Solved Boot Path

MrPig · Aug 9, 2024

One for the experts!

Have been fiddling with my Win 11 box to figure out why it freezes at boot with a USB card fitted.

Anyway run BCDedit & diskpart in two windows & I see this:

Should bootmgr device be the same as diskpart i.e. volume 2? How do I change it!!

neemobeer · Aug 9, 2024

Nope, but you would think so. Diskpart numbering starts at 0 but disk objects otherwise in Windows start at 1. So in your screenshots Vol3 in bcd is vol2 in diskpart.

Ghot · Aug 9, 2024

@MrPig

Here's some more examples of Windows and 3rd party apps... weirdness.

MrPig · Aug 9, 2024

Should I have expected anything else.....

pseymour · Aug 9, 2024

Some programming languages start arrays at index 0; some use 1. Some don't require you to use integers at all.

"The good thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from." -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum

Spunk · Aug 9, 2024

MrPig said:
Have been fiddling with my Win 11 box to figure out why it freezes at boot with a USB card fitted.

By USB "Card", Do you mean a USB Flash driver? Or an SD Card? Or a USB HDD?
In Diskpart type List Disk. Is F: Backup a separate Disk? Does the computer boot normally without the "card" installed?
If so, that would suggest that the "card' has an issue.
Have you tried the "Card" on another computer?

If an SD card, are you using a USB SD card reader?

Ghot · Aug 9, 2024

pseymour said:
"The good thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from." -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum

That was a good one.

MrPig · Aug 10, 2024

Spunk said:
By USB "Card", Do you mean a USB Flash driver? Or an SD Card? Or a USB HDD?
In Diskpart type List Disk. Is F: Backup a separate Disk? Does the computer boot normally without the "card" installed?
If so, that would suggest that the "card' has an issue.
Have you tried the "Card" on another computer?

If an SD card, are you using a USB SD card reader?

Should be more specific, USB expansion card.

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Spunk · Aug 10, 2024

MrPig said:
it freezes at boot with a USB card fitted.

Did test the card on another computer?
It is possible that the card is failing, or has failed.

MrPig · Aug 10, 2024

Tried the card on my old X99 box & it works fine, also bought a Renesas based card & it also locked up. Gigabyte recommended cards have only two ports, the cards I have tried had 4 or more ports. I have 2 port card arriving tomorrow will see if this fixes the issue.

Ghot · Aug 10, 2024

MrPig said:
I have 2 port card arriving tomorrow will see if this fixes the issue.

Good luck.

SIW2 · Aug 10, 2024

Should bootmgr device be the same as diskpart i.e. volume 2? How do I change it!!

you can have a look at the symbolic links with winobj

or siv under disk mappings

SIV - System Information Viewer

rh-software.com

or diskgenius

MrPig · Aug 11, 2024

New card arrived & fitted, some cheap 2-port card with Renesas chip & it works!! No lockups after several re-starts.
The BIOS does not see a hub but Windows installed Renesas Host Controller & it works.
So the question is does Windows 11 hate additional hubs & locks-up or is the BIOS the problem?
Why if I go through the boot manager does it work OK with a multi-port card?

Spunk · Aug 11, 2024

What is the Make and Model # of the 4 port USB Card?
Have you gone to their web site and see if there is a Firmware Update?

I have a 4 port USB Card inside my desktop running Windows 11 and I have had no problems locking up or any other issues.
Your issue sounds more like the cards problem then Windows 11.

Updating your computers Bios, may help.

MrPig · Aug 11, 2024

Card make is Yeeliya never found the makers website. BIOS is latest.
What motherboard do you have? I'm thinking these cards don't like the GEN4/5 PCIe slots.

Bree · Aug 11, 2024

MrPig said:
Should be more specific, USB expansion card.

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MrPig said:
Card make is Yeeliya never found the makers website.

This appears to be the manual for the Yeeliya 4-port.

YEELIYA PCI-E to USB3.0 Type C +Type A Expansion Card (PCIe Card)4 Ports USB Port Card User Manual | Manualzz

View online (12 pages) or download PDF (519 KB) YEELIYA UP5100, PCI-E to USB3.0 Type C +Type A Expansion Card (PCIe Card)4 Ports, YEELIYA PCIe USB 3.0 Card Type C USB Card Superspeed(5Gbps), YEELIYA PCI-E to Type C (2),Type A (3) USB 3.0 5-Port PCI Express Expansion Card +Expanding 2 USB 3.0...

manualzz.com

The support site link from the manual is here: https://support.frescologic.com/portal/en/kb/articles/usb

MrPig · Aug 12, 2024

Got that Bree & the driver, no difference.

MrPig · Aug 12, 2024

Just for fun I re-fitted the dodgy USB card & apart from a few oddities it boots!!

Ghot · Aug 12, 2024

MrPig · Aug 13, 2024

That didn't last long! Appears the Fresco Logic driver has a x64 hub controller driver that is not installed. So I installed onto the hubs listed as other devices & it worked. A reboot & it locked up!

I can only surmise that the FL5001 root hub controller is the cause of the lockups, this is a 4 port device.

Windows 11 driver is only picking up the FL1100 & not the FL5001 during boot, so why does the card work OK on my old X99 Win 10 box?
Are these cards simply too old for Windows 11 as the drivers are Win 10 & not Win 11 specific?