Windows 10 Vs Windows 11


jeffbeish

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Well, after a year using Windows 11 I have come to the conclusion that Windows 10 is a thing of the past. My Dell Inspiron 15 3000-3552 is a little older than my Inspiron 15 3000-3510, and a bit slower, but the Windows 10 is at least 100 times slower than Windows 11. Just normal computing the Win-10 is noticeably slower, but updates on the older PC takes hours and at times way too long. The Win-11 machine updates within 20-30 minutes at its slowest. To avoid background stuff from interfering with an update I simply download the ISO for the particular update and run it without the anti-virus and usually offline. Today I attempted a normal update and after 5 hours just gave up and downloaded the ISO and installed it in less than an hour. The old Dell just cannot be all that slow, so it must be the way MS handles Win-10 updates.

If I am wrong, then someone will most likely tell me of my evil ways. I just believe that the WIn-10 programmers are just not as up to speed as the WIn-11 guys and gals. Not sure why.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Inspiron 15 3510
    CPU
    Intel® Celeron® N4020
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    15.6-in. display HD (1366X768)
    Hard Drives
    128 GB M.2, PCLe, NVMe, SSD
  • Operating System
    Windows 10
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Inspiron 15 3552
    CPU
    Intel Celeron N3060
    Memory
    4 GB
I've been 🤏 close to updating my W10 machine a couple times, but..., I'm a scared!!! :nope:

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My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS ROG Strix
  • Operating System
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS VivoBook
Well, after a year using Windows 11 I have come to the conclusion that Windows 10 is a thing of the past. My Dell Inspiron 15 3000-3552 is a little older than my Inspiron 15 3000-3510, and a bit slower, but the Windows 10 is at least 100 times slower than Windows 11. Just normal computing the Win-10 is noticeably slower, but updates on the older PC takes hours and at times way too long. The Win-11 machine updates within 20-30 minutes at its slowest. To avoid background stuff from interfering with an update I simply download the ISO for the particular update and run it without the anti-virus and usually offline. Today I attempted a normal update and after 5 hours just gave up and downloaded the ISO and installed it in less than an hour. The old Dell just cannot be all that slow, so it must be the way MS handles Win-10 updates.

If I am wrong, then someone will most likely tell me of my evil ways. I just believe that the WIn-10 programmers are just not as up to speed as the WIn-11 guys and gals. Not sure why.
Something is wrong with your Windows 10 installation. I do not see any significant differenced between Windows 10 and Windows 11 updates.

As for Windows 10 programming, Windows 10 is really only security supported, albeit MS haved announced they will update Windows 10 to use the most annoying feature ever devised to torture mere mortals i.e. the pox ridden Co-Pilot which should have been put down at birth.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 Pro + others in VHDs
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Vivobook 14
    CPU
    I7
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    N/A
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Optane NVME SSD, 1 TB NVME SSD
    PSU
    Yep, got one
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois
    Keyboard
    Built in
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wired
    Internet Speed
    72 Mb/s :-(
    Browser
    Edge mostly
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0
My Dell Inspiron 15 3000-3552 is a little older than my Inspiron 15 3000-3510, and a bit slower, but the Windows 10 is at least 100 times slower than Windows 11. Just normal computing the Win-10 is noticeably slower, but updates on the older PC takes hours and at times way too long.
It's probably more to do with the cpu power. Your Inspiron 3000-3510 with its Celeron N4020 has a benchmark well over twice that of the N3060 in the Inspiron 3000-3552. Updating is a CPU-intensive process, just watch it in Task Manager's Performance tab next time you do an update.

 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.
I had no problem using Windows 11 except it does have problem with AMD CPUs even do Microsoft patch the problem i still think its not fully patched other than this problem Windows 11 works without problems.

 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 5700G
    Motherboard
    Erica6
    Memory
    Micron Technology DDR4-3200 16GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC671
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung SyncMaster U28E590
    Screen Resolution
    3840 x 2160
    Hard Drives
    SAMSUNG MZVLQ1T0HALB-000H1
Just yesterday I upgraded an old Dell Inspiron 15 5537 Notebook [with Core i5 and 8GB RAM] from Win10 Pro to Win11 using the single-file replacement tweak to bypass the system requirement, has been working just fine, don't notice much difference in performance from Win10.

I have 2 Notebooks with Win11, one Dell Pro and one HP Home, but neither have the ODD I'm going to need for a project while the Inspiron does.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win11 Pro RTM
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Vostro 3400
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 11th Gen. 2.40GHz
    Memory
    12GB
    Hard Drives
    256GB SSD NVMe
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro RTM x64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Vostro 5890
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 10th Gen. 2.90GHz
    Memory
    16GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Onboard, no VGA, using a DisplayPort-to-VGA adapter
    Monitor(s) Displays
    24" Dell
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD NVMe, 2TB WDC HDD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender/Microsoft Security
As @Cerebus mentioned I suspect some other issue with your Win10 loads. Your system shows only 4 GB of memory. Yeah that's not enough for Win10 or Win11 although 4 GBs will work. You'll see a huge difference using 8 GB. 128 GB M.2 drive? How much space is left of the drive? I will say the drives these manufacturers use in their builds tend to be lower quality SSDs. Perhaps No DRAM cache buffer. When doing updates having an drive DRAM buffer can make a huge difference.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win 7/10/11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Other Info
    I'm a computer enthusiast so have quite a few systems that I run. More like an advanced hobby.
As @Cerebus mentioned I suspect some other issue with your Win10 loads. Your system shows only 4 GB of memory. Yeah that's not enough for Win10 or Win11 although 4 GBs will work. You'll see a huge difference using 8 GB. 128 GB M.2 drive? How much space is left of the drive? I will say the drives these manufacturers use in their builds tend to be lower quality SSDs. Perhaps No DRAM cache buffer. When doing updates having an drive DRAM buffer can make a huge difference.
The older Dell (3552) has a 500Gb drive and it is only about 30%. But the 2510 has only 128G. I suspect I'll have to reset the old Dell after a full clone backup and restore the stuff piecemeal. That has worked in the remote past. Sometimes I think files get butchered during updates and/or downloads. My Win-11 mach9ne developed a weird problem with the old Office 2003 Word speller so I just use OpenOffice 4.1.14 for documents. That one is definitely a file was corrupted, but I just cannot find it. It started off as a cut&paste problem and got worse. Guess that is what using out of date MS software in MS stuff, huh? Not wot worry about paying for it, they will ruin it sooner or later anyway.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Inspiron 15 3510
    CPU
    Intel® Celeron® N4020
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    15.6-in. display HD (1366X768)
    Hard Drives
    128 GB M.2, PCLe, NVMe, SSD
  • Operating System
    Windows 10
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Inspiron 15 3552
    CPU
    Intel Celeron N3060
    Memory
    4 GB
The older Dell (3552) has a 500Gb drive and it is only about 30%. But the 2510 has only 128G...
@BamaInArk drew my attention to the drives in your two Inspirons. Your older, slower 3552 has a SATA SSD, while the newer 2510 has a PCIe/NVMe SSD. That's makes it a factor of about 7 times faster reads/writes. There's a lot of disk activity in an update too.

So with a cpu that's about a third of the power, an SSD at a 7th of the speed, then it's to be expected that updates take so much longer on the older PC :wink:

Currently, the maximum speed for an NVMe PCIe 3.0 (aka Gen 3) SSD is up to 3,500MB per second....

....SATA SSDs typically hit speeds of up to 500MB per second.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.
Thanks Bree, I kind of knew that but am a slow typer these days, so try to make posts short and simple.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Inspiron 15 3510
    CPU
    Intel® Celeron® N4020
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    15.6-in. display HD (1366X768)
    Hard Drives
    128 GB M.2, PCLe, NVMe, SSD
  • Operating System
    Windows 10
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Inspiron 15 3552
    CPU
    Intel Celeron N3060
    Memory
    4 GB
My Upgrade to Win11 involved a 500GB HDD so I removed it, hardware cloned [no backup] to another 500GB HDD, put the clone drive in the Notebook and booted then did the Upgrade. The original drive is on the shelf "just in case".
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win11 Pro RTM
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Vostro 3400
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 11th Gen. 2.40GHz
    Memory
    12GB
    Hard Drives
    256GB SSD NVMe
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro RTM x64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Vostro 5890
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 10th Gen. 2.90GHz
    Memory
    16GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Onboard, no VGA, using a DisplayPort-to-VGA adapter
    Monitor(s) Displays
    24" Dell
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD NVMe, 2TB WDC HDD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender/Microsoft Security
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