Solved Will Windows 11 installation workaround be available in the future?

FredM8 said:

To underline what I said about peripheral manufacturers getting going to fill a gap, even if the original MoBo makers do not.

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MFG's will update BIOS's so TPM 2/Secure boot is set by default like Asus is doing or users will have to set it themselves, not hard to do.

In the end if you're motherboard doesn't support TPM 2 it's not likely going to support the compatible processor so adding a TPM 2 module will not help

barman58 said:

As soon as the announcement was made regarding the requirements of a TPM for Window 11 I checked my system and it said no TPM so I ordered one for my Gigabyte board - I paid the equivalent of a few Dollars for the item and this included expedited shipping.

In the days before the TPM actually arrived I learned that my Motherboard included the type 2.0 TPM in the firmware so it was not needed , also before the TPM arrived the motherboard stopped working and I replaced it with a MB that included the chipset TPM.

If prices keep increasing I may have to dig the module out and sell it on eBay - Who needs Bitcoins

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I had to hunt around in my BIOS but I found the setting for TPM 2 and set it along with secure boot. 15 Minute job..

jimbo45 said:

Hi folks

As my old Grandad says -- "There's one born every minute". !!!! How true that still is.

Perhaps in 2021 too many people have more money than sense -- if that's the case please throw excess cash my way !!!

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Cheers
jimbo

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Maybe they will throw you enough to buy a used car. A 1995 McLaren F1 supercar just sold for a record $20 million

barman58 said:

As soon as the announcement was made regarding the requirements of a TPM for Window 11 I checked my system and it said no TPM so I ordered one for my Gigabyte board - I paid the equivalent of a few Dollars for the item and this included expedited shipping.

In the days before the TPM actually arrived I learned that my Motherboard included the type 2.0 TPM in the firmware so it was not needed , also before the TPM arrived the motherboard stopped working and I replaced it with a MB that included the chipset TPM.

If prices keep increasing I may have to dig the module out and sell it on eBay - Who needs Bitcoins

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Consider yourself lucky since no one has inventory on these TPM plugin units. My GA-170X UD5 TH Gigabyte motherboard requires the 20 pin version, and absolutely no luck with finding one. They're also gouging the market with exorbitant pricing on these TPM units! No worries though, since my CPU missed the boat for 11 also. Yet, here I am running fine on every build so far of Windows 11.

FredM8 said:

Yes I know.
But, like many I have not bothered thinking about them until the W11 situation came on the scene.
Now I, like others have been looking for them.

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You are correct there, many have never heard of TPM until Windows 11, and thus there is massive confusion and misinformation about it.

At the end of the day, and especially for system builders who know their way around a BIOS, check your BIOS for PTT before purchasing something you won't need. I also posted links on how to check for TPM, which will also tell you version number (1.2 or 2.0). Others should refer to their owners manual BIOS section and look for something like PTT or some form of a TPM setting switch.

FredM8 said:

But even if I get one I have since found out that the level of security provided with the 20 pin version will not suffice for W11.

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Where are you getting your info? Mine is a 20-pin module and it most definitely is a 2.0 module. Though the board for which I bought it for (Gigabyte GA-Z170X-Gaming GT) has 19 pins since one is missing, the slot is designed for a 20-pin module.



The BIOS does include PTT, so I didn't need the module, but again that was "before" I learned about PTT about a year later.

Anyway, if one does feel the need to get a discrete module, try to get one for the board vendor - Asus, Gigabyte, MSI, etc.

barman58 said:

If prices keep increasing I may have to dig the module out and sell it on eBay - Who needs Bitcoins

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hmmm... let me go find mine so it can pay my next car payment

Badger said:

Consider yourself lucky since no one has inventory on these TPM plugin units. My GA-170X UD5 TH Gigabyte motherboard requires the 20 pin version, and absolutely no luck with finding one. They're also gouging the market with exorbitant pricing on these TPM units! No worries though, since my CPU missed the boat for 11 also. Yet, here I am running fine on every build so far of Windows 11.

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You might want to read your owner's manual since that BIOS already has firmware TPM 2.0. Point? You don't need to buy a module. Page 55 of your owner's manual here - GA-Z170X-UD5 TH (PDF File). BTW, the key giveaway for me was when you said Z170

Folks, (with all due respect to Badger) this is what I'm talking about... people looking for something they don't need. Review your owner's manual "before" hunting down a TPM module!!!

Dru2 said:

You might want to read your owner's manual since that BIOS already has firmware TPM 2.0. Point? You don't need to buy a module. Page 55 of your owner's manual here - GA-Z170X-UD5 TH (PDF File). BTW, the key giveaway for me was when you said Z170

Folks, (with all due respect to Badger) this is what I'm talking about... people looking for something they don't need. Review your owner's manual "before" hunting down a TPM module!!!

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Oops, sorry I omitted the Z170.

Badger said:

Oops, sorry I omitted the Z170.

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You listed the model number. That's how I knew what manual to look for. However, my point was as soon as I saw the model number, I knew the board supported firmware TPM (PTT). It also helped that I have a Gigabyte Z170 board as stated in a previous post

All that said, the issue won't be TPM, but the CPU as those boards don't support the min 8th gen CPU's Microsoft is currently insisting on. That board only supports 7 gen CPU's such as an i7-7700K.

Dru2 said:

You listed the model number. That's how I knew what manual to look for. However, my point was as soon as I saw the model number, I knew the board supported firmware TPM (PTT). It also helped that I have a Gigabyte Z170 board as stated in a previous post

All that said, the issue won't be TPM, but the CPU as those boards don't support the min 8th gen CPU's Microsoft is currently insisting on. That board only supports 7 gen CPU's such as an i7-7700K.

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Exactly. I'm running on a I7-6700K @ 4 GHz here. Makes me question these restrictions because Win11 runs fine here.

Badger said:

Exactly. I'm running on a I7-6700K @ 4 GHz here. Makes me question these restrictions because Win11 runs great here.

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I know, I'm running Windows 11 on my backup system with a Gigabyte GA-Z270X-Gaming 8 board with an i7-7700K. No issues there, but that's "now". Who knows what will happen when the RTM releases

I hope I have not replied to this post too late.

I have a Dell Optiplex 9020 tower with an i7-4790K and 16 Gigs of ram. I did not have TPM 2.0. I had Legacy not UEFI. I did not have Secure Boot. I am currently on Windows 11 Pro.

Go to Microsoft, download the windows 10 installer, then download the windows 11 installer.

Download 7zip for free.

Use 7zip to extract your windows 10 installer.

Delete the "install" file.

Open the windows 11 installer and copy the "install" file.

Past that file into the extracted windows 10 installer folder.

Run windows 10 installer, note it will say it is installing windows 10.

Windows 11 will install instead.

Perform a SFC Check.

Updates will work great.

If you want to update to UEFI on a Legacy system (such as myself) you will need to use Easeus Partition Master and convert your MBR to GPT. You won't loose data, but you MUST REMEMBER to change your settings in BIOS to load from the UEFI system.

Seeno said:

I hope I have not replied to this post too late.

I have a Dell Optiplex 9020 tower with an i7-4790K and 16 Gigs of ram. I did not have TPM 2.0. I had Legacy not UEFI. I did not have Secure Boot. I am currently on Windows 11 Pro.

Go to Microsoft, download the windows 10 installer, then download the windows 11 installer.

Download 7zip for free.

Use 7zip to extract your windows 10 installer.

Delete the "install" file.

Open the windows 11 installer and copy the "install" file.

Past that file into the extracted windows 10 installer folder.

Run windows 10 installer, note it will say it is installing windows 10.

Windows 11 will install instead.

Perform a SFC Check.

Updates will work great.

If you want to update to UEFI on a Legacy system (such as myself) you will need to use Easeus Partition Master and convert your MBR to GPT. You won't loose data, but you MUST REMEMBER to change your settings in BIOS to load from the UEFI system.

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Hi there
if you install Windows 11 from an iso with the dism /ApplyImage process (built in Windows commands) and install the bootloader you can even install to MBR (legacy BIOS systems) without a TPR etc.

However sooner or later Windows will probably start using TPR so who knows what the future holds.

Plenty of examples on these boards of installing via the APPLYIMAGE method.

To install the boot loader to an MBR system simply run w:windows /s S: /f MBR where S is the mbr boot partition (should be fat32) and w is the windows target disk. However its best to use GPT disks of course if your Mobo handles UEFI boot.

cheers
jimbo

In the end, there are workarounds but who knows if MS ever decided to block them. It would be like whack-a-mole.

They could easily insert code into Windows checking TPM etc. at runtime, not just at installation time (all workarounds are installation workarounds).


Frankly, I do not think MS would waste time and money doing this. Over natural progression of time a lot of these old devices will eventually die out.

People forget one of the reasons behind the extra security precautions is that they have often got criticised for Windows not being secure enough for home users and one of key reaons was people blocked updates using the mechanisms they provided.

By moving to forced security updates, they removed this ability to do this without people resorting to hacks (targeted primarily for Windows 10 Home users). So MS cannot be criticised now like the flak they got previously.

The same points apply to these extra rules.

In the end, MS can now legitimately state the OS is more secure and they have done their moral best.

MS (or Apple etc) cannot be expected to make an OS totally hack proof - that is just an unrealistic expectation.

One thing is possible i.e. if you call MS Support for some reaon it is quite likely they will refuse to provide support to unsupported machines.

I do not like these artificial constraints but I do see why they have done it (aside from the minor fact that it drives people to buying new hardware).

cereberus said:

Frankly, I do not think MS would waste time and money doing this. Over natural progression of time a lot of these old devices will eventually die out.

People forget one of the reasons behind the extra security precautions is that they have often got criticised for Windows not being secure enough for home users and one of key reaons was people blocked updates using the mechanisms they provided.

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My opinion is that because MS allowed this in the beginning and the with the number of unsupported devices that are running Windows 11, that it wouldn't be in their best interest. I don't see it happening until the release of Windows 12 or what ever MS decides to name the next Windows version.