Solved Windows 10 End of Life?

Stigg · Thursday at 10:47 PM

x509 said:
My homebuilt desktop is still on Win 10, but only because I'm still in process of loading up all programs, installing tweaks, etc. That's my priority because I'm going on a trip in about 10 days.

I sort of have to upgade the desktop to Win 11 becuase Adobe won't install new versions of Lightroom and Photoshop on a system with an unsupported OS. Every October they have a major new release. My desktop is supported, so I'm getting those upgrade notices from MS a lot. The "Stay on Windows 10" button is almost hidden away.

I hope you had a good trip.

I'll keep an eye out for the "Stay on Windows 10" button next time.
I expect Windows 10 to keep working for a long time yet.

x509 · Thursday at 11:03 PM

XxXxX said:
just as an add on for those that wish continued protection.
Avast AV and Malware Internet Security is still supported on Windows XP (SP3), 7, 8, 8.1 and 10.
it is and as far as im aware will be continued to be updated with the latest AV signatures and definitions.

I'm going to guess that the basic AV/Security engines do not have complex OS dependencies just a few APIs

Adobe Lightroom in contrast probably uses many, many OS APIs

Marcus Vinicus · Thursday at 11:04 PM

For anyone who is still using Windows 10 Microsoft have a page about what happens when Window 10 is no longer supported after 14th October 2025.

Windows 10 support ends on October 14, 2025 - Microsoft Support

Windows 10 support ends on October 14, 2025. Upgrade to Windows 11 now to ensure continued security and feature updates. Learn more about the transition.

support.microsoft.com

gunrunnerjohn · Friday at 10:47 AM

There are tons of threads about upgrading to Win11 with unsupported hardware. Simple stuff like TPM 2.0 can be bypassed using RUFUS and install a fully functional Win11. Now, as for how long Microsoft will allow this shortcut is an open question, but it's one option.

AK6DN · Friday at 8:08 PM

gunrunnerjohn said:
There are tons of threads about upgrading to Win11 with unsupported hardware. Simple stuff like TPM 2.0 can be bypassed using RUFUS and install a fully functional Win11. Now, as for how long Microsoft will allow this shortcut is an open question, but it's one option.

So if it is so easy to upgrade from Win 10 to Win 11 on a non-TPM 2.0 system (ie, probably a TPM 1.2 system) WTF is the whole point of Microsoft 'requiring' TPM 2.0 to run Windows 11. TPM 2.0 clearly is not an absolute requirement for Windows 11 as it runs fine without it, it appears. So really what is the whole issue with Microsoft requiring TPM 2.0? I don't get it. Unless it truly is just a ploy by Microsoft and the computer manufacturers to force system replacements.

TraderGary · Friday at 9:01 PM

If you aren't aware of what TPM 2.0 is and what it does, here's a good explanation:

TPM 2.0 (Trusted Platform Module) is a hardware-based security feature designed to enhance system protection. It securely stores cryptographic keys, passwords, and sensitive data, shielding them from unauthorized access. Some key security benefits include:

Secure Boot & System Integrity: TPM 2.0 ensures that only trusted software loads during startup, preventing malware from tampering with the boot process.
Data Encryption: It securely stores encryption keys for features like BitLocker, making it harder for attackers to access encrypted data.
Credential Protection: TPM 2.0 enhances authentication security by safeguarding biometric data and cryptographic keys used for Windows Hello.
Random Number Generation: It provides high-quality random numbers for cryptographic operations, improving security.
Isolation from CPU: TPM 2.0 isolates cryptographic processes from the main processor, reducing the risk of interference and manipulation.

These features make TPM 2.0 a crucial component for modern cybersecurity, especially in Windows 11, where it plays a vital role in protecting user data and system integrity.

AK6DN · Friday at 9:11 PM

TraderGary said:
If you aren't aware of what TPM 2.0 is and what it does, here's a good explanation:

TPM 2.0 (Trusted Platform Module) is a hardware-based security feature designed to enhance system protection. It securely stores cryptographic keys, passwords, and sensitive data, shielding them from unauthorized access. Some key security benefits include:

Secure Boot & System Integrity: TPM 2.0 ensures that only trusted software loads during startup, preventing malware from tampering with the boot process.

Data Encryption: It securely stores encryption keys for features like BitLocker, making it harder for attackers to access encrypted data.

Credential Protection: TPM 2.0 enhances authentication security by safeguarding biometric data and cryptographic keys used for Windows Hello.

Random Number Generation: It provides high-quality random numbers for cryptographic operations, improving security.

Isolation from CPU: TPM 2.0 isolates cryptographic processes from the main processor, reducing the risk of interference and manipulation.

These features make TPM 2.0 a crucial component for modern cybersecurity, especially in Windows 11, where it plays a vital role in protecting user data and system integrity.

Ok, fine.
1) I don't use BitLocker. Never have, never will. Strike 1.
2) I don't use Windows Hello or any biometric login mechanism. Strike 2.
3) Better random number generation. Really? Ball 1.
4) Isolation from CPU. Really? Ball 2.
5) Secure boot seems to work fine on my TPM 1.2 system. Strike 3. You are OUT!

So tell me again why TPM 2.0 is a F***KING requirement for Windows 11?

TraderGary · Friday at 9:42 PM

AK6DN said:
Ok, fine.
1) I don't use BitLocker. Never have, never will. Strike 1.
2) I don't use Windows Hello or any biometric login mechanism. Strike 2.
3) Better random number generation. Really? Ball 1.
4) Isolation from CPU. Really? Ball 2.
5) Secure boot seems to work fine on my TPM 1.2 system. Strike 3. You are OUT!

So tell me again why TPM 2.0 is a F***KING requirement for Windows 11?

It's my understanding that Windows 11 was designed with security as a priority and to be more secure than previous Windows versions. Thus they added security requirements going forward.

I like Windows 11.
I use BitLocker.
I like the security of biometrics and Windows Hello.
I didn't know the TPM also had a random number generator.

And I also love a good excuse to buy a new computer every few years. :wink:

As always, YMMV.

W9VJ

Marcus Vinicus · Friday at 10:39 PM

One of my favourite features in TPM with Windows is Measured Boot which stiffens up security.

Measured Boot is a security feature in Windows that works with the Trusted Platform Module (TPM) to ensure the integrity of the boot process. Here’s how it works:

Records Boot Measurements: Measured Boot logs each stage of the boot process, storing cryptographic measurements in TPM’s Platform Configuration Registers (PCRs).
Detects Unauthorized Changes: If malware or unauthorized modifications occur, the recorded measurements won’t match expected values, signaling potential security risks.
Supports Remote Attestation: Organizations can use Measured Boot to verify a device’s boot integrity remotely, ensuring it hasn’t been compromised.
Enhances BitLocker Security: Since BitLocker relies on TPM, changes in PCR values can trigger recovery mode, preventing unauthorized access.

Stigg · Friday at 10:45 PM

So, who still has Windows 10 running?

I have one old desktop that still runs very well. I could update it to Windows 11, but I want to have at least one machine running Windows 10 for now.

AK6DN · Saturday at 12:12 AM

Stigg said:
So, who still has Windows 10 running?

I have one old desktop that still runs very well. I could update it to Windows 11, but I want to have at least one machine running Windows 10 for now.

I have three Win10 systems (two desktops and a laptop), a Win7 laptop, and a WinXPsp3 desktop.

I can also run Ubuntu Linux as an alternate boot on a Win10 desktop and Win10 laptop.

And for completeness I have DosBox on my Win10 desktop, and have Win11 running in a VirtualBox VM on a Win10 desktop.

Funny how Win10 boots and runs just fine in the VM, I just configure the VM with a TPM 2.0 (my native h/w is TPM 1.2).

I have no plans to switch to native Win11 on any of my systems. Will keep Win10 going as long as my hardware keeps going.

A Guy · Saturday at 2:21 AM

Stigg said:
So, who still has Windows 10 running?

I have one old desktop that still runs very well. I could update it to Windows 11, but I want to have at least one machine running Windows 10 for now.

I'm still on 10. Not because of a particular aversion to 11, but rather because I have it themed as I like and I do have an aversion to yellow folders

They are getting good at theming 11 over at Virtual Customs, and while I am not proficient, I'm hoping I'll be able to just do something they have available and get my Black folders and such back

A Guy

AK6DN · Saturday at 4:33 AM

AK6DN said:
...
And for completeness I have DosBox on my Win10 desktop, and have Win11 running in a VirtualBox VM on a Win10 desktop.
Funny how Win10 boots and runs just fine in the VM, I just configure the VM with a TPM 2.0 (my native h/w is TPM 1.2).
...

Meant to say 'Funny how Win11 boots and runs just fine in the Virtualbox VM on my Win 10 machine ...' using an emulated TPM 2.0

Stigg · Saturday at 4:37 AM

A Guy said:
I'm still on 10. Not because of a particular aversion to 11, but rather because I have it themed as I like and I do have an aversion to yellow folders They are getting good at theming 11 over at Virtual Customs, and while I am not proficient, I'm hoping I'll be able to just do something they have available and get my Black folders and such back

A Guy

Windows 10 is a great operating system for its time.
I'd place it beside Windows XP for its time.

gunrunnerjohn · Saturday at 12:06 PM

AK6DN said:
Meant to say 'Funny how Win11 boots and runs just fine in the Virtualbox VM on my Win 10 machine ...' using an emulated TPM 2.0

However, an emulated TPM 2.0 does not really offer the security of a real hardware TPU 2.0.

rk911 · Saturday at 1:37 PM

Stigg said:
So, who still has Windows 10 running?

I have one old desktop that still runs very well. I could update it to Windows 11, but I want to have at least one machine running Windows 10 for now.

I do and am quite happy. No plans to "upgrade".

Edwin · Saturday at 2:26 PM

Stigg said:
So, who still has Windows 10 running?

I've got one machine still running W10.
Haven't been strong-armed yet!

AK6DN · Saturday at 5:52 PM

gunrunnerjohn said:
However, an emulated TPM 2.0 does not really offer the security of a real hardware TPU 2.0.

Yeah but as listed in post #26 most of the purported benefits of TPM 2.0 I don't use or don't care about. So TPM 1.2 is fine by me.

Winuser · Saturday at 7:44 PM

TraderGary said:
And I also love a good excuse to buy a new computer every few years.

You're a man after my own heart. I once used the excuse that I needed a new desktop because the CPU cooling fan had died on my desktop. I waited a couple of weeks after I had the new desktop up and running before I replaced the fan. I now run both desktops side by side. The new desktop is my main computer and the old one I use as a work horse. For example, I do all of my encoding of my media content on it.

Edit: I almost forgot, I do have a yearning for a new desktop but I don't want a AI compliant computer. I have no need or desire to use a AI computer.

gunrunnerjohn · Saturday at 8:54 PM

Winuser said:
You're a man after my own heart. I once used the excuse that I needed a new desktop because the CPU cooling fan had died on my desktop. I waited a couple of weeks after I had the new desktop up and running before I replaced the fan. I now run both desktops side by side. The new desktop is my main computer and the old one I use as a work horse. For example, I do all of my encoding of my media content on it.

Edit: I almost forgot, I do have a yearning for a new desktop but I don't want a AI compliant computer. I have no need or desire to use a AI computer.

I see all the AI I need coming from our Capitol. If that's a sample of the quality of AI, I don't want any either! :lmao:

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