Avira antivirus - I can't uninstall, or repair it!


martinlest said:
Unfortunately, Windows Defender still doesn't work:
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I would suspect the problems lies co-incidentally in the system with Defender, rather than related to Avira

Mind you, having said that, nothing about Avira (and Avast) would surprise me, they're both (et al) more interested in the marketing side of their software than they are in system protection.

Irrespective of the current issues, you're better off without it. Although you've learnt at your expense, you've probably provided a salient warning for others.
 

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    Brave
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    Win 11 Home ♦♦♦26200.8457 ♦♦♦♦♦♦♦25H2
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    ViewSonic G90FB Black 19" Professional (CRT)
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    WD 36GB 10,000rpm Raptor SATA
    Seagate 80GB 7200rpm SATA
    Lite-On LTR-52246S CD/RW
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    PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad EPS12V
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    Generic Beige case, 80mm fans
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    ZALMAN 9500A 92mm CPU Cooler
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    Logitech Classic Keybooard 200
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    Logitech Optical M-BT96a
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    300/300
    Browser
    Firefox 3.x ??
    Antivirus
    Symantec (Norton)
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    Still assembled, still runs. Haven't turned it on for 15 years?
Yes, I did use the advanced option.

It seems that the blank Windows Security screen is a very common problem - I have spent an hour reading through threads and it seems that it is a Windows 11 bug. Thousands of people, according to Microsoft agent, have been afffected, in 23H2. I have tried several suggestions, running supposed scripts in PowerShell/admin, but no change.

I can post links to some of the forum threads, if anyone is interested?
 

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    Windows 11 23H2
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    PC/Desktop
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    i9-11900KF
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    Intel Z590-PLUS
    Memory
    64GB DDR4
    Graphics Card(s)
    Asus ProArt RTX 4070 Ti Super 16GB
    Hard Drives
    1 x Evo 860 2TB + 2 x Evo 850 500GB SSDs
    PSU
    Corsair 850W
    Cooling
    Corsair H100i AIO
Scroll down to the Test Results chart.
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(y).. Yes, BitDefender and Malwarebytes look good. I have the setup.exe for the former, but haven't installed it yet.

I would suspect the problems lies co-incidentally in the system with Defender, rather than related to Avira
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Seems so (as per my previous post). :rolleyes:
 

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    Windows 11 23H2
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    PC/Desktop
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    i9-11900KF
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    Intel Z590-PLUS
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    64GB DDR4
    Graphics Card(s)
    Asus ProArt RTX 4070 Ti Super 16GB
    Hard Drives
    1 x Evo 860 2TB + 2 x Evo 850 500GB SSDs
    PSU
    Corsair 850W
    Cooling
    Corsair H100i AIO
Avira and Avast were the 2 AV I recommended for years. They quietly just did their job. But no more and not for quite a while. They have become so invasive that IMO they themselves are malware. If one does not use Revo or another similar uninstaller that will fully scan and clean the registry, I strongly suggest you manually search for and remove all the crap either of those AV apps leave behind.....and they leave behind a lot. The last time I tried to get rid of Avira for a friend who had installed 3 different AV apps, I ended up backing up everything and clean installing. On a side note, another AV that is almost as bad now is AVG.
 

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    Windows 11 Pro 25H2
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Optiplex 7080
    CPU
    i9-10900 10 core 20 threads
    Motherboard
    DELL 0J37VM
    Memory
    32 gb
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    none-Intel UHD Graphics 630
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    Integrated Realtek
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    Benq 27
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    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    2x1tb Solidigm m.2 nvme /External drives 512gb Samsung m.2 sata+2tb Kingston m2.nvme
    PSU
    500w
    Case
    MT
    Cooling
    Dell Premium
    Keyboard
    Logitech wired
    Mouse
    Logitech wireless
    Internet Speed
    so slow I'm too embarrassed to tell
    Browser
    #1 Edge #2 Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender+MWB Premium
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    Windows 11 Pro 24H2 26200.8457
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    PC/Desktop
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    Beelink Mini PC SER5
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    AMD Ryzen 7 6800U
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    32 gb
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    integrated
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    integrated
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    Benq 27
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    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    1TB Crucial nvme
    Keyboard
    Logitech wired
    Mouse
    Logitech wireless
    Internet Speed
    still too embarrassed to tell
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    System 3 is non compliant Dell 9020 i7-4770/24gb ram Win11 PRO 26200.8457
Yes, a shame. As I said, I let 'Everything' search for any remnants and Revo to clear the registry: about as 'clean' as I am going to get it, I think. The Defender problem looks to be a known bug - I have wasted a lot of time trying to fix it, to no avail. It works fine on the Windows 10 part of the PC: I guess I could use that to scan the Windows 11 disc - but more effective to just install something like BitDefender.
 

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    Windows 11 23H2
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    PC/Desktop
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    i9-11900KF
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    Intel Z590-PLUS
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    64GB DDR4
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    Asus ProArt RTX 4070 Ti Super 16GB
    Hard Drives
    1 x Evo 860 2TB + 2 x Evo 850 500GB SSDs
    PSU
    Corsair 850W
    Cooling
    Corsair H100i AIO
martinlest said:
Yes, BitDefender and Malwarebytes look good. I have the setup.exe for the former, but haven't installed it yet.
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I use Bitdefender Total Security (paid) ($60/year)

It included a firewall, which actually does what a firewall should, and isn't an MS firewall.
It is bloated though. I only use three of the thirteen modules... (RED boxes)

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www.bitdefender.com

Bitdefender Security Software Solutions for Home Users

Bitdefender's advanced cybersecurity software solutions are designed to protect your devices, so you never have to worry. Try them now!
www.bitdefender.com www.bitdefender.com

It seems to be a lot cheaper at Amazon...
Bitdefender Total Security 2026


Btw, it also comes with 24/7 human phone support.

I've been using it since 2013 with NO problems.

It does use some resources, but not as much as Firefox, for example...

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    Win 11 Home ♦♦♦26200.8457 ♦♦♦♦♦♦♦25H2
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    Built by Ghot® [May 2020]
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    AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
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    Asus Pro WS X570-ACE (BIOS 5302)
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    G.Skill (F4-3200C14D-16GTZKW)
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    EVGA RTX 2070 (08G-P4-2171-KR)
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    Realtek ALC1220P / ALC S1220A
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    Dell U3011 30"
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    2560 x 1600
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    2x Samsung 860 EVO 500GB,
    WD 4TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
    WD 8TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
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    PC Power & Cooling 750W Quad EPS12V
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    Cooler Master ATCS 840 Tower
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    CM Hyper 212 EVO (push/pull)
    Keyboard
    Ducky DK9008 Shine II Blue LED
    Mouse
    Logitech Optical M-100
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    300/300
    Browser
    Firefox (latest)
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    Bitdefender Total Security
    Other Info
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    Windows XP Pro 32bit w/SP3
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    PC/Desktop
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    Built by Ghot® (not in use)
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    AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ (OC'd @ 3.2Ghz)
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    ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wireless Edition
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    TWIN2X2048-6400C4DHX (2 x 1GB, DDR2 800)
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    EVGA 256-P2-N758-TR GeForce 8600GT SSC
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    Onboard
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    ViewSonic G90FB Black 19" Professional (CRT)
    Screen Resolution
    up to 2048 x 1536
    Hard Drives
    WD 36GB 10,000rpm Raptor SATA
    Seagate 80GB 7200rpm SATA
    Lite-On LTR-52246S CD/RW
    Lite-On LH-18A1P CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad EPS12V
    Case
    Generic Beige case, 80mm fans
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    ZALMAN 9500A 92mm CPU Cooler
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    Logitech Classic Keybooard 200
    Mouse
    Logitech Optical M-BT96a
    Internet Speed
    300/300
    Browser
    Firefox 3.x ??
    Antivirus
    Symantec (Norton)
    Other Info
    Still assembled, still runs. Haven't turned it on for 15 years?
I'll go with the free version for now (not a fan of annual subscription purchases). I shouldn't tempt fate by saying so, but the last time I had any issues with malware or viruses must be over 15 years ago. I am careful, fairly 'savvy' (I like to think!) and the PC in question, being used for flight simulation only, isn't really at much risk in any case: no email or browsing dodgy sites and so on; justy a few airport sceneries or aircraft downloaded from trusted flightsim sites every so often. Even so, I wouldn't like to be without any protection now that Defender isn't working (Defender Firewall seems fine).
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 23H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    i9-11900KF
    Motherboard
    Intel Z590-PLUS
    Memory
    64GB DDR4
    Graphics Card(s)
    Asus ProArt RTX 4070 Ti Super 16GB
    Hard Drives
    1 x Evo 860 2TB + 2 x Evo 850 500GB SSDs
    PSU
    Corsair 850W
    Cooling
    Corsair H100i AIO
glasskuter said:
Avira and Avast were the 2 AV I recommended for years. They quietly just did their job. But no more and not for quite a while. They have become so invasive that IMO they themselves are malware. If one does not use Revo or another similar uninstaller that will fully scan and clean the registry, I strongly suggest you manually search for and remove all the crap either of those AV apps leave behind.....and they leave behind a lot. The last time I tried to get rid of Avira for a friend who had installed 3 different AV apps, I ended up backing up everything and clean installing. On a side note, another AV that is almost as bad now is AVG.
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AVG was bought by Avast as was Avira. Now they're all part of Gen.
 

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rick99 said:
AVG was bought by Avast as was Avira. Now they're all part of Gen.
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Thanks. I was unaware of that. That explains it and also why CCleaner is now a pile of poop. Only way I use CCleaner now is an old portable version from when I got CCleaner from Piriform.
 

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    Windows 11 Pro 25H2
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    PC/Desktop
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    Dell Optiplex 7080
    CPU
    i9-10900 10 core 20 threads
    Motherboard
    DELL 0J37VM
    Memory
    32 gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    none-Intel UHD Graphics 630
    Sound Card
    Integrated Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Benq 27
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    2x1tb Solidigm m.2 nvme /External drives 512gb Samsung m.2 sata+2tb Kingston m2.nvme
    PSU
    500w
    Case
    MT
    Cooling
    Dell Premium
    Keyboard
    Logitech wired
    Mouse
    Logitech wireless
    Internet Speed
    so slow I'm too embarrassed to tell
    Browser
    #1 Edge #2 Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender+MWB Premium
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 24H2 26200.8457
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Beelink Mini PC SER5
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 6800U
    Memory
    32 gb
    Graphics card(s)
    integrated
    Sound Card
    integrated
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Benq 27
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    1TB Crucial nvme
    Keyboard
    Logitech wired
    Mouse
    Logitech wireless
    Internet Speed
    still too embarrassed to tell
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    System 3 is non compliant Dell 9020 i7-4770/24gb ram Win11 PRO 26200.8457
glasskuter said:
Thanks. I was unaware of that. That explains it and also why CCleaner is now a pile of poop. Only way I use CCleaner now is an old portable version from when I got CCleaner from Piriform.
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I don't even use the portable version anymore. I've been satisfied with 11's cleaner and Microsoft PC Manager.
 

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Only way I use CCleaner now is an old portable version from when I got CCleaner from Piriform
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Exactly the same here!
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 23H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    i9-11900KF
    Motherboard
    Intel Z590-PLUS
    Memory
    64GB DDR4
    Graphics Card(s)
    Asus ProArt RTX 4070 Ti Super 16GB
    Hard Drives
    1 x Evo 860 2TB + 2 x Evo 850 500GB SSDs
    PSU
    Corsair 850W
    Cooling
    Corsair H100i AIO
Hmmm... JFYI.. BitDefender has spent its first few hours active on my PC by 'disinfecting' it of my precious and perfectly harmless vbs files (many of which took me hours, if not days to write and perfect!). Fortunately, it isn't hard to restore them and programme exceptions.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 23H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    i9-11900KF
    Motherboard
    Intel Z590-PLUS
    Memory
    64GB DDR4
    Graphics Card(s)
    Asus ProArt RTX 4070 Ti Super 16GB
    Hard Drives
    1 x Evo 860 2TB + 2 x Evo 850 500GB SSDs
    PSU
    Corsair 850W
    Cooling
    Corsair H100i AIO
martinlest said:
Hmmm... JFYI.. BitDefender has spent its first few hours active on my PC by 'disinfecting' it of my precious and perfectly harmless vbs files (many of which took me hours, if not days to write and perfect!). Fortunately, it isn't hard to restore them and programme exceptions.
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Add them to Bitdefender's exclusion list
 

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    Windows 11 Pro 25H2 build: (26200.7623)
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    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Microsoft Surface Pro
    Memory
    32GB
  • Operating System
    Microsoft 25H2 Pro
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    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Pro 14 - PC14250
    CPU
    Intel Core Ultra 7
    Memory
    64GB
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    Intel Integrated Graphics
    Hard Drives
    Micron 1TB SSD
Yes, I have been doing that - after a while the manually-added exclusions will cover everything I need, so that I won't have the slight annoyance of these constant (at the moment) false positives.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 23H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    i9-11900KF
    Motherboard
    Intel Z590-PLUS
    Memory
    64GB DDR4
    Graphics Card(s)
    Asus ProArt RTX 4070 Ti Super 16GB
    Hard Drives
    1 x Evo 860 2TB + 2 x Evo 850 500GB SSDs
    PSU
    Corsair 850W
    Cooling
    Corsair H100i AIO
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