Any way to go from Nahimic 3 to Nahimic 4?


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My PC came with A-Volute Nh3 Audio Effects Component (Nahimic 3 APO) included.
Does anyone know if it is possible to upgrade this to the newer Nahimic 4?
 

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No one has found a way, apparently. My MSI X570 GODLIKE came with APO3, and when I tried to manually force newer drivers with APO4 they flat out did not work. MSI only has 9057 drivers available on their website, and I've found that Windows 11 installs good enough drivers that work well with Atmos / DTS:X on my headphones, so I stopped trying to install the RealTek and Nahimic stuff after my last 2 clean installs.

When Mokichu was still psoting, IIRC, there was a small discussion about it in which someone said, something along the lines of "no, if your syustem came with APO3 you're locked into APO3" or something like that. I cannot prove otherwise because the couple of times I tried it never worked.
 

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asturias7 said:
My PC came with A-Volute Nh3 Audio Effects Component (Nahimic 3 APO) included.
Does anyone know if it is possible to upgrade this to the newer Nahimic 4?
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no you cannot, asturias7 (unless you feel like editing/modding certain INF files)

Nahimic 3 or APO3 and Nahimic 4 or APO4 component drivers have different "hardware IDs"

hardware IDs used for latest Nahimic APO3 driver (listed in the A-VoluteNh3ApoSwc.inf file)

Code: 
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_0000
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_0001
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_0100
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_0200
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_0300
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_0400
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_0401
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_0500
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_0600
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_0700
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_0800
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_0900
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_0D00
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_0E00
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_0F00
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_1000
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_1100
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_1200
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_1300
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_1400
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_1500
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_1600
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_1700
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_1800
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_1900
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_1A00
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_1B00
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_1C00
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_1D00
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_1E00
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_1F00
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_FFFF


hardware IDs used for latest Nahimic APO4 driver (listed in the A-VoluteNhApo4Swc.inf file)

Code: 
[ApoComponents.NTamd64.10.0]
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_0002
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_0102
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_0202
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_0302
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_0402
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_0502
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_0602
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_0702
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_0802
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_0902
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_0A02
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_0B02
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_0C02
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_0D02
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_0E02
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_0F02
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_1002
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_1102
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_1202
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_1302
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_1402
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_1502
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_1602
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_1702
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_1802
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_1902
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_1A02
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_1B02
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_1C02
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_1D02
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_1E02
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_1F02
%Apo.ComponentDesc% = ApoComponent_Install,SWC\VEN_AVOL&AID_FFFE

Nahimic APO3 driver is for some 11th gen intel & older (maybe down to 8th or 9th gen intel)
while the APO4 driver is for most 11th gen intel, 12th gen intel & newer systems



johnlgalt said:
No one has found a way, apparently. My MSI X570 GODLIKE came with APO3, and when I tried to manually force newer drivers with APO4 they flat out did not work. MSI only has 9057 drivers available on their website, and I've found that Windows 11 installs good enough drivers that work well with Atmos / DTS:X on my headphones, so I stopped trying to install the RealTek and Nahimic stuff after my last 2 clean installs.
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only way for you is maybe with a modded MSI Realtek driver from this forum.
 

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erpster4 said:
no you cannot, asturias7 (unless you feel like editing/modding certain INF files)

Nahimic 3 or APO3 and Nahimic 4 or APO4 component drivers have different "hardware IDs"

hardware IDs used for latest Nahimic APO3 driver (listed in the A-VoluteNh3ApoSwc.inf file)


Nahimic APO3 driver is for some 11th gen intel & older (maybe down to 8th or 9th gen intel)
while the APO4 driver is for most 11th gen intel, 12th gen intel & newer systems





only way for you is maybe with a modded MSI Realtek driver from this forum.
Click to expand...


Yes, I simply wanted to know if there was a way to uninstall Nahimic 3 and use 4.
Thanks anyhow! (y)
 

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erpster4 said:
<snip>

Nahimic APO3 driver is for some 11th gen intel & older (maybe down to 8th or 9th gen intel)
while the APO4 driver is for most 11th gen intel, 12th gen intel & newer systems





only way for you is maybe with a modded MSI Realtek driver from this forum.
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Hmmm. MSI Provides APO3 stuff for my X570 GODLIKE mobo (Zen2 arch, AM4 socket). Last time I cleanly installed Windows, I didn't even bother with the RT drivers from MSI (for one, still 9057, and for 2, Nahimic made Atmos and other spatial audio in my headsets and buds sound badly, I needed to disable one or the other).

Now that I replaced my Arctis Pro Wireless (built in DTS:X support) with the Arctis Nova Pro Wireless, though, I might have to try and see if installing the latest RT and Nahimic APO3 stuff for my mobo makes a difference without screwing the audio output.

Sometime. lol.
 

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    Windows 11 22H2 Current build
    Computer type
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    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 9 3950X
    Motherboard
    MSI MEG X570 GODLIKE
    Memory
    4 * 32 GB - Corsair Vengeance 3600 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 ULTRA GAMING (12G-P5-3955-KR)
    Sound Card
    Realtek® ALC1220 Codec
    Monitor(s) Displays
    2x Eve Spectrum ES07D03 4K Gaming Monitor (Matte) | Eve Spectrum ES07DC9 4K Gaming Monitor (Glossy)
    Screen Resolution
    3x 3840 x 2160
    Hard Drives
    3x Samsung 980 Pro NVMe PCIe 4 M.2 2 TB SSD (MZ-V8P2T0B/AM) } 3x Sabrent Rocket NVMe 4.0 1 TB SSD
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling’s Silencer Series 1050 Watt, 80 Plus Platinum
    Case
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    Keyboard
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    Dell Latitude E5470
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    Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6300U CPU @ 2.40GHz, 2501 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)
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    Memory
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    Graphics card(s)
    Intel(R) HD Graphics 520
    Sound Card
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    Dell laptop display 15"
    Screen Resolution
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