Adding CA Certificates to Mini PC with N150 processor


gunrunnerjohn said:
I tried the ESC, F2, and F12 keys, none of them were recognized by the BIOS
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On Acemagic Mini PCs, use F7 to give you the boot menu. That will allow you to select the device to boot or enter BIOS setup.
 

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hsehestedt said:
On Acemagic Mini PCs, use F7 to give you the boot menu. That will allow you to select the device to boot or enter BIOS setup.
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Odd, I looked at all the very limited documentation and didn't find anything about the boot menu key. Since they didn't say anything, I tried all the default AMI BIOS keys, I wonder what possessed them to make it a non-standard key?

I'll have to try that next time I fire it up to boot from a USB. :)
 

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You folks realize that BIOS companies like AMI, Phoenix, or Insyde make money from licensing fees. And your Chinese OEM is cutting corners to save costs.
 

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garlin said:
You folks realize that BIOS companies like AMI, Phoenix, or Insyde make money from licensing fees. And your Chinese OEM is cutting corners to save costs.
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Certainly, so what is your plan on how I should remedy that situation? :unsure: I buy the products as advertised, I'm not the patent police. I'm sure a ton of similar products we buy have similar issues.
 

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My point is they're not going chose a fully featured BIOS. Which comes with the Mini PC territory, or like what happened before with cheap netbooks. The licensing becomes a non-trivial part of the manufacturing expense. So you're more likely to get a generic BIOS.
 

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garlin said:
My point is they're not going chose a fully featured BIOS. Which comes with the Mini PC territory, or like what happened before with cheap netbooks. The licensing becomes a non-trivial part of the manufacturing expense. So you're more likely to get a generic BIOS.
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OK, I'll certainly agree with that. That being the case, I can't imagine why the generic AMI BIOS keys weren't used, odd that a non-standard key triggers the boot menu. No big deal, just odd.

In any case, that's a minor issue, it turned out that the Secure Boot mechanism is fully implemented in this BIOS, so it's good enough for my purposes. :-)
 

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UEFI, not BIOS. BIOS doesn't have Secure Boot. ;-)
 

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pseymour said:
UEFI, not BIOS. BIOS doesn't have Secure Boot. ;-)
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Not sure who you're responding to. We were discussing the BIOS settings for Secure Boot. I agree, you don't "boot" the BIOS, it does the booting. :LOL:
 

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I didn't say anything about booting. There are no BIOS settings for Secure Boot, because Secure Boot is a UEFI thing. UEFI != BIOS.
 

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pseymour said:
I didn't say anything about booting. There are no BIOS settings for Secure Boot, because Secure Boot is a UEFI thing. UEFI != BIOS.
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That comes as news to me, what makes you think that?

What do you suppose these BIOS settings are? They sure look like Secure Boot settings to me!

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garlin said:
You folks realize that BIOS companies like AMI, Phoenix, or Insyde make money from licensing fees. And your Chinese OEM is cutting corners to save costs.
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Very aware of that. When I started researching why they would leave off the ability to enable secure boot I discoved then that there fees for the certs of course. But I did discover that if you press the right person for it, they may provide to you a BIOS version with Secure Boot. I just never bothered.

Ironically, it seems to be all the more expensive units (at least from Acemagic) that omit the Secure Boot but the cheap units on N97, N100, N150, etc. include it. Go figure.
 

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gunrunnerjohn said:
What do you suppose these BIOS settings are? They sure look like Secure Boot settings to me!
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Yes, that system has them. Not all do. Many Mini PCs report to Windows that they are capable of Secure Boot, but there is no way to actually enable it in the BIOS.
 

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hsehestedt said:
Ironically, it seems to be all the more expensive units (at least from Acemagic) that omit the Secure Boot but the cheap units on N97, N100, N150, etc. include it. Go figure.
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That does seem counterintuitive. :) I was believing that they left them out as well, they're just a bit harder to find in the menus for the PC.
 

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    Intel Core i5 14400
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte B760M DS3H AX
    Memory
    32GB DDR5
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel 700 Embedded GPU
    Sound Card
    Realtek Embedded
    Monitor(s) Displays
    27" HP 1080p
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Crucial P310 2TB 2280 PCIe Gen4 eD NAND PCIe SSD
    Samsung EVO 990 2TB NVMe Gen4 SSD
    Samsung 2TB SATA SSD
    PSU
    Thermaltake Smart BM3 650W
    Case
    Okinos Micro ATX Case
    Cooling
    Fans
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Comfort Curve 2000
    Mouse
    Logitech G305
    Internet Speed
    Verizon FiOS 1GB
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    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Malware Bytes & Windows Defender Security
  • Nimo N171 17" Laptop, (Intel i3-1215U, 16GB RAM, 2TB NVMe, Win11 Pro)
    Acemagic Vista Mini PC V1 (Intel N150, 16GB RAM, 1TB NVMe, Win11 Pro)
    HP ENVY h8-1540t, (24GB RAM, 2TB SSD, 2TB HDD, Win11 Pro)
hsehestedt said:
Yes, that system has them. Not all do. Many Mini PCs report to Windows that they are capable of Secure Boot, but there is no way to actually enable it in the BIOS.
Click to expand...
I think pseymour's contention was that there is no secure boot settings for any BIOS, that is patently false. There are in all the BIOS versions I have here on three machines.
 

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    Win 11 Pro 25H2, Build 26200.9168
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Home Brew
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 14500, 14th Generation
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte B760M G P WIFI
    Memory
    64GB DDR4
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce RTX 4060
    Sound Card
    Chipset Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG 45" Ultragear & Acer 24" 1080p
    Screen Resolution
    5120x1440 & 1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Crucial P310 2TB 2280 PCIe Gen4 3D NAND NVMe M.2 SSD (O/S)
    Silicon Power 2TB US75 NVMe PCIe Gen4 M.2 2280 SSD (backup)
    Crucial BX500 2TB 3D NAND (2nd backup)
    Seagate 4TB Ironwolf, rotating HDD archive files
    External off-line backup Drives: 2 NVMe 4TB drives in external enclosures
    PSU
    Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 750W
    Case
    LIAN LI LANCOOL 216 E-ATX PC Case
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    Lots of fans!
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Comfort Curve 2000
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    Logitech G305
    Internet Speed
    Verizon FiOS 1GB
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    Firefox
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    Malware Bytes & Windows Defender Security

  • At a glance

    Win 11 Pro 25H2, Build 26200.8973Intel Core i5 1440032GB DDR5Intel 700 Embedded GPU
    Operating System
    Win 11 Pro 25H2, Build 26200.8973
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Home Brew
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 14400
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte B760M DS3H AX
    Memory
    32GB DDR5
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel 700 Embedded GPU
    Sound Card
    Realtek Embedded
    Monitor(s) Displays
    27" HP 1080p
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Crucial P310 2TB 2280 PCIe Gen4 eD NAND PCIe SSD
    Samsung EVO 990 2TB NVMe Gen4 SSD
    Samsung 2TB SATA SSD
    PSU
    Thermaltake Smart BM3 650W
    Case
    Okinos Micro ATX Case
    Cooling
    Fans
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Comfort Curve 2000
    Mouse
    Logitech G305
    Internet Speed
    Verizon FiOS 1GB
    Browser
    Firefox
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    Malware Bytes & Windows Defender Security
  • Nimo N171 17" Laptop, (Intel i3-1215U, 16GB RAM, 2TB NVMe, Win11 Pro)
    Acemagic Vista Mini PC V1 (Intel N150, 16GB RAM, 1TB NVMe, Win11 Pro)
    HP ENVY h8-1540t, (24GB RAM, 2TB SSD, 2TB HDD, Win11 Pro)
pseymour said:
I didn't say anything about booting. There are no BIOS settings for Secure Boot, because Secure Boot is a UEFI thing. UEFI != BIOS.
Click to expand...
Any system with proper Secure Boot will have settings for it in the UEFI BIOS because there are operations such as key management and simply enabling / disabling Secure Boot that must be exposed by the BIOS.
 

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    Win11 Pro 25H2 (RTM+)
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acemagic
    CPU
    Intel i7-14650HX
    Memory
    32 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    No GPU - Built-in Intel Graphics
    Sound Card
    Integrated
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Varies as machine will often be moved to locations with different monitors
    Screen Resolution
    Varies
    Hard Drives
    1 x 1TB Gen 4 NVMe SSD
    PSU
    120W Power Brick
    Keyboard
    Corsair K70 Max RGB Magnetic Keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3
    Internet Speed
    1Gb Up / 1 Gb Down
    Browser
    Edge
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    Windows Defender

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    Win11 Pro 25H2 (RTM+)Intel i7-1255U16 GBIntel Iris Xe Graphics
    Operating System
    Win11 Pro 25H2 (RTM+)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo ThinkBook 13x Gen 2
    CPU
    Intel i7-1255U
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe Graphics
    Sound Card
    Realtek® ALC3306-CG codec
    Monitor(s) Displays
    13.3-inch IPS Display
    Screen Resolution
    WQXGA (2560 x 1600)
    Hard Drives
    2 TB 4 x 4 NVMe SSD
    PSU
    USB-C / Thunderbolt 4 Power / Charging
    Keyboard
    Backlit, spill resistant keyboard
    Mouse
    Buttonless Glass Precision Touchpad
    Internet Speed
    1Gb Up / 1Gb Down
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    Windows Defender
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    WiFi 6e / Bluetooth 5.1 / Facial Recognition / Fingerprint Sensor / ToF (Time of Flight) Human Presence Sensor
gunrunnerjohn said:
That comes as news to me, what makes you think that?

What do you suppose these BIOS settings are? They sure look like Secure Boot settings to me!
Click to expand...

They are UEFI settings, not BIOS settings.
 

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pseymour said:
They are UEFI settings, not BIOS settings.
Click to expand...
Please give it a break, now you're playing with semantics. They're configured in the BIOS setup, they're BIOS settings. Next you'll be telling me that the boot drive settings aren't BIOS settings, or the memory timing settings aren't BIOS settings. It's a UEFI BIOS, and those are settings for the UEFI!
 

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    Win 11 Pro 25H2, Build 26200.9168Intel Core i5 14500, 14th Generation64GB DDR4GeForce RTX 4060
    OS
    Win 11 Pro 25H2, Build 26200.9168
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Home Brew
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 14500, 14th Generation
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte B760M G P WIFI
    Memory
    64GB DDR4
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce RTX 4060
    Sound Card
    Chipset Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG 45" Ultragear & Acer 24" 1080p
    Screen Resolution
    5120x1440 & 1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Crucial P310 2TB 2280 PCIe Gen4 3D NAND NVMe M.2 SSD (O/S)
    Silicon Power 2TB US75 NVMe PCIe Gen4 M.2 2280 SSD (backup)
    Crucial BX500 2TB 3D NAND (2nd backup)
    Seagate 4TB Ironwolf, rotating HDD archive files
    External off-line backup Drives: 2 NVMe 4TB drives in external enclosures
    PSU
    Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 750W
    Case
    LIAN LI LANCOOL 216 E-ATX PC Case
    Cooling
    Lots of fans!
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Comfort Curve 2000
    Mouse
    Logitech G305
    Internet Speed
    Verizon FiOS 1GB
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Malware Bytes & Windows Defender Security

  • At a glance

    Win 11 Pro 25H2, Build 26200.8973Intel Core i5 1440032GB DDR5Intel 700 Embedded GPU
    Operating System
    Win 11 Pro 25H2, Build 26200.8973
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Home Brew
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 14400
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte B760M DS3H AX
    Memory
    32GB DDR5
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel 700 Embedded GPU
    Sound Card
    Realtek Embedded
    Monitor(s) Displays
    27" HP 1080p
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Crucial P310 2TB 2280 PCIe Gen4 eD NAND PCIe SSD
    Samsung EVO 990 2TB NVMe Gen4 SSD
    Samsung 2TB SATA SSD
    PSU
    Thermaltake Smart BM3 650W
    Case
    Okinos Micro ATX Case
    Cooling
    Fans
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Comfort Curve 2000
    Mouse
    Logitech G305
    Internet Speed
    Verizon FiOS 1GB
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Malware Bytes & Windows Defender Security
  • Nimo N171 17" Laptop, (Intel i3-1215U, 16GB RAM, 2TB NVMe, Win11 Pro)
    Acemagic Vista Mini PC V1 (Intel N150, 16GB RAM, 1TB NVMe, Win11 Pro)
    HP ENVY h8-1540t, (24GB RAM, 2TB SSD, 2TB HDD, Win11 Pro)
Yes, it was a quip about how UEFI and BIOS are different; people use them interchangeably when they're not. "UEFI BIOS" isn't even a thing. For some reason you felt like you needed to respond to it. This forum has an ignore feature.
 

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pseymour said:
Yes, it was a quip about how UEFI and BIOS are different; people use them interchangeably when they're not. "UEFI BIOS" isn't even a thing. For some reason you felt like you needed to respond to it. This forum has an ignore feature.
Click to expand...

You are 100% correct on this. I often use the term "UEFI BIOS" because it helps a lot of people understand what we are talking about although you are dead on correct in saying that "UEFI BIOS" is technically not even a thing.

I have had more than one person question what UEFI is but I when I use the term "UEFI BIOS" they seem to get it.

Maybe I should correct that to prevent teaching people incorrect terminology.

So, thanks, @pseymour, for making me re-evaluate this.

I guess I'm not too old to learn yet :-)
 

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    OS
    Win11 Pro 25H2 (RTM+)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acemagic
    CPU
    Intel i7-14650HX
    Memory
    32 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    No GPU - Built-in Intel Graphics
    Sound Card
    Integrated
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Varies as machine will often be moved to locations with different monitors
    Screen Resolution
    Varies
    Hard Drives
    1 x 1TB Gen 4 NVMe SSD
    PSU
    120W Power Brick
    Keyboard
    Corsair K70 Max RGB Magnetic Keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3
    Internet Speed
    1Gb Up / 1 Gb Down
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender

  • At a glance

    Win11 Pro 25H2 (RTM+)Intel i7-1255U16 GBIntel Iris Xe Graphics
    Operating System
    Win11 Pro 25H2 (RTM+)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo ThinkBook 13x Gen 2
    CPU
    Intel i7-1255U
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe Graphics
    Sound Card
    Realtek® ALC3306-CG codec
    Monitor(s) Displays
    13.3-inch IPS Display
    Screen Resolution
    WQXGA (2560 x 1600)
    Hard Drives
    2 TB 4 x 4 NVMe SSD
    PSU
    USB-C / Thunderbolt 4 Power / Charging
    Keyboard
    Backlit, spill resistant keyboard
    Mouse
    Buttonless Glass Precision Touchpad
    Internet Speed
    1Gb Up / 1Gb Down
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    WiFi 6e / Bluetooth 5.1 / Facial Recognition / Fingerprint Sensor / ToF (Time of Flight) Human Presence Sensor
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