Windows 11 Secure Boot and Bitlocker

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After turning on Secure Boot to install Windows 11 preview I have to enter the Bitlocker key to use the recovery environment tools. I did not do anything to turn Bitlocker on. I can find information that says Bitlocker does NOT require Secure Boot but nothing that specifically answers the question of whether Secure Boot requires Bitlocker.

Where do I find information about the dependencies between Secure Boot, windows 11, and Bitlocker.
 

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The Secure Boot does not have any association with Bitlocker when you enable Secure Boot the Bitlocker does not enable you have to enable it yourself.
 

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The Secure Boot does not have any association with Bitlocker when you enable Secure Boot the Bitlocker does not enable you have to enable it yourself.
There are post stating that Bitlocker was turned on automatically.
 

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Enabling Secure Boot cannot enable Bitlocker automatically, they are two different security features.
 

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Enabling Secure Boot cannot enable Bitlocker automatically, they are two different security features.
Even in the thread there's no proof of it happening. In fact it proves it doesn't.
 

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Speculation on my part:

It could very well be possible that some OEM machines are set to automatically enable BitLocker if Secure Boot is enabled (as the OEM has it disabled by default), though, right? Maybe via a latent PS script, or Group Policy, that waits for SB to be enabled.

This might particularly be true of OEM machines targeting business users / OEM business class machines....

Which the OPs listed machine, a Lenovo Yoga 260, actually is: ThinkPad Yoga 260 | 12.5" 2-in-1 Business Laptop | Lenovo US

I see there are a ton of BL-related GP Settings listed here: BitLocker Group Policy settings (Windows 10) - Microsoft 365 Security and if Lenovo has created one or more GPOs to be enabled if certain conditions are met, this could be the result.
 

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In what way? Most of it is filled with how people didn't get their drives encrypted.

I "think" you might be missing the sarcasm :)

Getting back to this thread, yes, enabling Secure Boot does NOT auto enable BitLocker. That said, it should be noted I only use Gigabyte boards so... but I am 99.9% sure the same applies to any Intel based board. Also, enabling fTPM does not auto enable BitLocker.
 

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Speculation on my part:

It could very well be possible that some OEM machines are set to automatically enable BitLocker if Secure Boot is enabled (as the OEM has it disabled by default), though, right? Maybe via a latent PS script, or Group Policy, that waits for SB to be enabled.

This might particularly be true of OEM machines targeting business users / OEM business class machines....

Which the OPs listed machine, a Lenovo Yoga 260, actually is: ThinkPad Yoga 260 | 12.5" 2-in-1 Business Laptop | Lenovo US

I see there are a ton of BL-related GP Settings listed here: BitLocker Group Policy settings (Windows 10) - Microsoft 365 Security and if Lenovo has created one or more GPOs to be enabled if certain conditions are met, this could be the result.

None of which, as far as I can tell enable bitlocker encryption, just modify options if it is enabled.
It could be dome boot script that is configured by a policy.
 

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To the OP, enabling secure boot affects bitlocker. It performs an attestation to make sure your system has not been tampered with. If it detects that it may have (like a BIOS update), it can lock out (not decrypt) a drive that has been bitlocker encrypted. You need the recovery key to unlock it.

Are you sure your drive wasn't already encrypted when you enabled secure boot? It could have been from the get-go.


When you change secure boot settings on an already encrypted system, you will see that bitlocker might switch to recovery mode, requiring you to enter the recovery key before you can continue booting. So as with all bios changes, it is recommended to suspend (not disable) bitlocker before you do it.
As for OS upgrades, BL is suspended automatically in all versions of win8 or win10.
By the way, that latter behavior has caused a major outcry in the security scene as you can see here: http://blog.win-fu.com/2016/11/every-windows-10-in-place-upgrade-is.html
 
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In what way? Most of it is filled with how people didn't get their drives encrypted.
Hi,
The code part is the jewel since I didn't know that and now I do :cool:
 

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I "think" you might be missing the sarcasm :)

Getting back to this thread, yes, enabling Secure Boot does NOT auto enable BitLocker. That said, it should be noted I only use Gigabyte boards so... but I am 99.9% sure the same applies to any Intel based board. Also, enabling fTPM does not auto enable BitLocker.
Likely.. :ROFLMAO:
 

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Uh, no, NOT LIKELY, he's being serious.

ThrashZone did not link to the thread, but to Tairiku's post with code in it that he (Tairiku) employs to disable disk-level encryption immediately after install.
 

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Uh, no, NOT LIKELY, he's being serious.

ThrashZone did not link to the thread, but to Tairiku's post with code in it that he (Tairiku) employs to disable disk-level encryption immediately after install.
I was referring to the sarcasm bit. :cool:
 

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So was I.
 

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    Sound Card
    Realtek® ALC1220 Codec
    Monitor(s) Displays
    2 * Lenovo LT2323pwA Widescreeen
    Screen Resolution
    2* 1920*1080
    Hard Drives
    3x Sabrent Rocket PCIe Gen4 NVMe M.2 1 TB SSD (SB-ROCKET-NVMe4-1TB)
    SanDisk Ultra SDSSDHII-960G-G25 960 GB SATA III SSD
    Crucial MX100 CT256MX100SSD1 256GB SATA III SSD
    2 * Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST31000528AS 1TB 7200 RPM --> RAID1
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling’s Silencer Series 1050 Watt, 80 Plus Platinum
    Case
    Fractal Design Define 7 XL Dark ATX Full Tower Case
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 x64 Pro build 21H1
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Latitude E5470
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6300U CPU @ 2.40GHz, 2501 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)
    Motherboard
    Dell
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel(R) HD Graphics 520
    Sound Card
    Intel(R) HD Graphics 520 + RealTek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell laptop display 15"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 * 1080
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba 128GB M.2 22300 drive
    INTEL Cherryvill 520 Series SSDSC2CW180A 180 GB SATA III SSD
    PSU
    Dell
    Case
    Dell
    Cooling
    Dell
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master (shared) | Dell TouchPad
    Keyboard
    Dell
    Internet Speed
    AT&T LightSpeed Gigabit Duplex
    Browser
    Edge Chromium | Chrome | Firefox Nightly | Brave
    Antivirus
    Defender + MB4

Dru2

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My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 21H2 (22000.348)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom built
    CPU
    Intel i9-9900K
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte Aorus Z390 Xtreme
    Memory
    32G (4x8) DDR4 Corsair RGB Dominator Platinum (3600Mhz)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon VII
    Sound Card
    Onboard (ESS Sabre HiFi using Realtek drivers)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    NEC PA242w (24 inch)
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1200
    Hard Drives
    5 Samsung SSD drives: 2X 970 NVME (512 & 1TB), 3X EVO SATA (2X 2TB, 1X 1TB)
    PSU
    EVGA Super Nova I000 P2 (1000 watt)
    Case
    Cooler Master H500M
    Cooling
    Corsair H115i RGB Platinum
    Keyboard
    Logitech Craft
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 2S
    Internet Speed
    180mb upload. 11mb Download
    Browser
    Edge Chromium
    Antivirus
    Windows Security
    Other Info
    System used for gaming, photography, audiophile media center, work.
  • Operating System
    Win 11 Pro Dev build 22454.1000
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo ThinkPad Yoga X1
    CPU
    Intel i7-7600U
    Motherboard
    Intel
    Memory
    16igg
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel HD 620
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    14.0 WQHD OLED Touch
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1440
    Hard Drives
    1TB NVMe Drive (OEM)
    PSU
    laptop
    Case
    laptop
    Cooling
    Laptop cooling
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Anywhere 2S
    Keyboard
    Laptop
    Internet Speed
    100MB
    Browser
    Edge Chromium
    Antivirus
    Windows Security
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