why I hate windows 11 feedback


robmar0se

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I work as freelance support engineer I can support all systems from XP upwards, most on a multiboot system. Initislly i upgrded a Win 10 system to Win 11 to familiarise myself with thye new OS.

It appears as in the past Microsoft delivers a new OS which is a mish-mash XP to Vista; Win 7 to 8, and now Win 10mto 11. Is there a pattern here?

This isn't a comprehensive list, but there appears to be some arrogancy in Microsofts approach, or certaibly a lack of psychology in delivering a system which appears to amke changes for the sake of change - has Microsoft hear of the old adage, "if it ain't broke don't fix it". BY all means offer new and exciting options/apps.

1. As a freelance engineer, forcing microsoft accounts on Home, (and soon of Pro?) makes life difficult if clients are away, don't want a microsft account, - Isn't an issue on upgrades. but is on new systems. Big Brother?
2. Many things in 10 which require one click require 2 in 11.
,3. More difficult to make certain apps as default, eg Chrome.
4. Tough hardeware demands is somewaht unecessary,( and arrogant). Many users will not upgrade, at least until it becomes time to buy new. Older systems life is being extended by a relatively inexpensive upgade to SSDs
5. Rather narrow sliders for scrolling, look pretty but impractical
6. Task bar issues discussed elsewhere.

This is just for starters!

PS Many clients are asking me to downgrade to Win 10
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    windows 11
🤷‍♂️Ok..
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home(RP) - 24H2 - 26100.712
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Banana Junior 5600- G Series
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 5 5600G
    Motherboard
    Asus ROG Strix B550-F
    Memory
    G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 64GB 4x16
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX TITAN X
    Monitor(s) Displays
    28" ASUS VP28U
    Screen Resolution
    1080p
    Hard Drives
    Primary SAMSUNG 970 EVO Plus
    PSU
    EVGA BQ 700w 80+ Bronze
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    Zalman i3 NEO
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    ARCTIC Freezer 7 X
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    Corsair
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    Amazon Generic with Cord
    Internet Speed
    Download: 295.11 mbps Upload: 65.35 mbps T-Mobile Internet
    Browser
    Firefox and Edge
    Antivirus
    MS - Defender
    Other Info
    Speakers: Klipsch ProMedia 2.1
Well that told us. Maybe it's just me but I have never had a problem with using a Microsoft Account ( mine is an Admin Account ) and that is all I seem to need
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware M18 R1
    CPU
    13th Gen Core i9 13900HX
    Memory
    32GB DDR5 @4800MHz 2x16GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Geforce RTX 4090HX 16GB
    Sound Card
    Nvidia HD / Realtek ALC3254
    Monitor(s) Displays
    18" QHD+
    Screen Resolution
    25660 X 1600
    Hard Drives
    C: KIOXIA (Toshiba) 2TB KXG80ZNV2T04 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD
    D: KIOXIA (Toshiba) 2TB KXG80ZNV2T04 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD
    Case
    Dark Metallic Moon
    Keyboard
    Alienware M Series per-key AlienFX RGB
    Mouse
    Alienware AW610M
    Browser
    Chrome and Firefox
    Antivirus
    Norton
    Other Info
    Killer E3000 Ethernet Controller
    Killer Killer AX1690 Wi-Fi Network Adaptor Wi-Fi 6E
    Bluetooth 5.2
    Alienware Z01G Graphic Amplifier
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware Area 51m R2
    CPU
    10th Gen i-9 10900 K
    Memory
    32Gb Dual Channel DDR4 @ 8843MHz
    Graphics card(s)
    Nvidia RTX 2080 Super
    Sound Card
    Nvidia
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    Hard Drive C: Samsung 2TB SSD PM981a NVMe
    Hard Drive D:Samsung 2TB SSD 970 EVO Plus
    Mouse
    Alienware 610M
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Norton
To the OP.. I would browse the tutorial section and you'll find many tweaks that make 11 work like 10
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home(RP) - 24H2 - 26100.712
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Banana Junior 5600- G Series
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 5 5600G
    Motherboard
    Asus ROG Strix B550-F
    Memory
    G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 64GB 4x16
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX TITAN X
    Monitor(s) Displays
    28" ASUS VP28U
    Screen Resolution
    1080p
    Hard Drives
    Primary SAMSUNG 970 EVO Plus
    PSU
    EVGA BQ 700w 80+ Bronze
    Case
    Zalman i3 NEO
    Cooling
    ARCTIC Freezer 7 X
    Keyboard
    Corsair
    Mouse
    Amazon Generic with Cord
    Internet Speed
    Download: 295.11 mbps Upload: 65.35 mbps T-Mobile Internet
    Browser
    Firefox and Edge
    Antivirus
    MS - Defender
    Other Info
    Speakers: Klipsch ProMedia 2.1
I see what you mean Jeff all mine are 2 SSD machines except the main household one which has SSD operating system and an HDD for programs and data
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware M18 R1
    CPU
    13th Gen Core i9 13900HX
    Memory
    32GB DDR5 @4800MHz 2x16GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Geforce RTX 4090HX 16GB
    Sound Card
    Nvidia HD / Realtek ALC3254
    Monitor(s) Displays
    18" QHD+
    Screen Resolution
    25660 X 1600
    Hard Drives
    C: KIOXIA (Toshiba) 2TB KXG80ZNV2T04 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD
    D: KIOXIA (Toshiba) 2TB KXG80ZNV2T04 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD
    Case
    Dark Metallic Moon
    Keyboard
    Alienware M Series per-key AlienFX RGB
    Mouse
    Alienware AW610M
    Browser
    Chrome and Firefox
    Antivirus
    Norton
    Other Info
    Killer E3000 Ethernet Controller
    Killer Killer AX1690 Wi-Fi Network Adaptor Wi-Fi 6E
    Bluetooth 5.2
    Alienware Z01G Graphic Amplifier
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware Area 51m R2
    CPU
    10th Gen i-9 10900 K
    Memory
    32Gb Dual Channel DDR4 @ 8843MHz
    Graphics card(s)
    Nvidia RTX 2080 Super
    Sound Card
    Nvidia
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    Hard Drive C: Samsung 2TB SSD PM981a NVMe
    Hard Drive D:Samsung 2TB SSD 970 EVO Plus
    Mouse
    Alienware 610M
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Norton
I see what you mean Jeff all mine are 2 SSD machines except the main household one which has SSD operating system and an HDD for programs and data
I would have thought a support engineer would know how to make adjustments to any version of Windows to meet the needs of his clients.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home(RP) - 24H2 - 26100.712
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Banana Junior 5600- G Series
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 5 5600G
    Motherboard
    Asus ROG Strix B550-F
    Memory
    G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 64GB 4x16
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX TITAN X
    Monitor(s) Displays
    28" ASUS VP28U
    Screen Resolution
    1080p
    Hard Drives
    Primary SAMSUNG 970 EVO Plus
    PSU
    EVGA BQ 700w 80+ Bronze
    Case
    Zalman i3 NEO
    Cooling
    ARCTIC Freezer 7 X
    Keyboard
    Corsair
    Mouse
    Amazon Generic with Cord
    Internet Speed
    Download: 295.11 mbps Upload: 65.35 mbps T-Mobile Internet
    Browser
    Firefox and Edge
    Antivirus
    MS - Defender
    Other Info
    Speakers: Klipsch ProMedia 2.1
I work as freelance support engineer I can support all systems from XP upwards, most on a multiboot system. Initislly i upgrded a Win 10 system to Win 11 to familiarise myself with thye new OS.

It appears as in the past Microsoft delivers a new OS which is a mish-mash XP to Vista; Win 7 to 8, and now Win 10mto 11. Is there a pattern here?

This isn't a comprehensive list, but there appears to be some arrogancy in Microsofts approach, or certaibly a lack of psychology in delivering a system which appears to amke changes for the sake of change - has Microsoft hear of the old adage, "if it ain't broke don't fix it". BY all means offer new and exciting options/apps.

1. As a freelance engineer, forcing microsoft accounts on Home, (and soon of Pro?) makes life difficult if clients are away, don't want a microsft account, - Isn't an issue on upgrades. but is on new systems. Big Brother?
2. Many things in 10 which require one click require 2 in 11.
,3. More difficult to make certain apps as default, eg Chrome.
4. Tough hardeware demands is somewaht unecessary,( and arrogant). Many users will not upgrade, at least until it becomes time to buy new. Older systems life is being extended by a relatively inexpensive upgade to SSDs
5. Rather narrow sliders for scrolling, look pretty but impractical
6. Task bar issues discussed elsewhere.

This is just for starters!

PS Many clients are asking me to downgrade to Win 10
That's how it appears (Maker is arrogant) when you look at it purely from the user perspective. Companies are increasingly making products that provide a revenue stream throughout their life cycle. All decisions that companies make revolve around this concept. So every change that inconveniences the user has some direct or indirect relationship with how companies can make money out of it.

I agree that Corporations sometimes go too far where there is total disregard for user privacy and choices. The user, therefore, has to find ways to configure and use the products they buy that best suit their requirements.

Microsoft pushing OneDrive, Edge, and other apps are to make consumers start using them over other alternatives, and this gives them the opportunity to make money. The inability to export and import browser bookmarks on mobile devices is another example.

Forcing the user to create an account enables Corporations to track the user more easily, and products (both hardware and software) are designed to lock the user into their own ecosystem, making it increasingly difficult for users to make a switch, i.e. creating a perpetual revenue stream for the Corporations.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Envy dv7
    CPU
    Intel Core i7 3630QM
    Motherboard
    HP
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel HD Graphics 4000 & Nvidia GeForce GT 635M
    Sound Card
    IDT High Definition
    Screen Resolution
    1080p
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Crucial MX500 on bay 1.
    1 TB Seagate HDD on bay 2.
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
...This is just for starters!


Hi, Rob.

Welcome to ElevenForum.


And when you get it all sorted out, please feel free to join us HERE.


I wish you the best, seriously. (y)
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 22H2 19045.4046
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell/Vostro 470 (Year 2012)
    CPU
    Intel i7-3770 @ 3.40GHz
    Memory
    8 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD 7500 Radeon HD Series
    Sound Card
    Realtek Hi-Def Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell U2412M
    Hard Drives
    1 TB 7200 HDD
    Keyboard
    Dell/USB
    Mouse
    Dell/USB
    Internet Speed
    100/10
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Security/MalwareBytes Premium
I work as freelance support engineer I can support all systems from XP upwards, most on a multiboot system. Initislly i upgrded a Win 10 system to Win 11 to familiarise myself with thye new OS.

It appears as in the past Microsoft delivers a new OS which is a mish-mash XP to Vista; Win 7 to 8, and now Win 10mto 11. Is there a pattern here?

This isn't a comprehensive list, but there appears to be some arrogancy in Microsofts approach, or certaibly a lack of psychology in delivering a system which appears to amke changes for the sake of change - has Microsoft hear of the old adage, "if it ain't broke don't fix it". BY all means offer new and exciting options/apps.

1. As a freelance engineer, forcing microsoft accounts on Home, (and soon of Pro?) makes life difficult if clients are away, don't want a microsft account, - Isn't an issue on upgrades. but is on new systems. Big Brother?
2. Many things in 10 which require one click require 2 in 11.
,3. More difficult to make certain apps as default, eg Chrome.
4. Tough hardeware demands is somewaht unecessary,( and arrogant). Many users will not upgrade, at least until it becomes time to buy new. Older systems life is being extended by a relatively inexpensive upgade to SSDs
5. Rather narrow sliders for scrolling, look pretty but impractical
6. Task bar issues discussed elsewhere.

This is just for starters!

PS Many clients are asking me to downgrade to Win 10
I think the same thing happened when Windows 10 came out - people wanting to go back to 7. I agree about the extra clicks but there is a work around.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion 14-ce3514sa
    CPU
    Core i5
    Memory
    16gb
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 evo plus 2TB
    Cooling
    Could be better
    Internet Speed
    200mbps Starlink
    Browser
    Firefox
    Other Info
    Originally installed with a 500gb H10 Optane ssd
Hi,
Yep 11 needs a lot more work and even worse a third party to change the stupid start menu just to default to all apps instead of mini desktop like the worst ms release win-8 lol

It's tough to say who the hell ms is listening to but it sure can't be insiders
Either that or insiders are really silly now days
Start menu and show more never would of made it to release if ms did.

All ms really did was feed price gougers from people looking for a tpm chip mostly the same aholes scalping gpu's nice going ms :thumbsup:


Otherwise indeed win-10 is easier to deal with because somethings you don't need to deal with at all :lmao:
 

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  • OS
    Win-7-10-11Pro's
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer 17" Nitro 7840sn/ 2x16gb 5600c40/ 4060/ stock 1tb-os/ 4tb sn850x
    CPU
    10900k & 9940x & 5930k
    Motherboard
    z490-Apex & x299-Apex & x99-Sabertooth
    Memory
    Trident-Z Royal 4000c16 2x16gb & Trident-Z 3600c16 4x8gb & 3200c14 4x8gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    Titan Xp & 1080ti FTW3 & evga 980ti gaming
    Sound Card
    Onboard Realtek x3
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1-AOC G2460PG 24"G-Sync 144Hz/ 2nd 1-ASUS VG248QE 24"/ 3rd LG 43" series
    Screen Resolution
    1920-1080 not sure what the t.v is besides 43" class scales from 1920-1080 perfectly
    Hard Drives
    2-WD-sn850x 4tb/ 970evo+500gb/ 980 pro 2tb.
    PSU
    1000p2 & 1200p2 & 850p2
    Case
    D450 x2 & 1 Test bench in cherry Entertainment center
    Cooling
    Custom water loops x3 with 2x mora 360mm rads only 980ti gaming air cooled
    Keyboard
    G710+x3
    Mouse
    Redragon x3
    Internet Speed
    xfinity gigabyte
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    Firefox
    Antivirus
    mbam pro
1. As a freelance engineer, forcing microsoft accounts on Home, (and soon of Pro?) makes life difficult if clients are away, don't want a microsft account, - Isn't an issue on upgrades. but is on new systems. Big Brother?
Is there any evidence to support this? I see many claims regarding "Big Brother" but no actual evidence to support it other than some diagnostic telemetry data which you can probably turn off.

2. Many things in 10 which require one click require 2 in 11.
This can be a minor inconvenience, however, it is easy to amend with a simple registry setting change. I've personally got used to it so I haven't bothered with the said amendment.

,3. More difficult to make certain apps as default, eg Chrome.
Really? I have Brave set as my default browser and have had no problems at all.

4. Tough hardeware demands is somewaht unecessary,( and arrogant). Many users will not upgrade, at least until it becomes time to buy new. Older systems life is being extended by a relatively inexpensive upgade to SSDs
This isn't about the age of the hardware, Microsoft are trying to impose stricter hardware requirements for security reasons. Is it necessary? That is debatable but I don't see how it is arrogant?

5. Rather narrow sliders for scrolling, look pretty but impractical
6. Task bar issues discussed elsewhere.
Rather frivolous and can be changed quite easily.

even worse a third party to change the stupid start menu just to default to all apps instead of mini desktop like the worst ms release win-8 lol
The Start Menu is almost identical to Windows 10? You can pin the programs you use often.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11, Windows 10, Linux Fedora Cinnamon
All views are relevant. There were lovers of Vista & 8, but nevertheless "Big Brother" had to accept they were dogs for the majority.

The fact that techies have discovered "workarounds" to some extent proves that Win 11 is not everyone's cup of tea. For the average consumer these "workarounds" are not relevant; personally I have used them on my own systems, but one has to accept that they may create risk insomuch that further upgrades etc create the risk that the "workarounds" could make the system unstable, in other words are not applicable for the general publics' consumer systems.

So whats my point? I fix, upgrade, & install new systems, for third parties, hence workarounds are in the most part not relevant. If indeed techies are finding workarounds proves that Win 11 is not well thought out by Microsoft.. A common failure of computer developers (since year dot) they need to tread carefully between what the users want, while at the same time enhancing the "offer".

Hope that Microsoft gets the message, more people need to get the message to them.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    windows 11
All views are relevant. There were lovers of Vista & 8, but nevertheless "Big Brother" had to accept they were dogs for the majority.

The fact that techies have discovered "workarounds" to some extent proves that Win 11 is not everyone's cup of tea. For the average consumer these "workarounds" are not relevant; personally I have used them on my own systems, but one has to accept that they may create risk insomuch that further upgrades etc create the risk that the "workarounds" could make the system unstable, in other words are not applicable for the general publics' consumer systems.

So whats my point? I fix, upgrade, & install new systems, for third parties, hence workarounds are in the most part not relevant. If indeed techies are finding workarounds proves that Win 11 is not well thought out by Microsoft.. A common failure of computer developers (since year dot) they need to tread carefully between what the users want, while at the same time enhancing the "offer".

Hope that Microsoft gets the message, more people need to get the message to them.
I remember the outrage about Windows 10's start menu (not as much as 8) after Windows 7, but people got used to it. Agree some things are better if easy to use out of the box, but most people tweak settings to how they want on computers anyway. I personally don't like the right click menu but I'm sure people get used to it.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion 14-ce3514sa
    CPU
    Core i5
    Memory
    16gb
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 evo plus 2TB
    Cooling
    Could be better
    Internet Speed
    200mbps Starlink
    Browser
    Firefox
    Other Info
    Originally installed with a 500gb H10 Optane ssd
I'm finding windows 11 very nice. I started off not liking quite a lot of things e.g. the taskbar and applied tweaks to "put it back the way it should be" but after a while I decided to make the effort with the out of the box version and have come to enjoy it and find it very usable. The only thing I have altered now is the right click menu as there are a couple of things in the more options part I use frequently so I have the full menu. I did like the menu with the icons on top though. The one thing I miss is my large taskbar clock but I've found a desktop alternative that suits me (DeskTopDigitalClock) so for me all is good.

I just thought of one thing I don't like, focus sessions. The clock app always starts up at a focus sessions page and I have no use for them so it irritates me. Solution - I don't use Microsoft's clock app.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    Ryzen 5 Pro 4650G
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte B550M DS3H
    Memory
    16 Gb DDR4 3200
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell U2312HM + Dell U2412M
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1200
    Hard Drives
    Sandisk SSD 240 Gb
    WD Blue 3.5 2Tb
    Cooling
    standard
    Keyboard
    Aukey KM-G6
    Mouse
    Micrsoft bluetooth
    Internet Speed
    3 Mbps down 0.8 Mbps up
    Browser
    Brave / Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows / Malwarebytes
I found the icons made me squint too much - eyesight! Too small and very light - and had to have a pause for thought process as to which was which each time. But changing it to the full menu gets round that. I also got used to using it but still prefer 10 for ease of use. The fluidity and speed of Windows 11 is better though.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion 14-ce3514sa
    CPU
    Core i5
    Memory
    16gb
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 evo plus 2TB
    Cooling
    Could be better
    Internet Speed
    200mbps Starlink
    Browser
    Firefox
    Other Info
    Originally installed with a 500gb H10 Optane ssd
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