Cloud Storage - Is it worth it


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Cloud storage is supposed to be encrypted.
As I've already mentioned, I use OneDrive, and love it. And hardly anything is sensitive material.
My biggest uploads are my FLAC music for backups.

If you're concerned about storing stuff in the cloud because it's on someone else's computer, then I'd be more concerned about password managers like LastPass. You're storing all your passwords on someone else's computer. I predict a security breach one day. That's why I use Enpass.
 

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My opinion is...use an external hard drive. When using a "cloud" service you are putting your files/data on someone else's computer. Then you "they" can do what they want with them. If they go out of business, who do you think the files belong too? I bet there is a user agreement form that you just said ok to (where all guilty of this) that will tell you that your files now belong to them. Umm.

I do use onedrive but only for things I really don't care about...but nothing important.

Just my .2 cents. Hope this helps.
In order to ensure privacy you can encrypt your files that are backed up in the cloud. As regards a service provider going out of business, if Microsoft goes out of business then there will be much more to worry about on a global scale than just one's backups.
 

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For crying out loud - OP has 1 TB of cloud space (as do I) from UKs premier ISP.

There is no flipping reason at all why she should not use it to backup things like Reflecr backups WHICH are obviously on backup drives in the first place

The ONLY important point is that CRITICAL data should be backed up in two places.

All these replies are just confusing the poor girl. Read her original post and it is obvious she is just unsure HOW to use storage she ALREADY has.

Most responses here just people not relevant to her needs.

So OP - it is fine to use BT Cloud and all you need to do is develop a suitable backup strategy that suits you.

Here is mine as an example but everybody is different.

I store data on a seprate drive to OS.

I store critical data (data I cannot lose) on an external hard drives and cloud. The critical data is aitomatically synced - cloud is great for this.

I store important data e.g. Reflect Backups on an external drive but every so often e.g. once a month I also upload one to the cloud as a fall back position accepting it might be a few weeks out of date.

Less important/critical data gets backed up perodically to external drive.

Finally Disposable data never gets backed up e.g. videos I can redownload from BBC.

So using cloud is fine but can be a valuable part of your backup strategy.

Onething a lot of users here forget to mention is you can use cloud anywhere. You may not want to carry your external drives everywhere.

So don"t let all the negativists scare you off. Develop a backup strategy that suits you and use the Cloud in a way that suits you.

In simple terms, do not put all you eggs in one basket.

PS re. encryption - that is a personal choice but some do exaggerate risk somewhat.
 

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Onething a lot of users here forget to mention is you can use cloud anywhere.
More than one thing actually, everyone seems to be comparing 1TB local vs 1TB cloud, it does not work like that.
For starters, if a local disk dies, that is it, files are gone. Cloud is backed up multiple times, including file versioning.
People say not to rely on one backup, true, but you can use multiple cloud backups, like gdrive, onedrive, icedrive.
As for the price, if you get a good deal, it pays off, like a lifetime cloud, realistically 10-20 years, but it is worth it.
In order to ensure privacy you can encrypt your files that are backed up in the cloud.
Lets not forget encrypting file names as well, cloud providers are known to prohibit files even based on the name/hash.
Is it worth spending time uploading to a cloud service and indeed is there a limit imposed on the maximum size of files.
Some impose limits, but they usually do not brag about it, because that is pretty decisive factor for users
Onedrive has increased the limit to 250GB, icedrive has no limit, gdrive has 5TB, but 750GB daily bandwidth.
Also remember that many cloud storage services/software are SYNCHING services, not backup. Many a user has been bitten by deleting files off their device because they're already "in the cloud", only to find auto synching has also subsequently deleted the files from the cloud storage to match the device ... Now, I wonder why I immediately think of OneDrive ...?:grrr:
I know this one very well, I relied on onedrive too much. I had older backups, but several days of work was gone.
A 320GB file is huge and would take ages to upload. Just a minor glitch and upload will fail.
That is not a problem with reliable providers, you can easily pause and resume.
 
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When I started reading your reply cerebus I had the feeling of singing from the same hymn sheet as yourself. As I said in my initial post, I have several copies of my backups in the hope that should the worst happen at least one of them will survive. True, I don't have different medias but I'm happy with having so many copies using the same media.

Like you I try to keep my OS drive purely for my OS - literally everything that CAN be put on another drive is PUT on another drive. Nevertheless, I ALWAYS backup my OS drive on a weekly basis. I also have another four partitions I backup every week comprising Programs, Data, Audio and Source Files/Misc Info (a drive used purely to store my source files as well as text files explaining how I've overcome problems etc. and various other misc files).

I first backup everything (including drivers, Firefox and Thunderbird Profiles, Mailwasher and Chrome User Files) to one internal drive and then use a script to copy them to three external drives each containing a 1TB SSD. I also use a similar process to backup my husband's PC and our spare PC. One of the drives contains all our latest backups and the other two also have backups of at least the previous three weeks which has occasionally paid off.

Well I've gone into a fair bit of detail about my current backup strategy and I'm thinking about how it may be improved, if indeed it needs improvement.

Incidentally, what threw me about IE was that it was written in uppercase! I've always written it in lowercase and never at the end of a sentence and yes, I've also understood it to mean 'that is' not 'for example'. I had no idea what OP meant - but I do now, thank you very much.

Again, thanks to all who have taken the trouble to respond - it seems to have really opened a can of worms.

Tracey
 

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If you're concerned about storing stuff in the cloud because it's on someone else's computer, then I'd be more concerned about password managers like LastPass. You're storing all your passwords on someone else's computer. I predict a security breach one day
But if you do some research on how tools like LastPass work, you may be less concerned about the technology. Your passwords are stored as a hash within your LastPass account. This is the reason that you screwed if you manage to forget your master password because there isn't a way for LastPass to decrypt your hashes with any information they have stored on their systems.

Your passwords are encrypted and decrypted directly on your PC using AES-256 encryption before syncing over TLS to LastPass.. Your master password as well as the keys used to encrypt and decrypt your data are not sent to LastPass, they stay on your local device.

I think tools like LastPass are far better than just using the same username and password on every website out there. This is almost a guaranteed exploit waiting to happen.
 

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Again, thanks to all who have taken the trouble to respond - it seems to have really opened a can of worms.

Tracey
Anything having to do with the use of the cloud is a can of worms. Some use it, some don't . Some trust it, some never will. Coke or Pepsi, Chevy or Ford, etc.

The cloud is here to stay for the forseeable future. Whether you choose to use it, is up to you. But business's will continue to use it. Lot's of people use it without really even thinking about it. For example, how many people use gmail for their email? That's all in the cloud. I never am concerned with logging in that all of my email is going to be gone. I use an Android phone and all of my contacts are in the cloud. And I use Google Chrome and all of my bookmarks and such are stored in the cloud. I never feel a need to back them up locally.
 

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Everything I have is in CLOUD/One Drive, with 3 laptops being sync'd. Same files/information are on a Flash Drive. I uipdate the Flash Drive accordingly. End of my simple saving/storing info, for..........regular home use, that is.

I have no qualms over One Drive storage, for my valuables or keep sake. But as others have said, there are others too, perhaps with mo. / yearly charges, for example.
 

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Ask if BT has an option to mail your initial 320 GB backup file in a hard drive for them to upload to your account. Also ask if they have block level backup; only sync what has changed.

Austin City Limits (the American PBS music show) had 40 TB of videotapes to upload to Backblaze B2 storage; Backblaze sent them a portable RAID array for them to ship back with their archival data.
 

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@TraceyW

IE - is another way of saying "For Example" so it would read "buying storage for example HDD drives for backup"

OP - means "Original Poster" so it would read "Original Poster" has 1TB of cloud storage as part of ISP contract"
I.e. means "that is". E.g. means "for example". Just saying. ;-)
 
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I have a modest amount of data, including my photos. I cull photos ruthlessly and my personal data after many years is still less than 400GB. My SSD is 1TB and I keep all my data and photos in my local OneDrive folder. I have it set to stay in sync with my 1TB cloud OneDrive in real-time.

I also do 2 additional local backups including Windows File History. It's very important for me to have one off-site backup. I love it when I get a new computer and all I have to do is log into Windows and all my data and photos are instantly there!

Even though OneDrive is built into the Operating System, I'm always amazed with the number of Microsoft Windows users that are clueless about how Microsoft OneDrive actually works.
 

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I have a modest amount of data, including my photos. I cull photos ruthlessly and my personal data after many years is still less than 400GB.
That's me. All my saved data from my first days into PCs (1998 to now) is less than 12TB, but that includes my photo files (RAW & tiff), and digital music collection. Yeah, I have my "just in case" stuff, but it's predicated on a timeline - after certain amount of time it's gone.

Even though OneDrive is built into the Operating System, I'm always amazed with the number of Microsoft Windows users that are clueless about how Microsoft OneDrive actually works.
Yeah, especially from some of the "I've been working in IT since 1969" experts. And when you hear some of the stories/reasons, you're left with... "what???" o_O as you look to that of your experience along with others who use OneDrive without issue.

For me, OneDrive is such an essential part of how I manage and access certain files it's now a top 3 must have app.
 

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These days often data is more valuable than the hardware so backing it up snsibly is of course necessary. Cloud is also convenient for data when you don't want to carry around extra devices etc. Any of the major cloud providers e.g Ms,Google, (Cr)-apple etc are decently robust, reliable and safe. Cost isn't too much either - especially for storage < 1TB.

However 2 caveats - Don't store sensitive / personal data on it, and 2) if you like certain nameless topics which might make you a "person of interest" then don't store that material in the cloud either.

Keep also your cloud data backed up on an external data source too.

One nightmare for I.T admins though - these days work computers can be secured against people using "un-authorized" usb devices etc and preventing copying of files from "authorised devices" to their own ones (so possibly copying / stealing company data etc) it's much harder to prevent this when users have access to internet and hence their cloud servers.

If used sensibly it's a great addition to modern I.T as in combination with decent internet - a great tool.

I agree about some "Old Timers" -- they are often still thinking about "Character based terminals and emails like the universally hated IBM PROFS system, are often clueless about Virtual Machines, and still recommending 1990's type of security and backup solutions/ However there are some youngsters too who are just as bad while theres a huge number of both young and old who are perfectly competant -- as these forums clearly show.

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I have 0.8Mbs upload and I find cloud storage rather a pain with that. My "massive" 3.5 Mbs down is better but all in all it's not worth it except for v. small files.
That's fine for those with slow internet but these days a lot (and increasing number) are getting Internet speeds of up to 1 Tbs and even higher so a different scenario. It's like saying an Electric saw is worse than a hand one if you don't have any electrical power.

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Ouch! That's indeed painful! I'm fortunate to have 700Mbps down and 24Mbps up, making OneDrive a joy to use.
 

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I have 0.8Mbs upload and I find cloud storage rather a pain with that. My "massive" 3.5 Mbs down is better but all in all it's not worth it except for v. small files.
Surprised at that - I visit France a lot (have a place in Hendaye near Spanish border not far from San Sebastian) and Internet seems decent there and reasonably priced too.

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Surprised at that - I visit France a lot (have a place in Hendaye near Spanish border not far from San Sebastian) and Internet seems decent there and reasonably priced too.

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Not here, we're out in the sticks and there's fibre to the nearest exchange - about 3.5 kilometres- and despite promises there's no sign of it getting to the village although another village 2 kilometres away has fibre and 800 Mbs download. My 3.5 costs €25 a month.
 

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another suggestion -- might be cheaper if you've got a 5G phone and a decent tariff -- then set yourself up an access point. 5G can be lightning fast too. (Even 4G would be a lot better than that 3.5 download !!!! )-- how on earth can you watch Netflix etc with that type of connection. !!!!

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Hi there
another suggestion -- might be cheaper if you've got a 5G phone and a decent tariff -- then set yourself up an access point. 5G can be lightning fast too. (Even 4G would be a lot better than that 3.5 download !!!! )-- how on earth can you watch Netflix etc with that type of connection. !!!!

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Mostly 3G and we're on the edge of a dead zone so there's often no signal in the house (stone walls) there's certainly no 5G here it's proper rural living. I can get prime movies with (usually) no buffering problems and YouTube works fine. Obviously not talking 4K here often not HD - that's for really good days!!! :-D
 

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