VMware Workstation 17.5.2: Win10/11 guests very slow after update from 16.2.5 on Intel 8th Gen machine?


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As title says. I've had a very good performance on 16.2.5, but after upgrading to 17.5.2 all my Windows 10 and 11 guests are very slow. I've tried running VMware as admin, disabling its process' power throttling from command prompt. All settings are OK, VMware Tools got upgraded automatically, I upgraded the hardware compatibility in VM settings to 17.5.2, but nothing makes any difference. The VMs run very slow.

I know that Intel 12+ Gen CPUs have had this problem because of efficiency cores, but this is on the 8th gen Intel CPU.

What could be the problem??

I just reverted back to Workstation 16.2.5 (after reverting the hardware compatibility of VMs to 16.2.5) and the speed is back to normal, almost as fast as the host.
 
Windows Build/Version
Windows 11 23H2

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
I'm running few VM on VMware 17.5.2 have no problem is it all your VM are slow?

Disable Side channel mitigation, see that will help.


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My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 5700G
    Motherboard
    Erica6
    Memory
    Micron Technology DDR4-3200 16GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC671
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung SyncMaster U28E590
    Screen Resolution
    3840 x 2160
    Hard Drives
    SAMSUNG MZVLQ1T0HALB-000H1
I'm having the same issue - same 8th-gen Core i7 processor. I was at VMWare Workstation Pro 17.6 then upgraded to 17.6.1, and the problem still persists. My Windows 10 VMs work just great, but Windows 11 is so slow it's unusable. Anyone have any suggestions?
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Thinkpad T480
baldguy said:
I'm having the same issue - same 8th-gen Core i7 processor. I was at VMWare Workstation Pro 17.6 then upgraded to 17.6.1, and the problem still persists. My Windows 10 VMs work just great, but Windows 11 is so slow it's unusable. Anyone have any suggestions?
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Have you got Hyper-V enabled (even if not installed)?
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro + Win11 Canary VM.
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Zenbook 14
    CPU
    I9 13th gen i9-13900H 2.60 GHZ
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB soldered
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop OLED screen
    Screen Resolution
    2880x1800 touchscreen
    Hard Drives
    1 TB NVME SSD (only weakness is only one slot)
    PSU
    Internal + 65W thunderbolt USB4 charger
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois (UK pint cans - 568 ml) - extra cost.
    Keyboard
    Built in UK keybd
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wireless dongled, wired
    Internet Speed
    900 mbs (ethernet), wifi 6 typical 350-450 mb/s both up and down
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0, 2xUSB4 thunderbolt, 1xUsb3 (usb a), 1xUsb-c, hdmi out, 3.5 mm audio out/in combo, ASUS backlit trackpad (inc. switchable number pad)

    Macrium Reflect Home V8
    Office 365 Family (6 users each 1TB onedrive space)
    Hyper-V (a vm runs almost as fast as my older laptop)
baldguy said:
I do.
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Well that is possibly the root of your issue. Vmware does not play well with the Hyper-V type 1 hypervisor (vmare being type 2).

A few years back, you had to turn the hypervisor off. However new Hyper-V apis were developed that allowed vmware to coexist with the Hyper-V hypervisor but they gave a significant performance reduction.

This is an old website but the basic principle is unchanged.

www.hanselman.com

Switch easily between VirtualBox and Hyper-V with a BCDEdit boot Entry in Windows 8.1

I've been using GenyMotion for a FAST Android Emulator when developing with ...
www.hanselman.com www.hanselman.com

It refers to virtualbox but equally applies to vmware (and windows 10/11).

I have done tests with the type 1 hypervisor on or off and it made a big impact on vmware performance.

Of course, I cannot guarantee this will solve your problem but it would be my first thing to try.

Note: if your Windows guests are Pro or better (i.e. not Home), then frankly for most cases Hyper-V is far superior to VMware in general performance.

Hyper-V is not as intuitive as vmware/virtualbox but after a bit of a learning curve I (and many forum members) prefer Hyper-V.

One major plus of Hyper-V is that its vhdx files can also be native booted (providing vhdx has suitable host drivers).
 
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My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro + Win11 Canary VM.
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Zenbook 14
    CPU
    I9 13th gen i9-13900H 2.60 GHZ
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB soldered
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop OLED screen
    Screen Resolution
    2880x1800 touchscreen
    Hard Drives
    1 TB NVME SSD (only weakness is only one slot)
    PSU
    Internal + 65W thunderbolt USB4 charger
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois (UK pint cans - 568 ml) - extra cost.
    Keyboard
    Built in UK keybd
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wireless dongled, wired
    Internet Speed
    900 mbs (ethernet), wifi 6 typical 350-450 mb/s both up and down
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0, 2xUSB4 thunderbolt, 1xUsb3 (usb a), 1xUsb-c, hdmi out, 3.5 mm audio out/in combo, ASUS backlit trackpad (inc. switchable number pad)

    Macrium Reflect Home V8
    Office 365 Family (6 users each 1TB onedrive space)
    Hyper-V (a vm runs almost as fast as my older laptop)
Turned off Hyper-V on my host (laptop) and it made no difference. Any other suggestions?
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Thinkpad T480
I got around the issue with a workaround that works perfectly for me: I quit trying to use VMWare Workstation Pro for Windows 11 hosts. I used Hyper-V (since it IS free) and it works like a champ. And I no longer care why VMWare Workstation didn't work. I just needed to create a couple of local Windows 11 guests that I can use for contract work, and I've now done that and they run great. I still have ESXi on my server for my big VMs, but HyperV is perfect for me for this particular case.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Thinkpad T480
Personally I use Virtualbox to run windows OS's. It works better on my system.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Professional l Linux Mint l ChromeOS tripple boot
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion X360 Convertible
    CPU
    Core i5 processor
    Motherboard
    Hewert-Packkard
    Memory
    8gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel® Integrated SoC
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD Audio Driver
    Screen Resolution
    15.6"
    Hard Drives
    500GB SSD
    Mouse
    Custom Wireless Mouse
    Internet Speed
    256 mbps DL 8-10 mbps UL
    Browser
    Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
  • Operating System
    Linux Mint 22
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    macOS mid 2012 macbook pro
    CPU
    Intel Celeron N4020C
    Motherboard
    Intel
    Memory
    16GB DDR4 Ram
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Celeron
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD Audio
    Hard Drives
    256G Timetec SSD
    Internet Speed
    400mbps
    Browser
    Google Chrome
JesseRBassett said:
Personally I use Virtualbox to run windows OS's. It works better on my system.
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Are you sure - I have never seen virtualbox outperform hyper-V with Windows guests. I never use Windows Home guests on Hyper-V though as you cannot get sound as Home does not have RDP server ability.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro + Win11 Canary VM.
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Zenbook 14
    CPU
    I9 13th gen i9-13900H 2.60 GHZ
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB soldered
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop OLED screen
    Screen Resolution
    2880x1800 touchscreen
    Hard Drives
    1 TB NVME SSD (only weakness is only one slot)
    PSU
    Internal + 65W thunderbolt USB4 charger
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois (UK pint cans - 568 ml) - extra cost.
    Keyboard
    Built in UK keybd
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wireless dongled, wired
    Internet Speed
    900 mbs (ethernet), wifi 6 typical 350-450 mb/s both up and down
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0, 2xUSB4 thunderbolt, 1xUsb3 (usb a), 1xUsb-c, hdmi out, 3.5 mm audio out/in combo, ASUS backlit trackpad (inc. switchable number pad)

    Macrium Reflect Home V8
    Office 365 Family (6 users each 1TB onedrive space)
    Hyper-V (a vm runs almost as fast as my older laptop)
cereberus said:
Are you sure - I have never seen virtualbox outperform hyper-V with Windows guests. I never use Windows Home guests on Hyper-V though as you cannot get sound as Home does not have RDP server ability.
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I am sure. If your ram capacity is higher than 4GB you'll be fine using Virtualbox.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Professional l Linux Mint l ChromeOS tripple boot
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion X360 Convertible
    CPU
    Core i5 processor
    Motherboard
    Hewert-Packkard
    Memory
    8gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel® Integrated SoC
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD Audio Driver
    Screen Resolution
    15.6"
    Hard Drives
    500GB SSD
    Mouse
    Custom Wireless Mouse
    Internet Speed
    256 mbps DL 8-10 mbps UL
    Browser
    Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
  • Operating System
    Linux Mint 22
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    macOS mid 2012 macbook pro
    CPU
    Intel Celeron N4020C
    Motherboard
    Intel
    Memory
    16GB DDR4 Ram
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Celeron
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD Audio
    Hard Drives
    256G Timetec SSD
    Internet Speed
    400mbps
    Browser
    Google Chrome
cereberus said:
I have never seen virtualbox outperform hyper-V with Windows guests.
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Neither have I.
I use VMWare now though for the same reasons mentioned, especially the lack of audio in Linux/GNU.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro for Workstations
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. TUF Gaming FX705GM
    CPU
    2.20 gigahertz Intel i7-8750H Hyper-threaded 12 cores
    Motherboard
    ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. FX705GM 1.0
    Memory
    24428 Megabytes
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel(R) UHD Graphics 630 / NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060
    Sound Card
    Intel(R) Display Audio / Realtek(R) Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Integrated Monitor (17.3"vis)
    Screen Resolution
    FHD 1920X1080 16:9
    Hard Drives
    2 SSD SATA/NVM Express 1.3
    WDS500G2B0A-00SM50 500.1 GB
    WDCSDAPNUW-1002 256 GB
    PSU
    19V DC 6.32 A 120 W
    Cooling
    Dual Fans
    Mouse
    MS Bluetooth
    Internet Speed
    Fiber 1GB Cox -us & 400MB Orange-fr
    Browser
    Edge Canary- Firefox Nightly-Chrome Dev
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    VMs of Windows 11 stable/Beta/Dev/Canary
    VM of XeroLinux- Arch based & Debian 12
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Insider Canary
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS X751BP
    CPU
    AMD Dual Core A6-9220
    Motherboard
    ASUS
    Memory
    8 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    AMD Radeon R5 M420
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17.3
    Screen Resolution
    1600X900 16:9
    Hard Drives
    1TB 5400RPM
JesseRBassett said:
I am sure. If your ram capacity is higher than 4GB you'll be fine using Virtualbox.
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Have you actually used Hyper-V. On all tests I have done with passmark, it far out performs virtualbox for general windows guests, as it is a type1 hypervisor, not type 2?

I would never run a vm unless host has at least 8GB, and preferably 16 GB or more.
Guests can cope with 4GB Ram but better 6-8 GB minimum.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro + Win11 Canary VM.
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Zenbook 14
    CPU
    I9 13th gen i9-13900H 2.60 GHZ
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB soldered
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop OLED screen
    Screen Resolution
    2880x1800 touchscreen
    Hard Drives
    1 TB NVME SSD (only weakness is only one slot)
    PSU
    Internal + 65W thunderbolt USB4 charger
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois (UK pint cans - 568 ml) - extra cost.
    Keyboard
    Built in UK keybd
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wireless dongled, wired
    Internet Speed
    900 mbs (ethernet), wifi 6 typical 350-450 mb/s both up and down
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0, 2xUSB4 thunderbolt, 1xUsb3 (usb a), 1xUsb-c, hdmi out, 3.5 mm audio out/in combo, ASUS backlit trackpad (inc. switchable number pad)

    Macrium Reflect Home V8
    Office 365 Family (6 users each 1TB onedrive space)
    Hyper-V (a vm runs almost as fast as my older laptop)
OAT said:
Neither have I.
I use VMWare now though for the same reasons mentioned, especially the lack of audio in Linux/GNU.
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You can get sound in Linux for some distros (Ubuntu, Kali) but getting sound to sync with audio on videos is a challenge.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro + Win11 Canary VM.
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Zenbook 14
    CPU
    I9 13th gen i9-13900H 2.60 GHZ
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB soldered
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop OLED screen
    Screen Resolution
    2880x1800 touchscreen
    Hard Drives
    1 TB NVME SSD (only weakness is only one slot)
    PSU
    Internal + 65W thunderbolt USB4 charger
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois (UK pint cans - 568 ml) - extra cost.
    Keyboard
    Built in UK keybd
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wireless dongled, wired
    Internet Speed
    900 mbs (ethernet), wifi 6 typical 350-450 mb/s both up and down
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0, 2xUSB4 thunderbolt, 1xUsb3 (usb a), 1xUsb-c, hdmi out, 3.5 mm audio out/in combo, ASUS backlit trackpad (inc. switchable number pad)

    Macrium Reflect Home V8
    Office 365 Family (6 users each 1TB onedrive space)
    Hyper-V (a vm runs almost as fast as my older laptop)
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cereberus said:
You can get sound in Linux for some distros (Ubuntu, Kali) but getting sound to sync with audio on videos is a challenge.
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Been there and done that.
But using Arch & Debian at the moment, so much simpler with Workstation Pro, especially now that it's free.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro for Workstations
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. TUF Gaming FX705GM
    CPU
    2.20 gigahertz Intel i7-8750H Hyper-threaded 12 cores
    Motherboard
    ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. FX705GM 1.0
    Memory
    24428 Megabytes
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel(R) UHD Graphics 630 / NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060
    Sound Card
    Intel(R) Display Audio / Realtek(R) Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Integrated Monitor (17.3"vis)
    Screen Resolution
    FHD 1920X1080 16:9
    Hard Drives
    2 SSD SATA/NVM Express 1.3
    WDS500G2B0A-00SM50 500.1 GB
    WDCSDAPNUW-1002 256 GB
    PSU
    19V DC 6.32 A 120 W
    Cooling
    Dual Fans
    Mouse
    MS Bluetooth
    Internet Speed
    Fiber 1GB Cox -us & 400MB Orange-fr
    Browser
    Edge Canary- Firefox Nightly-Chrome Dev
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    VMs of Windows 11 stable/Beta/Dev/Canary
    VM of XeroLinux- Arch based & Debian 12
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Insider Canary
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS X751BP
    CPU
    AMD Dual Core A6-9220
    Motherboard
    ASUS
    Memory
    8 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    AMD Radeon R5 M420
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17.3
    Screen Resolution
    1600X900 16:9
    Hard Drives
    1TB 5400RPM
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