Windows 11 and Oracle VM VirtualBox

cereberus thanks for the suggestions. I have used hyper-v a few times. I don't like the screen size you end up with. old age I guess. right now I am frustrated with not being able to get the link to ms account register my copy.
will try again with hyper v since it can be on the home edition.
shipinomore

I can't install either the production or testbulild of Virtualbox on my physical Windows 11. VMware 16 was installed with no problem. I mig get installed if I turned off memory integrity testing but its not worth it for this product especially since it was installed and ran well on Manjaro Linux

cereberus said:

W11 Pro works well on Hyper-V. I would never use a type 2 hypervisor if a windows OS better than Home in VM.

You can run Hyper-V on Home host

Enabling HyperV on Home - Windows 10 Help Forums

Whilst perusing web, I discovered how to enable HyperV in Home and it as surprisingly easy. WARNING - Make an image backup first before doing this - I accept no responsibility if this goes wrong. Firstly, (obviously) bios has to be set for virtualisation.

www.tenforums.com

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Hi there
True on Windows HOSTS -- not necessarily true on Linux Hosts -- I'm currently in a place where I've only got a Linux laptop with Internet access via WIFI and on Linux HYPERVISOR bridging doesn't work on Wifi (or at least not without too much hassle) and Macvtap Wifi also no good. So unless using NAT which brings all sorts of problems for VM's and Network access VMWare seems to work OK using Bridged Networking and Wifi adapter.

The principle is correct though - always use a TYPE 1 HYPERVISOR whatever the Host - with the caveat - Wherever possible !!!!!

@martyfelker

Vmware wks 16 and KVM/QEMU run perfectly well concurrently on kernel 5.13.9 on Arch Linux so I assume manjaro as well should have no problems. Using the AUR to install vmware workstation - kernel updates automatically keep the headers etc in sync so vmware wks doesn't fail after kernel update because of failing to find correct headers -- don't forget thoough after first install to enable the usb arbitration service for USB access by VM's and the vmware networking service for network access.

I've given up with VBOX -- not madly keen on it in the ist place but if people can make it work and like it -- up to them !!!

@shipinomore10

On HYPER-V try accessing the VM via RDP rather than the Host console. However on W11 HOME as a guest that might not work. On Windows HOME as HOST you should be able to connect to the Windows VM so long as its not Windows HOME via RDP . That way you should be able to get proper Host full screen resolution for your VM.

Cheers
jimbo

It may work temporarily but basically ist is not worth the time and effort - especially considering the other options one has - especially inlinux.

martyfelker said:

It may work temporarily but basically ist is not worth the time and effort - especially considering the other options one has - especially inlinux.

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Hi there
UUPDUMP via Linux command seems to work a lot faster than Windows (Download depends on Internet speed) but the convert goes (IMO) a lot quicker on Linux Hosts than Windows

So even those using Linux VM's and want to use UUPDUMP do it via Linux

The only downside is that you can't integrate the updates but not really an issue as WU will then do those !!!

Iso created in 11 mins from finish of downloads -- on Windows over 2 hours !!!!!

IIt just rattles through all these at fast speed and creates the iso without issue. On Windows it can take AGES !!!


Cheers
jimbo

cereberus said:

W11 Pro works well on Hyper-V. I would never use a type 2 hypervisor if a windows OS better than Home in VM.

You can run Hyper-V on Home host

Enabling HyperV on Home - Windows 10 Help Forums

Whilst perusing web, I discovered how to enable HyperV in Home and it as surprisingly easy. WARNING - Make an image backup first before doing this - I accept no responsibility if this goes wrong. Firstly, (obviously) bios has to be set for virtualisation.

www.tenforums.com

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Yeah, I'm using Hyper-V as well. It's not my preferred hypervisor, BUT i need to be able to run Docker and WSL2, and thus is the only hypervisor that supports these.

I've gotten around most of my major gripes with Hyper-V, but I've always preferred VMWare and VirtualBox.

pparks1 said:

Yeah, I'm using Hyper-V as well. It's not my preferred hypervisor, BUT i need to be able to run Docker and WSL2, and thus is the only hypervisor that supports these.

I've gotten around most of my major gripes with Hyper-V, but I've always preferred VMWare and VirtualBox.

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My main gripe with Hyper-V was no sound with Linux but thst is now possible with Ubuntu as you can enable sound now. You have to add xrdp to use enhanced mode, then add pulseaudio spp.

Hi there
HYPER-V has come on greatly recently -- still a faffle though with USB devices -- OK you can add them in the config or have shared devices - but dynamically being able to attach and remove USB devices would be better and I hope eventually if using the WSL that "Native" distros would be possible -- the kernels HYPER-V use for the WSL are those modified by Ms for running under Windows. (Of course HYPER-V can create "Native Linux VM's -- not an issue).

I can't though (or haven't been able to make it work) get HYPER-V to create a working XP VM - I think the IDE driver might be a mega problem - although it could be possible to "poodlefake" the XP driver to use SATA / AHCI -- but it's not worth the effort as VMWare supports XP without an issue as does the KVM/QEMU hypervisor -- and not many people run really old legacy OS's these days.

Sound also used to be a huge problem with most Linux distros but that's long gone now -- ALSA is the best interface on Linux with soundcards


For those that have WSL -- and get Windows iso's via UUPDUMP the Linux version of aria2 to convert the downloads to iso's runs in minutes - in Windows it can take a LONG TIME. The download part is independent of the OS as it's your Internet speed that controls that. The only snag is that the updates won't be incorporated - but really not an issue as after install WU will update anyway. Just install the aria2 package - it's also on git-hub.

Cheers
jimbo

cereberus said:

My main gripe with Hyper-V was no sound with Linux but thst is now possible with Ubuntu as you can enable sound now. You have to add xrdp to use enhanced mode, then add pulseaudio spp.

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That's okay for me. My linux machines don't have a GUI, so no need for sound or anything else.

cereberus said:

My main gripe with Hyper-V was no sound with Linux but thst is now possible with Ubuntu as you can enable sound now. You have to add xrdp to use enhanced mode, then add pulseaudio spp.

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Same (almost) applies for Fedora and CentOS, as I have tried and successfully run in enhanced mode.
You will need the right packages, where this script can help:

pparks1 said:

That's okay for me. My linux machines don't have a GUI, so no need for sound or anything else.

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Hi there

You don't need a GUI to enable sound on most Linux distros - just ensure the relevant service is started such as the ALSA system
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However I agree for HYPER-V or other VM systems Linux guests don't really need sound - also if you simply access the Linux machine for multi-media files you don't even need a multi-media server as you can simply play the multi-media on your Windows machine or smart TV with the appropriate multi-media player.

For IPTC / streaming same applies - the Client (remote) Windows / Smart TV / Other device just connect to the Linux VM and play with the Host's (i.e your TV / laptop / other device) multi-media application -- kodi, vlc or whatever. No need to run plex servers etc these days.

I'm often though using a Linux laptop as a workstation so a GUI with sound is fine -- but that's OT to the question.

Cheers
jimbo

jimbo45 said:

I can't though (or haven't been able to make it work) get HYPER-V to create a working XP VM - I think the IDE driver might be a mega problem

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What was the error you got? Not bootable?

So far it sounds weird, or I was lucky: I've installed XP a few times from scratch and I've also converted VM from VirtualBox to Hyper-V without issues.

But I see from time to time more people mentioning they "cannot run XP in Hyper-V" so the question is: what can be the issue?

I go without saying, we are talking about SP3 here, otherwise this can be an issue, XP lower than SP3 ...
Note though WS 2003 SP2 does work but this is different than XP SP2.

The regular settings with the provided IDE in VM should be enough, and no need to tweak with drivers or use SATA.

Hopachi said:

I see from time to time more people mentioning they "cannot run XP in Hyper-V" so the question is: what can be the issue?

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The only real issue I've had is networking. In Hyper-V XP can only work if you give it the Legacy network adapter. And then you'll need to enable SMB1 on the host or any other W10 machines you wish to connect to/from. XP only has SMB1.

I am finding now that while UUPDUMP is a bit slower on Windows than Linux they both work fine "out of the box". The only beef I have is that aria2 can't be throttled and soI really can't do any other work online while the download part of the is proceeding. But the build part is fast enough with 16 threads and 64GB of RAM.

lancewhit said:

Has anyone been able to get the Windows 11 preview to work with Oracle VM VirtualBox? I've tried a couple of times. But when the choice of channels comes up for the Insider program, the only option available is Release Preview Channel, which limits you to Windows 10. Dev channel and Beta channel are both grayed out.

I've been able to get Win 11 to run fine in VMWare Workstation Player through the Beta channel. I know the Insider preview is supposed to work with VMs. But VirtualBox isn't playing nicely. Any ideas? Thanks!

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I was in exactly the same predicament - VMWare machines ran fine, but VBox wouldn't work at all. The "fix" is fairly simple, once you stumble over it.

Win11 machines must be encrypted, and they demand TPM be enabled. Enabling TPM is accomplished by way of enabling EFI. Once you have created your machine, go to Settings > General > Disk Encryption and enable encryption, choose the 256-bit option, and enter your password - twice.

Go to Settings > System > Motherboard and change Chipset to ICH9, then enable EFI. In the Processor tab, make sure PAE/NX and Nested VT-x/AMD-V are enabled, and you have 2 or 4 CPUs enabled. In the Acceleration tab, I enabled nested paging and Hyper-V.

Scroll down to Display, and enable 3D Acceleration.

Finally choose your boot media for the CD/DVD device.

Close everything and start your machine. If (like me) you are thrown into the EFI interactive shell, you need to choose your boot media. If you're familiar with the shell, fine - if not, type "exit" and enter, you'll fall back into a GUI where you can choose your CD/DVD to boot from.

Note that I am running VBox 6.1.22 on Linux. YMMV if you are working from Windows or Mac.