Solved Your opinion on the 'Can of Worms' that is TPM


Hi there

seem to be 2 unrelated issues in this post -- TPM stuff and pin nrs / passwords.
As far as TPM's are concerned I'd wait until there's more clarity on the issue -- there's the TPM Diagnostics you can install from the "Install optional features" from Windows if you want to play around with it.
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Then to use it simply run TpmDiagnostics.exe

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As for passwords etc -- OLD technology still IMO works best -- simply in an old fashioned PAPER notebook (yes they still exist) write them down. If they aren't on the computer they can't be hacked and if the notebook gets stolen by due to house burglary etc then you;ve got much bigger problems to deal with than anything to do with computers !!!


Cheers
jimbo
 

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I have a different pin for each pc, and more than once there has been a glitch (changing processor and having to reset fTPM), which resulted in my having to log onto my Microsoft sccount to reset the pin. I reset using the same pin that that particular pc had to start with. I always use pins with both letters and numbers, but every time, I start off forgetting to check the box allowing that.
Yes I had to do that when I changed the motherboard. I have dropped using letters within a PIN because I also kept forgetting to tick the additional box .
 

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Hi there

seem to be 2 unrelated issues in this post -- TPM stuff and pin nrs / passwords.
As far as TPM's are concerned I'd wait until there's more clarity on the issue -- there's the TPM Diagnostics you can install from the "Install optional features" from Windows if you want to play around with it.

Then to use it simply run TpmDiagnostics.exe



As for passwords etc -- OLD technology still IMO works best -- simply in an old fashioned PAPER notebook (yes they still exist) write them down. If they aren't on the computer they can't be hacked and if the notebook gets stolen by due to house burglary etc then you;ve got much bigger problems to deal with than anything to do with computers !!!


Cheers
jimbo
I'm interested in that 'etc' - I presume that includes fire, forgetting where you put the notebook, sneak peeps by your house cleaner (If you have one), forgetting to put a password into the notebook at the time? Also, I usually take a laptop or at least a phone on holiday with me. Do I take the notebook with me, so that I can log on to my bank etc?
My own view is that passwords are, and always have been a recipe for disaster. Incidentally, the forgetting thing is becoming a bigger issue for me as I get older. :confused:
 

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An opinion on TPM
Beware of TPM, the Windows 11 requirement: you can lose your data

This opinion is why you should do regular backups of your system.
Aplologies in advance. The tone of my post is going to come off a bit harsh, that is 100% intended :-)

That article is pure nonsense. I could pull the TPM module out of my system and pulverize it, or take the hard drive out and stick it in another system with no TPM at all and I would still have flawless access to all my data. All I need is the Recovery Key for that drive.

I don't understand why people like the author of that article must try to instill FUD in people without even taking a few seconds (literally) to research the topic first. I guess that the author never ever BitLocker encrypted a drive. When doing so, the wizard forces you to save a copy of the Recovery Key. If he had ever tried it for himself, you would think that he would have realized that the Recovery Key serves a purpose beyond providing the user with an impressively long series of numbers to look at.

Another thing that the author makes absolutely zero mention of is backups. Even if his assertion that losing the TPM would render you unable to access your data was correct (it is not), then anyone even mildly interested in protecting their data would still have backups to fall back on. He doesn't even suggest that as a factor to take into consideration.

Bottom line: Never ever trust the opinion of one or two individuals posting tech info on the Internet. There are a lot of people who post purely uneducated, unresearched nonsense simply for the purpose of getting clicks. In fact, if this is a topic that interests you, please don't trust a word that I am saying here. Please research the issues at hand and maybe do a little testing. VMs are super helpful for testing issues like this.

It's best of you can find corroborating references especially from trusted sources, for example, Microsoft themselves.
 

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Aplologies in advance. The tone of my post is going to come off a bit harsh, that is 100% intended :)

That article is pure nonsense. I could pull the TPM module out of my system and pulverize it, or take the hard drive out and stick it in another system with no TPM at all and I would still have flawless access to all my data. All I need is the Recovery Key for that drive.

I don't understand why people like the author of that article must try to instill FUD in people without even taking a few seconds (literally) to research the topic first. I guess that the author never ever BitLocker encrypted a drive. When doing so, the wizard forces you to save a copy of the Recovery Key. If he had ever tried it for himself, you would think that he would have realized that the Recovery Key serves a purpose beyond providing the user with an impressively long series of numbers to look at.

Another thing that the author makes absolutely zero mention of is backups. Even if his assertion that losing the TPM would render you unable to access your data was correct (it is not), then anyone even mildly interested in protecting their data would still have backups to fall back on. He doesn't even suggest that as a factor to take into consideration.

Bottom line: Never ever trust the opinion of one or two individuals posting tech info on the Internet. There are a lot of people who post purely uneducated, unresearched nonsense simply for the purpose of getting clicks. In fact, if this is a topic that interests you, please don't trust a word that I am saying here. Please research the issues at hand and maybe do a little testing. VMs are super helpful for testing issues like this.

It's best of you can find corroborating references especially from trusted sources, for example, Microsoft themselves.
Hi there
I believe NO ONE should be allowed anywhere near a computer or be able to write anything about them until they have passed a competancy test in understanding what backups are and being able to make one on a "test machine". Vehicle, Train, bus and other Drivers and Pilots need to pass tests showing competancy in those things -- why not prospective computer users as well !!!!!!

Cheers
jimbo
 

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It's best of you can find corroborating references especially from trusted sources, for example, Microsoft themselves.
Agree. There is way too much misunderstanding, misinformation, and fear mongering going on where TPM (and BitLocker) is concerned.

TPM (1.2) has been around since about 2011, but many are hearing about it now because of Windows 11 and Microsoft's push to expand its role. This short overview gives a brief explanation of what TPM Is and where it's going - Trusted Platform Module (TPM) - Microsoft Research

I for one look forward to it.
 

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Two rules for úse of TPM ...
  1. You do not require an Active TPM to use Bitlocker
  2. You do not need to run Bitlocker if you have an active TPM
 

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Seems like this thread has been hashed to finality. I just have one question for my own information and education concerningnthese discussions concerning TPM and Pin @s. I've read all 4 pages here and while these are things I'm not bright enough to understand, I come away thinking that in order to have a PIN # to log into Windows one must have TPM functioning. (Unless I'm misreading these discussions.) But my 2 old machines don't have a TPM chip nor any software TPM. Both are older Win 10 machines, no TPM, and Home versions, so no Bitlocker. But both are using PIN #s to login. How is that reconciled with needing TPM?
 

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@starchase The way I understand it is one can use Windows Hello (ie pin) without a TPM present, but it is handled within software. However, if Windows detects that a TPM is present, the pin is handled by the TPM. It establishes a trusted relationship with the identity provider and the TPM creates an asymmetric key pair that is used for authentication. When you enter your PIN, it unlocks this authentication key within the TPM and uses that key to sign the request that is sent to the authenticating server (Microsoft).

Do I actually understand it all? No. But I know enough that I do not have a lot of faith in it. As I'm sure you could tell by the differing opinions in this thread, I'm not too sure that any layperson fully understands all the smoke and mirrors.
 

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Now if you add TPM to the mix on a new Dell laptop which a lot of new buyers have no idea what it's all about, windows hello is going to be the least of their problems when the master drive dies. :oops:
 

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    Love fast boots
Now if you add TPM to the mix on a new Dell laptop which a lot of new buyers have no idea what it's all about, windows hello is going to be the least of their problems when the master drive dies. :oops:
I bought my laptop in 2018 with TPM 2.0 and Intel SGX pre-installed. It only had a 128gb m2 drive. After 2 weeks of owning the I cloned the system over to a bigger m2 drive. using the new drives software, (Samsung). After I booted up, I downloaded windows and clean installed. I then reinstalled all of the drivers from the manufacturer's website. I still have the original M2 drive in a box. Everything went just fine. I am unsure though what would happen should a hard drive die but am thinking maybe a clean install on a new drive would work much the same way.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Huawei Matebook X Pro
    CPU
    intel 8250 I5
    Memory
    8gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    intel uhd 620
    Monitor(s) Displays
    built in laptop display
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1280
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 Evo 500gb M2
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
  • Operating System
    Windows 10
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer A515-43-R6DE
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7300U
    Memory
    16 GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    AMD Raedon RX Vega graphics onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15"6 FHD IPS Slim Bezel
    Hard Drives
    512cb PCie NVME SSD
    Case
    Pure Silver
    Mouse
    Touchpad and Logitech external mouse
    Keyboard
    Inbuilt
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
@humbird I read on a Microsoft site that when one has TPM that the TPM should be cleared BEFORE a clean install. It suggested that the TPM should be cleared from within Windows rather than in the bios whenever possible. If I can find the article again I will post it.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 22631.3296
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Optiplex 7080
    CPU
    i9-10900 10 core 20 threads
    Motherboard
    DELL 0J37VM
    Memory
    32 gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    none-Intel UHD Graphics 630
    Sound Card
    Integrated Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Benq 27
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    1tb Solidigm m.2 +256gb ssd+512 gb usb m.2 sata
    PSU
    500w
    Case
    MT
    Cooling
    Dell Premium
    Keyboard
    Logitech wired
    Mouse
    Logitech wireless
    Internet Speed
    so slow I'm too embarrassed to tell
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender+MWB Premium
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro 22H2 19045.3930
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Optiplex 9020
    CPU
    i7-4770
    Memory
    24 gb
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Benq 27
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    256 gb Toshiba BG4 M.2 NVE SSB and 1 tb hdd
    PSU
    500w
    Case
    MT
    Cooling
    Dell factory
    Mouse
    Logitech wireless
    Keyboard
    Logitech wired
    Internet Speed
    still not telling
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender+MWB Premium

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 22631.3296
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Optiplex 7080
    CPU
    i9-10900 10 core 20 threads
    Motherboard
    DELL 0J37VM
    Memory
    32 gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    none-Intel UHD Graphics 630
    Sound Card
    Integrated Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Benq 27
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    1tb Solidigm m.2 +256gb ssd+512 gb usb m.2 sata
    PSU
    500w
    Case
    MT
    Cooling
    Dell Premium
    Keyboard
    Logitech wired
    Mouse
    Logitech wireless
    Internet Speed
    so slow I'm too embarrassed to tell
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender+MWB Premium
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro 22H2 19045.3930
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Optiplex 9020
    CPU
    i7-4770
    Memory
    24 gb
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Benq 27
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    256 gb Toshiba BG4 M.2 NVE SSB and 1 tb hdd
    PSU
    500w
    Case
    MT
    Cooling
    Dell factory
    Mouse
    Logitech wireless
    Keyboard
    Logitech wired
    Internet Speed
    still not telling
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender+MWB Premium
Yes, I did clear it in windows back in 2018 when I did the clean install. Thanks
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Huawei Matebook X Pro
    CPU
    intel 8250 I5
    Memory
    8gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    intel uhd 620
    Monitor(s) Displays
    built in laptop display
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1280
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 Evo 500gb M2
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
  • Operating System
    Windows 10
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer A515-43-R6DE
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7300U
    Memory
    16 GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    AMD Raedon RX Vega graphics onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15"6 FHD IPS Slim Bezel
    Hard Drives
    512cb PCie NVME SSD
    Case
    Pure Silver
    Mouse
    Touchpad and Logitech external mouse
    Keyboard
    Inbuilt
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
Good for you!! :wink:
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i9-12900K Desktop Processor 16 (8P+8E)
    Motherboard
    Asus TUF Gaming Z790-PLUS WIFI D4
    Memory
    G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32gb (2x16gb) DDR4 3200mhz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Asus Dual Geforce Rtx™ 3060 TI Edition 8gb Gddr6
    Monitor(s) Displays
    BenQ EW3270U 31.5” 3840x2160 UHD 16:9 HDR LED 4K LG 27UK850-W 27'' 4K UHD IPS LED Monitor with HDR10
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 990 with heatsink PRO PCIe 4.0 Gen 4 NVMe® SSD 1TB
    WD_BLACK SN850X NVMe M.2 2280 1TB PCI-Express 4.0
    Crucial T500 2TB Gen4
    Samsung 970 Evo M.2 2280 2tb Pcie Gen3. X4
    PSU
    Corsair AXi Series AX860i Digital 860W 80 PLUS PSU
    Case
    Fractal Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case
    Keyboard
    Logi MX Keys
    Mouse
    Logi M705
    Internet Speed
    400 mbs
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Eset NOD32
    Other Info
    Love fast boots
It all took a bit of research so I wouldn't mess things up. :)
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Huawei Matebook X Pro
    CPU
    intel 8250 I5
    Memory
    8gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    intel uhd 620
    Monitor(s) Displays
    built in laptop display
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1280
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 Evo 500gb M2
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
  • Operating System
    Windows 10
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer A515-43-R6DE
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7300U
    Memory
    16 GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    AMD Raedon RX Vega graphics onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15"6 FHD IPS Slim Bezel
    Hard Drives
    512cb PCie NVME SSD
    Case
    Pure Silver
    Mouse
    Touchpad and Logitech external mouse
    Keyboard
    Inbuilt
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
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