Windows 11 backup or Windows 7??


man00

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My windows 11 (control panel) only show Windows Backup ( Windows 7)
 

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Yes, its been like this since relelase, and it works fine. There area also a few free alternative backup programs availalbe.
 

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man00

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Does backing up to external drive wipe all data from that drive before backing up Win 11 ?
Thanks for the info
 

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Does backing up to external drive wipe all data from that drive
No, backups are saved as compressed files on your selected destination. Existing files on the destination are not affected.

All file/image programs I have come across work that way.
 

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My windows 11 (control panel) only show Windows Backup ( Windows 7)
Yes, it's only really there for backward compatibility, should you have any old Win7 backups to restore. MS don't suggest you should use it for new backups, particularly their 'system image backup' part. They deprecated that more than four years ago.

Microsoft said:
System Image Backup (SIB) Solution
We recommend that users use full-disk backup solutions from other vendors.
 

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    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 RTM as a native boot vhdx.
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    i5 M 520
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    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 RTM as a native boot vhdx.

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Yes, it's only really there for backward compatibility, should you have any old Win7 backups to restore.
sdclt in win7 could only create .vhd files. Yet in win10/11 it creates .vhd(x)
So it clearly not only for restoring old backup images made in win7.

A new scheduling function has been added to wbadmin in win11. So it appears that if macrium buffs can scare enouigh people away from sib, MS might remove it, while still retaining wbadmin, for which sib is a kind of basic front end.
 

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sdclt in win7 could only create .vhd files. Yet in win10/11 it creates .vhd(x)
I think that change was made starting in Windows 8. The vhd(x) files are only part of the SIB, and that has only ever been specific to each version of Windows. You need to boot from a WinRE of exactly the same version (7/8/8.1/10/11) and bits (32/64) as the OS in the image to be able to do a restore.

The Files and Folders backup wiith its .zip files remains unchanged from 7 up to 11, and can restore in any Windows version, not just the one used to make the backup.
 

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    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
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    8GB
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    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
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    Edge, Firefox
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    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 RTM as a native boot vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
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    Dell Lattitude E4310
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    i5 M 520
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    0T6M8G
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    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 RTM as a native boot vhdx.

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Vista bmrui can restore win7 system images. Not a lot of people know that.

You need to boot from a WinRE of exactly the same version (7/8/8.1/10/11) and bits (32/64) as the OS in the image to be able to do a restore.

if so, what is the meaning of this:
it's only really there for backward compatibility, should you have any old Win7 backups to restore.
 

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So bottom line can the backup I'm talking about work to restore Windows 11 partition?
 

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So bottom line can the backup I'm talking about work to restore Windows 11 partition?
Yes. If you use the 'Create a system image' option in 'Backup & Restore (Windows 7)' to create a system image of a Windows 11 machine then you should be able to restore it too. You do not get to choose which partitions to back up, it will back up all that are required to restore a working system. Your only available option would be to add any data partitions that may not have been included as they only hold data files.

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Bear in mind though that Microsoft have for the past four years recommended that you do not try, and that you should "....use full-disk backup solutions from other vendors". Microsoft's imaging has been known to be temperamental and fragile. It sometimes fails to see your image when you need to restore it. There are plenty of good, reliable, free alternatives to choose from.

 

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    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
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    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
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    laptop screen
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    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
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    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
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    Edge, Firefox
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    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 RTM as a native boot vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
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    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    i5 M 520
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    4GB
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB HDD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 RTM as a native boot vhdx.

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So does it make sense to use native Windows image backup?

Before I answer that, consider why majority of users here recommend Macrium Reflect

It is simply the experience of majority of forum users it is rock solid and that is what counts in backup tools.

Of course, in the end, it does not really matter which of the major 3rd party image tools you choose but you have to ask yourself a simple question "Can I rely on its support team in a timely manner if I get a significant issue".

In most cases of the major 3rd party apps, answer is surely yes. If a bug is reported, the appropriate development team will usually try and fix issue asap. Then it just becomes opinion as to whose support team is best.

There are lots of image tools around but do they have a proven support record? Personally, I would advise users to stick to the majors (Macrium, Easus, AOMEI, Acronis, and perhaps Paragon and Veeam).

However, getting back to starting point about whether it makes sense to use the native Windows image backup, consider this:

Can you rely on MS for timely support if you get issues with the Windows tool, and it is obvious the answer is definitely no!

You might call MS Support and they may be able to help if a user issue rather than a bug.

However, if they cannot sort it i.e. a real bug, you will be lucky if it reaches a development team member, and even then, it could take a year or more (if ever) before a fix is issued. You do not get a ticket support/tracking number and you have no idea if anybody is looking at issue.

So for all those who favour using the native Windows image backup tool, if it works for you fine, but the moment it falls over due to bugs, you are basically snookered.

I cannot for the life of me see why people would think NOT following MS advice to use 3rd party tools is a good idea?

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    Integrated Intel Iris XE
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    Realtek built in
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    1 TB Optane NVME SSD, 1 TB NVME SSD
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For the life of me I can't understand why someone would want to rely on it when way better, much more reliable options are available. Reliability is what is key for me.
 

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    Dell Optiplex 7080
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    i9-10900 10 core 20 threads
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    DELL 0J37VM
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    32 gb
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    none-Intel UHD Graphics 630
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    Integrated Realtek
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    Benq 27
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    2560x1440
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    256 m.2 2230-256+1 tb hdd
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    500w
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    Dell Premium
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    Logitech wired
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    Logitech wireless
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    so slow I'm too embarrassed to tell
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    Defender+MWB Premium
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    Windows 10 Pro 21H2
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    Dell Optiplex 9020
    CPU
    i7-4770
    Memory
    24 gb
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    Benq 27
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    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    256 gb Toshiba BG4 M.2 NVE SSB and 1 tb hdd
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    500w
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    MT
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    Dell factory
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....you will be lucky if it reaches a development team member, and even then, it could take a year or more (if ever) before a fix is issued
You would have to be very lucky indeed. There isn't actually a development team working on this any more, not since the end of 2017.

Microsoft said:
The features in this article are no longer being actively developed...

FeatureDetails and mitigationDeprecation announced
System Image Backup (SIB) SolutionWe recommend that users use full-disk backup solutions from other vendors.1709
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 RTM as a native boot vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    i5 M 520
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    4GB
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB HDD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 RTM as a native boot vhdx.
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