Windows 10 Vs Windows 11

jeffbeish · Nov 21, 2023

Well, after a year using Windows 11 I have come to the conclusion that Windows 10 is a thing of the past. My Dell Inspiron 15 3000-3552 is a little older than my Inspiron 15 3000-3510, and a bit slower, but the Windows 10 is at least 100 times slower than Windows 11. Just normal computing the Win-10 is noticeably slower, but updates on the older PC takes hours and at times way too long. The Win-11 machine updates within 20-30 minutes at its slowest. To avoid background stuff from interfering with an update I simply download the ISO for the particular update and run it without the anti-virus and usually offline. Today I attempted a normal update and after 5 hours just gave up and downloaded the ISO and installed it in less than an hour. The old Dell just cannot be all that slow, so it must be the way MS handles Win-10 updates.

If I am wrong, then someone will most likely tell me of my evil ways. I just believe that the WIn-10 programmers are just not as up to speed as the WIn-11 guys and gals. Not sure why.

Edwin · Nov 21, 2023

I've been

close to updating my W10 machine a couple times, but..., I'm a scared!!! :nope:

cereberus · Nov 21, 2023

jeffbeish said:
Well, after a year using Windows 11 I have come to the conclusion that Windows 10 is a thing of the past. My Dell Inspiron 15 3000-3552 is a little older than my Inspiron 15 3000-3510, and a bit slower, but the Windows 10 is at least 100 times slower than Windows 11. Just normal computing the Win-10 is noticeably slower, but updates on the older PC takes hours and at times way too long. The Win-11 machine updates within 20-30 minutes at its slowest. To avoid background stuff from interfering with an update I simply download the ISO for the particular update and run it without the anti-virus and usually offline. Today I attempted a normal update and after 5 hours just gave up and downloaded the ISO and installed it in less than an hour. The old Dell just cannot be all that slow, so it must be the way MS handles Win-10 updates.

If I am wrong, then someone will most likely tell me of my evil ways. I just believe that the WIn-10 programmers are just not as up to speed as the WIn-11 guys and gals. Not sure why.

Something is wrong with your Windows 10 installation. I do not see any significant differenced between Windows 10 and Windows 11 updates.

As for Windows 10 programming, Windows 10 is really only security supported, albeit MS haved announced they will update Windows 10 to use the most annoying feature ever devised to torture mere mortals i.e. the pox ridden Co-Pilot which should have been put down at birth.

Bree · Nov 21, 2023

jeffbeish said:
My Dell Inspiron 15 3000-3552 is a little older than my Inspiron 15 3000-3510, and a bit slower, but the Windows 10 is at least 100 times slower than Windows 11. Just normal computing the Win-10 is noticeably slower, but updates on the older PC takes hours and at times way too long.

It's probably more to do with the cpu power. Your Inspiron 3000-3510 with its Celeron N4020 has a benchmark well over twice that of the N3060 in the Inspiron 3000-3552. Updating is a CPU-intensive process, just watch it in Task Manager's Performance tab next time you do an update.

Intel Celeron N3060 @ 1.60GHz vs Intel Celeron N4020 @ 1.10GHz [cpubenchmark.net] by PassMark Software

FreeBooter · Nov 21, 2023

I had no problem using Windows 11 except it does have problem with AMD CPUs even do Microsoft patch the problem i still think its not fully patched other than this problem Windows 11 works without problems.

https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/pa-400

Berton · Nov 21, 2023

Just yesterday I upgraded an old Dell Inspiron 15 5537 Notebook [with Core i5 and 8GB RAM] from Win10 Pro to Win11 using the single-file replacement tweak to bypass the system requirement, has been working just fine, don't notice much difference in performance from Win10.

I have 2 Notebooks with Win11, one Dell Pro and one HP Home, but neither have the ODD I'm going to need for a project while the Inspiron does.

BamaInArk · Nov 21, 2023

As @Cerebus mentioned I suspect some other issue with your Win10 loads. Your system shows only 4 GB of memory. Yeah that's not enough for Win10 or Win11 although 4 GBs will work. You'll see a huge difference using 8 GB. 128 GB M.2 drive? How much space is left of the drive? I will say the drives these manufacturers use in their builds tend to be lower quality SSDs. Perhaps No DRAM cache buffer. When doing updates having an drive DRAM buffer can make a huge difference.

jeffbeish · Nov 21, 2023

BamaInArk said:
As @Cerebus mentioned I suspect some other issue with your Win10 loads. Your system shows only 4 GB of memory. Yeah that's not enough for Win10 or Win11 although 4 GBs will work. You'll see a huge difference using 8 GB. 128 GB M.2 drive? How much space is left of the drive? I will say the drives these manufacturers use in their builds tend to be lower quality SSDs. Perhaps No DRAM cache buffer. When doing updates having an drive DRAM buffer can make a huge difference.

The older Dell (3552) has a 500Gb drive and it is only about 30%. But the 2510 has only 128G. I suspect I'll have to reset the old Dell after a full clone backup and restore the stuff piecemeal. That has worked in the remote past. Sometimes I think files get butchered during updates and/or downloads. My Win-11 mach9ne developed a weird problem with the old Office 2003 Word speller so I just use OpenOffice 4.1.14 for documents. That one is definitely a file was corrupted, but I just cannot find it. It started off as a cut&paste problem and got worse. Guess that is what using out of date MS software in MS stuff, huh? Not wot worry about paying for it, they will ruin it sooner or later anyway.

Bree · Nov 21, 2023

jeffbeish said:
The older Dell (3552) has a 500Gb drive and it is only about 30%. But the 2510 has only 128G...

@BamaInArk drew my attention to the drives in your two Inspirons. Your older, slower 3552 has a SATA SSD, while the newer 2510 has a PCIe/NVMe SSD. That's makes it a factor of about 7 times faster reads/writes. There's a lot of disk activity in an update too.

So with a cpu that's about a third of the power, an SSD at a 7th of the speed, then it's to be expected that updates take so much longer on the older PC :wink:

Currently, the maximum speed for an NVMe PCIe 3.0 (aka Gen 3) SSD is up to 3,500MB per second....

....SATA SSDs typically hit speeds of up to 500MB per second.

NVMe vs. M.2 vs. SATA SSD: What’s the difference?

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jeffbeish · Nov 21, 2023

Thanks Bree, I kind of knew that but am a slow typer these days, so try to make posts short and simple.

Berton · Nov 21, 2023

My Upgrade to Win11 involved a 500GB HDD so I removed it, hardware cloned [no backup] to another 500GB HDD, put the clone drive in the Notebook and booted then did the Upgrade. The original drive is on the shelf "just in case".