Insider Windows 11 Insider Canary Build 25352.1 - April 28

jimbo45 · Apr 30, 2023

This birdie release updated just fine from WU (both on a W2GO type of device) and a VM. I'll migrate to a physical Windows laptop -- the w2Go system I made via the VM route initially copies OK to a standard internal HDD without the problems of thinking it's still a Win2GO system when cloned from things like those systems made by Hasleo (paid software).

Nothing broken on my system so far - or at least nothing that bothers me.

I believe though you can drop out of the insider build program -- the easiest way is simply to restore a backed up standard non insider build of W11 or install one from scratch. Whether it means you actually drop out or not is just a technical issue as the effect is the same -- in order to get insider builds on the restored / newly installed system then just don't link an insider build to an Ms account --then you won't be offered insider builds on that installation.

cheers
jimbo

jimbo45 · Apr 30, 2023

Finshed installing (on W2GO external SSD connected to computer via USB3->SATA. Updated from previous Birdie release).

No problems at all.

Installed via WU worked pretty fast-- didn't use UUPDUMP this time just went via WU.

Now cloning to a physical Windows laptop to internal SSD (actually Nvme)

Need later to install photoshop again as it was broken on the previous Canary release -- some video driver problem when cloning from a VM --not surprising but hardly Windows's fault !!-- now fixed. Otherwise it's all working correctly.

I'm surprised at how a load of people seem to be reporting poor performance with this build --I suspect there's something wrong with their disk drivers, disk I/O subsystem generally, extremely poor 3rd party anti viruis software or incorrect paging values etc.

I've found for a lot of these things just let Windows choose default values for these -- it usually works far better than "random tinkering" unless you know what you are doing.

cheers
jimbo

jimbo45 · Apr 30, 2023

Photoshop etc now all working properly and system migrated tp Windows laptop and a VM - so 3 copies -- 1) wintogo, 2)physical windows laptop and 3) VM on Linux host. Still using PS CS6 -- I'm not getting the subscription things -- also this version works good enough for what I need anyway.

cheers
jimbo

Winuser · Apr 30, 2023

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I already read that notice . If you haven't read it I think you should. The notice was released after the 2500 builds were already released or to more precise, after a clean install was necessary if one wanted to drop out or switch to a different channel.

Winuser · Apr 30, 2023

cereberus said:
You could not drop out of Dev either, only Beta or RP. This is because Dev (and Canary) build numbers are always beyond the final release version - you cannot go backwards in build numbers.

In the past MS has opened the door to give us a change to switch to a different channel without needing to do a clean install. IMHO, MS should have given us the choice to stay in the Dev Channel or move to the Canary Channel. By the time I found out that what I thought was still the Dev Channel, I was already in the Canary Channel and a clean install was my only option to switch.

rseiler · Apr 30, 2023

@Winuser Yes, but I don't think they're that on the ball when it comes to thinking ahead. The 25xxx builds started around a year ago, which is when they would have had to do it (meaning some weeks before that), because once on a 25xxx build you're marooned.

Winuser · Apr 30, 2023

rseiler said:
@Winuser Yes, but I don't think they're that on the ball when it comes to thinking ahead. The 25xxx builds started around a year ago, which is when they would have had to do it (meaning some weeks before that), because once on a 25xxx build you're marooned.

Their thoughts were probably more toward making new emojis then to give us the opportunity to switch channels if we wanted.

Floki1992 · Apr 30, 2023

rseiler said:
@Winuser Yes, but I don't think they're that on the ball when it comes to thinking ahead. The 25xxx builds started around a year ago, which is when they would have had to do it (meaning some weeks before that), because once on a 25xxx build you're marooned.

they could have just let the dev channel on the 25xxx and canary version upgrade them to 26xxx

Winuser · Apr 30, 2023

Floki1992 said:
they could have just let the dev channel on the 25xxx and canary version upgrade them to 26xxx

True! With new emojis and desktop stickers on their minds they probably never gave any thought about it.

fg2001gf11F · Apr 30, 2023

Miracast still broken on Build 25352 like it was on 25346, they changed from RS to ZN Build, but they carried over the same bugs.

fg2001gf11F · Apr 30, 2023

OAT said:
Probably because many files are missing (screenshot below) from the last build.
Features now gone :

- Everything tied to MTestUx15 (no more pizza pie!)
(WASDK File Explorer, Gallery, new Home, new details pane, hide system tray date/time feature, start menu browsing history recommendations)

Access keys in XAML File Explorer context menus

Updated Simplified Chinese IME cloud suggestions

Ambient device lighting (RGB?) settings

Windows 365 Switch (to some extent?)

Thank you PhantomOcean3

Is there any way to change the ImageOverride (15)? Or is that another MS secret taboo?
All the features are Disabled and show ImageOverride (15).

cereberus · May 1, 2023

Winuser said:
In the past MS has opened the door to give us a change to switch to a different channel without needing to do a clean install. IMHO, MS should have given us the choice to stay in the Dev Channel or move to the Canary Channel. By the time I found out that what I thought was still the Dev Channel, I was already in the Canary Channel and a clean install was my only option to switch.

Yes this was a poorly thought out move but remember, even if you had remained on the old Dev build, you would have still checked in to the Hotel California.

You can only leave from Beta or RP. It has been this way for many years.

I always dual boot Insider Versions (in vhdx files) with my Host OS (the official release version). That way if something craps out, I can always clone release version and reupgrade.

The whole dev / canary idea is garbage as it is totally confusing why they out some features in one, and som in the other, and then make it worse with ridiculous A/B testing. In fact it is the latter that has pretty much made me consider whether I want to bother with Dev, Beta.

Going forward, I am thinking about sticking to Beta, and if a feature turns up I really want to try, I can simply copy my Beta Vhdx and upgrade as needed (takes no longer).

At the rate of really inane stuff (emojis, poxy widgets etc), I cannot see myself doing the above very often.

If I do get a Canardly or Dev build I wish to keep, I doubt I will upgrade it until a decent new feature comes along.

MS have really lost the plot!

jimbo45 · May 1, 2023

Hi folks
I don´t mind updating a system for these builds at a REASONABLE interval but this is getting rediculous --I only updated a load of systems YESTERDAY -- now I've got this new zn release or whatever -- well I'll go for it - but surely there's got to be a better way of handling these builds !!!!

If you annoy your testers -- especially if they are doing it for Free then it's lose-lose.

A lawyer friend of mine (yes even those people do have the odd friend or two) always says the ist thing they are taught on their first day at law college is "Never bore or annoy the Jury" -- Ms might like to adapt that advice for people using these builds and reduce the frequency -- if there's serious defects then there whole QC procedures need to be looked at -- as well as their regression testing (if they even know what that means).

Cheers
jimbo

martyfelker · May 1, 2023

My main concern is whether or not Cabary will ever morph into Windows 12 or whether to try to roll back to dev. Any ideas? Can I ever do this or is Canary in fact, like Hotel California.

OAT · May 1, 2023

I think MS made it clear that once in Canary, and now Dev, one would need to perform a clean installation in order to go back to a standard build.
Even if you were to opt out, your build number would still keep you checked-in at the Hotel.

martyfelker · May 1, 2023

I finished installing on my remaining NVmie hard drive (250GB). I figured it was better used than adding the drive to the RAID 0 array. Having time getting the boot menu for the Manjaro setup. Another day. Canary build of course.

Cheers
mf

Goot the boot menu with efibootmgr and set the timeout to 8 seconds. All is well with the desktop - back better than last summer when I almost died. Inappropriate to provide details so I won't

cheers.

mf 3/4 of a century and going stronger everly day

Winuser · May 1, 2023

@cereberus, IMHO, In the beginning the Insider builds were exciting and I couldn't wait to install the next build. Now they are boring and not really worth downloading. On my new desktop I do have two options if Idecide to leave the Insider Ring. I can use a very old image or do a clean install. Both options would require me to install and setup a number of programs. Some of the program I need to make sure I deactivate them first. I can do it but it takes hours getting everything setup and working the way I want. My old desktop and my laptop is easy to do a clean install. Most of the programs are free programs I downloaded.

martyfelker · May 1, 2023

Winuser said:
@cereberus, IMHO, In the beginning the Insider builds were exciting and I couldn't wait to install the next build. Now they are boring and not really worth downloading. On my new desktop I do have two options if Idecide to leave the Insider Ring. I can use a very old image or do a clean install. Both options would require me to install and setup a number of programs. Some of the program I need to make sure I deactivate them first. I can do it but it takes hours getting everything setup and working the way I want. My old desktop and my laptop is easy to do a clean install. Most of the programs are free programs I downloaded.

Then Canary program has only just started. Wait a bit. I did not install on a hard drive for nothing (I hope)

Winuser · May 1, 2023

OAT said:
I think MS made it clear that once in Canary, and now Dev, one would need to perform a clean installation in order to go back to a standard build.
Even if you were to opt out, your build number would still keep you checked-in at the Hotel.

MS should have left the Dev channel as it was and made switching to the Canary channel an option we had to choose if we wanted to upgrade. The way MS did it was in my opinion very ignorant. If MS wants us to test their builds for free, they should treat us better.