 650 G3
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    Deepcool CK500WH
    Cooling
    Deepcool Castle 280EX, plus 3 140 MM case fans (2 in front, 1 in rear)
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    Logitech G213 Prodigy
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    Logitech 305
With some of the information (mis) going on here, all I can say is thank god some of you aren't building my PCs :eek1:

BTW @CountMike's post above in on point.

No kidding. Most if not all manufacturer drivers are closed sourced. All any OEM (system builder, laptop, etc.) can do is take what the hardware manufacturer puts out and modifies the INF file(s) that come with the driver files. They in no way have access to the actual driver files themselves.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    Ryzen 5 3600
    Motherboard
    MSI B550 Tomahawk
    Memory
    Patriot Viper 4 Blackout Series 3600 2x8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Sapphire RX 5600 XT
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Philips 278E1A
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160
    Hard Drives
    XPG SX8200 240GB M.2 PCIe Gen3x4 NVMe
    Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB
    Seagate 500 GB
    WD Black SN750 500GB
    PSU
    EVGA SuperNOVA 650 G3
    Case
    Deepcool CK500WH
    Cooling
    Deepcool Castle 280EX, plus 3 140 MM case fans (2 in front, 1 in rear)
    Keyboard
    Logitech G213 Prodigy
    Mouse
    Logitech 305
I ask again, how often anyone has seen this warning that he better install the manufacturer drivers? I don't see it too often. Also I was referring to official Intel/AMD/nVidia etc drivers, not to the absolute basic installed by Windows Update. Yes, the official AMD graphics drivers from AMD's download site does install all features including the Catalyst Control Center, that's why I recommend to download that first and then the manufacturer drivers, if needed.
 

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System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 64-bit (build 22631.3155)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v23H2 (build 22631.3155)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    Gainward NE5105T018G1-1070F (nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Patriot Burst Elite 480GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Stock Intel CPU Fan, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
I take it you hesitate installing the stock drivers just in case they don't work and you need customized drivers from manufacturer.
No, I don't. Rather, I often tend to test them both (in situations where both are available of course). But like I said, the symptoms that can potentially occur as a result of wrongly choosing to use generic drivers where customized drivers [that truly are customized as opposed to are just a differently packaged, older/outdated version of the generic drivers] should be used do not necessarily always seem like they can be easily associated with the actual device component [that these generic drivers are wrongly assumed to be designed for]. Partly as a result, these potential issues may become more difficult to identify and troubleshoot. The time and effort spent on testing might not usually be worth. However, there have been numerous occasions in the past when that hasn't stopped me from doing it anyway... “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man” ~ George Bernard Shaw
Well, this is the exception, not the rule.
I already know that, and I never claimed the opposite. Much to the contrary: Latest Intel Graphics Driver for Windows 11 The point was that it can still happen nevertheless, and when it does, a lot of time and effort might be wasted simply due to not knowing that it still can.
How many times have you tried to install the stock drivers?
Enough times for me to, after all the years, still keep having these horrible nightmares about it. lol
From these how many times you actually have seen a warning message that you should better install the manufacturer drivers?
Such a warning does not necessarily always appear when it probably should. Ever since I bought my current laptop (see my specs) a little over 3 years ago, the warning from Intel that I earlier mentioned has been popping up in the Intel Driver & Support Assistant every time for me except only once or twice.
I install stock drivers every time and among the hundreds of computers I have seen this warning very few times.
Again, it doesn't necessarily always pop up each time when it probably should.
We are talking about Windows systems here, not Apple or whatever. And yes, an OEM like Dell or HP might have more chances to customize their hardware to get better performance, but this usually is reserved for the higher range models and it is not the rule.
I still fail to see your point. My point was to just eliminate the lottery system as much as possible, and to at least consider, to some reasonable extent, to also reduce the potential risk of having to jump through burning hoops where it is possible to be reduced.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Medion S15450
    CPU
    i5 1135G7
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    2TB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
A potential issue due to using the stock drivers instead of the custom driver of manufacturer would be seen within the first days of use. After months it can perfectly be anything else, why it would be due to the driver? Most likely Windows Update would have replaced with the official working drivers. The first sign you have of trouble, which should be seen very soon, just uninstall the official driver and install the custom. I just have seen too many times that the manufacturer simply has older versions of the official driver on their website. Why bother installing nVidia version 510, for example, and not download version 540 directly from nVidia? If you don't want to risk, don't, but keep in mind you are using older drivers with high probability that Windows Update will try to replace and mess your system. On the other hand, having the latest official drivers render Windows Update obsolete you eliminate that chance.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 64-bit (build 22631.3155)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v23H2 (build 22631.3155)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    Gainward NE5105T018G1-1070F (nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Patriot Burst Elite 480GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Stock Intel CPU Fan, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
LOL - okay, do as you wish. It's your system after all.
True but this does not detract from the fact your post is pure nonsense LOL.

So do things the hard way as you wish. It's your system after all.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 Pro + others in VHDs
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Vivobook 14
    CPU
    I7
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    N/A
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Optane NVME SSD, 1 TB NVME SSD
    PSU
    Yep, got one
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois
    Keyboard
    Built in
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wired
    Internet Speed
    72 Mb/s :-(
    Browser
    Edge mostly
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0
Disable the function in BIOS "MSI Driver Utility Installer", for other OEMs may be called differently (for desktops).

"Enables or disables MSI Driver Utility support. If enabled, platform drivers will be automatically downloaded via Windows Update after the first installation of the operating system"
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Microsoft Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    MSI MS-7D98
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-13490F
    Motherboard
    MSI B760 GAMING PLUS WIFI
    Memory
    2 x 16 Patriot Memory (PDP Systems) PSD516G560081
    Graphics Card(s)
    GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 4070 WINDFORCE OC 12G (GV-N4070WF3OC-12GD)
    Sound Card
    Bluetooth Аудио
    Monitor(s) Displays
    INNOCN 15K1F
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    WD_BLACK SN770 250GB
    KINGSTON SNV2S1000G (ELFK0S.6)
    PSU
    Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 1000W
    Case
    CG560 - DeepCool
    Cooling
    ID-COOLING SE-224-XTS / 2 x 140Mm Fan - rear and top; 3 x 120Mm - front
    Keyboard
    Corsair K70 RGB TKL
    Mouse
    Corsair KATAR PRO XT
    Internet Speed
    100 Mbps
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Defender Antivirus
    Other Info
    https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/66553205

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec B746
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-10700K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4/ax
    Memory
    16GB (8GB PC4-19200 DDR4 SDRAM x2)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 TI
    Sound Card
    Realtek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung SAM0A87 Samsung SAM0D32
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    NVMe WDC WDS100T2B0C-00PXH0 1TB
    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB
    PSU
    750 Watts (62.5A)
    Case
    PowerSpec/Lian Li ATX 205
    Keyboard
    Logitech K270
    Mouse
    Logitech M185
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge and Firefox
    Antivirus
    ESET Internet Security
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec G156
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-8400 CPU @ 2.80GHz
    Motherboard
    AsusTeK Prime B360M-S
    Memory
    16 MB DDR 4-2666
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23" Speptre HDMI 75Hz
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 EVO 500GB NVMe
    Mouse
    Logitek M185
    Keyboard
    Logitek K270
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge and Edge Canary
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
If ain't broken mess with it until it breaks. That's exactly how many of us learned to repair computers. I tested anything new on my own computer and it was a matter of time until I saw a nice BSOD. But then I discovered the fix, so next time my friends and later my customers had the same issue I knew exactly what to do.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 64-bit (build 22631.3155)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v23H2 (build 22631.3155)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    Gainward NE5105T018G1-1070F (nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Patriot Burst Elite 480GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Stock Intel CPU Fan, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
A potential issue due to using the stock drivers instead of the custom driver of manufacturer would be seen within the first days of use.
Sometimes yes, sometimes no. It all really depends.
After months it can perfectly be anything else, why it would be due to the driver?
It can perfectly be anything else including something that was already present elsewhere within the system before you got to the point where you installed the driver. Just like it can perfectly be anything including something "non-else" that stays under the proverbial radar for weeks, months or who knows maybe even for years. Even if you didn't choose the wrong drivers, problems can still occur, and can also occur in such a way that symptoms go undetected for a relatively much longer period of use than what commonly is considered to be a common period, if you are a common user. Commonly.

Long-term servicing (LTS) is a concept that tries to take into account the fact that not all important problems (and problems the importance of which might be unknown or might not fully be known/understood) can be identified (and mitigated/resolved) within the first few days or weeks after an update occurs that either causes the problems or causes hidden, yet existing, other problems to be discovered/triggered (but possibly not yet be identified). There's typically always a certain level of unpredictability involved with erratic behavior patterns, and that can also be severe.

The main takeaway re "the first days versus months after" is that some symptoms can be so sporadic that they obfuscate real problems and risks. Even if it does turn out that an issue is seen within the first days of use, this still doesn't guarantee that the issue is somehow related to the drivers, and, the simple fact that issues can remain unseen for prolonged periods of use also doesn't guarantee that issues aren't real, which is important because issues can cause additional issues due to chain of events. The chance of there being issues might be small, but the consequence might not be small.
Most likely Windows Update would have replaced with the official working drivers.
Not really. On my laptop Windows Update just rolls back the graphics driver to an old version each time after I install the new one, either via the Intel Driver & Support Assistant or via downloading and installing the driver package from the Intel Download Center. Windows* Update Keeps Rolling Back Graphics Driver to a Previous...
After Windows Update rolls back the driver (which it does automatically, immediately after I choose to open Windows Update), I install the aforementioned downloaded package from the Download Center again, to undo that automatic rollback. So as a result, your suggestion doesn't make a difference.
The first sign you have of trouble, which should be seen very soon, just uninstall the official driver and install the custom.
The "official" driver is the customized one, unless the support engineers specifically stated otherwise or they made it clear that there isn't a customized one, which boils down to the same (or kind of).
I just have seen too many times that the manufacturer simply has older versions of the official driver on their website.
Scroll up. I already said that. Again, to verify that this is what the manufacturer has been doing for the specific product you have, you can inspect the contents of the two different driver packages in question, to compare the files therein, i.e. by doing a file compare after extracting the files. fc
Why bother installing nVidia version 510, for example, and not download version 540 directly from nVidia? If you don't want to risk, don't, but keep in mind you are using older drivers with high probability that Windows Update will try to replace and mess your system. On the other hand, having the latest official drivers render Windows Update obsolete you eliminate that chance.
I never said that choosing to use older drivers is always a good idea. Just like I also never said that choosing to use the latest drivers is always a good idea. There used to be a time (which started more than 17 years ago) when I had to switch back and forth between the customized driver from Asus and the generic one from Nvidia. This was because the VIVO (Video In Video Out) feature of my GeForce 7800 GTX TOP required the customized one whereas certain games required the generic one because it was newer.

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There is no point keep arguing and confusing other posters further. I agree that to play safe you stick with the manufacturer driver (Asus in your case), but since these drivers have to be thoroughly tested by the manufacturer they usually are an older version of the device manufacturer driver (nVidia). If anyone is willing to take the "risk" and use the latest nVidia driver, is up to the computer user.
 

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    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
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    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
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    Acer Extensa 5630
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    4GB
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    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
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    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
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    Custom-built PC
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    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
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    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
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    Gainward NE5105T018G1-1070F (nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5)
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    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
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    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
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    100Mbps
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    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
There is no point keep arguing and confusing other posters further.
Then why do you keep arguing and confusing other posters further?
I agree that to play safe you stick with the manufacturer driver (Asus in your case),
I never said that the intent of that is to play it safe. It can be, but certainly isn't always, as new generic drivers can still offer new fixes that older customized drivers lack. Whereas the older customized drivers can offer the kind of customizations that fix certain compatibility issues, which should be trivial if the new generic ones either are not supported or are supported only partially of course. The facts don't change depending on whether it is rare nor change depending on how rare it is if it's rare. They simply don't change, and that is regardless of what or who it is that you agree with. Full end of story.
but since these drivers have to be thoroughly tested by the manufacturer they usually are an older version of the device manufacturer driver (nVidia). If anyone is willing to take the "risk" and use the latest nVidia driver, is up to the computer user.
Again, scroll up... I already said all that. I haven't got a clue what you must be getting at here.
 

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    Intel Iris Xe
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    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
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    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
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    3840×2160
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    2TB SSD internal
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    Logitech K800
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    FF
You must have the last word? So be it.
 

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    Laptop
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    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
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    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
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    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
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    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
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    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v23H2 (build 22631.3155)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    Gainward NE5105T018G1-1070F (nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Patriot Burst Elite 480GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Stock Intel CPU Fan, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
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    Microsoft Windows Defender
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    Intel Iris Xe
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    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    2TB SSD internal
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    Li-ion
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    Logitech K800
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    Logitech G402
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    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
This thread has completely lost the plot an bears no resemblance to original post.

No matter what diverse opinions are expressed, the one fact that is absolutely true is something like a billion people get their drivers updated by Windows update without any issues.

People who have a deep knowledge of drivers may beg to differ, but they POMPOUSLY claim Windows update is rubbish without offering any sound advice to the 1,000,000,000 users of which I bet 99% have little idea of what they should ALLEGEDLY do anyway.

Does it not occur to these guys that if Windows driver updates was so bad, the media would be tearing MS apart?

The proof of the pudding is in the eating LOL.
 
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    ASUS Vivobook 14
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    I7
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    Yep, Laptop has one.
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    16 GB
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    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
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    N/A
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
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    1 TB Optane NVME SSD, 1 TB NVME SSD
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    Yep, got one
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    Yep, got one
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    Stella Artois
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    Built in
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    Bluetooth , wired
    Internet Speed
    72 Mb/s :-(
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    Edge mostly
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0
This thread has completely lost the plot an bears no resemblance to original post.

No matter what diverse opinions are expressed, the one fact that is absolutely true is something like a billion people get their drivers updated by Windows update without any issues.

People who have a deep knowledge of drivers may beg to differ, but they POMPOUSLY claim Windows update is rubbish without offering any sound advice to the 1,000,000,000 users of which I bet 99% have little idea of what they should ALLEGEDLY do anyway.

Does it not occur to these guys that if Windows driver updates was so bad, the media would be tearing MS apart?

The proof of the pudding is in the eating LOL.
I would never say that Windows Update installs crap drivers.

Old drivers, sometimes. That's mostly an issue for compulsive people. (Such as myself.)
 

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    Windows 11 22631.2861
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    homebuilt
    CPU
    Amd Threadripper 7970X
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte TRX50 Aero D
    Memory
    128GB (4 X 32) Kingston DDR5 5200 (RDIMM)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte RTX 4090 OC
    Sound Card
    none (USB to speakers), Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Philips 27E1N8900 OLED
    Screen Resolution
    3840 X 2160 @ 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Crucial T700 2TB M.2 NVME SSD
    WD 4TB Blue SATA SSD
    Seagate 18TB IronWolf Pro
    PSU
    eVGA SuperNOVA 1600 GT
    Case
    Lian Li 011 Dynamic Evo XL
    Cooling
    Alphacool Eisbaer Pro Aurora 360, with 3 Phanteks T30 fans
    Keyboard
    Logitech K120 (wired)
    Mouse
    Logitech M500s (wired)
    Internet Speed
    1200 Mbps
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    windows 11 22631.2861
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    homebuilt
    CPU
    Intel I9-13900K
    Motherboard
    Asus RoG Strix Z690-E
    Memory
    64GB G.Skill DDR5-6000
    Graphics card(s)
    Gigabyte RTX 3090 ti
    Sound Card
    built in Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus PA329C
    Screen Resolution
    3840 X 2160 @60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WDC SN850 1TB
    8 TB Seagate Ironwolf
    4TB Seagate Ironwolf
    PSU
    eVGA SuperNOVA 1300 GT
    Case
    Lian Li 011 Dynamic Evo
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    Corsair iCUE H150i ELITE CAPELLIX Liquid CPU Cooler
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    Logitech M500s (wired)
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    Logitech K120 (wired)
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