Cumulative Update Issues in Windows 10 & 11


slcidea

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This is a follow up on my post where I along with many users had been experiencing update issues starting in August ' 2022. My update issues started with KB5016629 and I thought it was only a Windows 11 issue but after some experimentation I've come to the conclusion that it's not and it also affects Windows 10 machines. MS has apparently done something around August to their updates and it's affecting various machines and may be related to certain hardware configurations. When I first built my machine, I was running Windows 10 and I made multiple backups after major updates. So I decided to do an experiment and tried doing an update on a backup version of Windows 10 restored on a new empty drive. Interestingly that too failed on restart after 30% and the spinning wheel forever. Since I had upgraded all the oem drivers on the machine the only conclusion that I can come up with is that there are one or more Microsoft drivers that are not fully compatible with newer updates and failing migration during updates. I'd like to hear if anyone else has run into this issue and their thoughts. A version of Windows 10 which was able to convert to Win 11 without any issues back in March is not upgrading anymore or even successfully applying newer Windows 10 Cum Updates. Why? The only resolution to these update problems has been a complete clean install.
 
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I assume you have tried resetting Windows Update? I think the following Windows 10 solution should work on Windows 11. If not sure then try to find a solution for Windows 11.

 

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@slcidea

Two things that have become apparent. Updating the BIOS and the chipset drivers has become "more" necessary than it used to be, and we've all had to do In-Place upgrades (repairs), more than we did in the past.




Probably the easiest way (other than waiting on Windows Updates), to upgrade Windows 11, is this.
Use Option #2 (this link), to get the latest ISO image, save it to your desktop.




Then use that ISO image to do an In-Place Upgrade to the latest version of Windows 11.




Here is the short version of the In-Place Upgrade tutorial...

DISABLE non-Microsoft:
a) antivirus software
b) firewall software
c) drive encryption software

Make a full OS backup with a program like Macrium Reflect (free)
Macrium Software | Macrium Reflect Free


Right click the ISO image and choose: MOUNT
Open File Explorer and you will see a new drive letter. It will "look" like a DVD optical drive.
Double click the new drive letter to open it.
Find setup.exe and double click it to start the in-place upgrade.
Choose the Keep personal files and apps option.

After it's all done... to UNmount the ISO image, right click the new drive letter and choose: EJECT.
The ONLY thing you will lose is some of your personalizations. Your programs and data will be intact.


After you've upgraded, run Windows Updates to get the latest version.
When that's done, make a fresh backup.

 

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    AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ (OC'd @ 3.2Ghz)
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    ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wireless Edition
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    TWIN2X2048-6400C4DHX (2 x 1GB, DDR2 800)
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    EVGA 256-P2-N758-TR GeForce 8600GT SSC
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    Onboard
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    ViewSonic G90FB Black 19" Professional (CRT)
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    up to 2048 x 1536
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    WD 36GB 10,000rpm Raptor SATA
    Seagate 80GB 7200rpm SATA
    Lite-On LTR-52246S CD/RW
    Lite-On LH-18A1P CD/DVD Burner
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    PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad EPS12V
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    Generic Beige case, 80mm fans
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    ZALMAN 9500A 92mm CPU Cooler
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    Logitech Optical M-BT96a
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    Logitech Classic Keybooard 200
    Internet Speed
    300/300
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    Firefox 3.x ??
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    Symantec (Norton)
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    Still assembled, still runs. Haven't turned it on for 13 years?
I assume you have tried resetting Windows Update?

I had done all that and more to no avail. The fact that one cum update works and others don't could only mean driver compatibility. In fact, the error message Windows 10 Failed to install 0xC1900101 0x30017 alludes to driver problem after you undo the upgrade.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11
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    PC/Desktop
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    Custom
    CPU
    I5-9600
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte
    Memory
    16 Gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    nvidia
@slcidea

Two things that have become apparent. Updating the BIOS and the chipset drivers has become "more" necessary than it used to be and we've all had to do In-Place upgrades more than we did in the past.




Probably the easiest way (other than waiting on Windows Updates), to upgrade Windows 11, is this.
Use Option #2 (this link), to get the latest ISO image, save it to your desktop.




Then use that ISO image to do an In-Place Upgrade to the latest version of Windows 11.




Here is the short version of the In-Place Upgrade tutorial...

DISABLE non-Microsoft:
a) antivirus software
b) firewall software
c) drive encryption software

Make a full OS backup with a program like Macrium Reflect (free)
Macrium Software | Macrium Reflect Free


Right click the ISO image and choose: MOUNT
Open File Explorer and you will see a new drive letter. It will "look" like a DVD optical drive.
Double click the new drive letter to open it.
Find setup.exe and double click it to start the in-place upgrade.
Choose the Keep personal files and apps option.

After it's all done... to UNmount the ISO image, right click the new drive letter and choose: EJECT.
The ONLY thing you will lose is some of your personalizations. Your programs and data will be intact.


After you've upgraded, run Windows Updates to get the latest version.
When that's done, make a fresh backup.

I agree with you. It's likely older versions of Microsoft drivers that could be the culprit to these host of problems. Quite often we assume it's OEM drivers and never suspect Microsoft drivers when troubleshooting.
 

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    CPU
    I5-9600
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte
    Memory
    16 Gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    nvidia
I agree with you. It's likely older versions of Microsoft drivers that could be the culprit to these host of problems. Quite often we assume it's OEM drivers and never suspect Microsoft drivers when troubleshooting.


I should have added.... we mostly block driver updates from Microsoft, now.

Newer method...





Code:
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

; Created by: Shawn Brink
; Created on: October 24, 2021
; Tutorial: https://www.elevenforum.com/t/enable-or-disable-include-drivers-with-windows-updates-in-windows-11.2232/


[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate]
"ExcludeWUDriversInQualityUpdate"=dword:00000001


I always use the registry option, and haven't had any issues.
 

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    TWIN2X2048-6400C4DHX (2 x 1GB, DDR2 800)
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    ViewSonic G90FB Black 19" Professional (CRT)
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    up to 2048 x 1536
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    WD 36GB 10,000rpm Raptor SATA
    Seagate 80GB 7200rpm SATA
    Lite-On LTR-52246S CD/RW
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    PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad EPS12V
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    Generic Beige case, 80mm fans
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    ZALMAN 9500A 92mm CPU Cooler
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    Logitech Optical M-BT96a
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    Logitech Classic Keybooard 200
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    300/300
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    Firefox 3.x ??
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    Still assembled, still runs. Haven't turned it on for 13 years?
I should have added.... we mostly block driver updates from Microsoft, now.




I always use the registry option, and haven't had any issues.
Thanks. When you do a complete clean install, all the drivers including chipset drivers are automatically installed by the Windows installer and there is no migration from what I understand. When you do in place upgrades there is migration involved and if some older drivers act abnormally because of new security feature requirements, it could fail the migration and subsequently the upgrade. That's what I am assuming is happening with these ongoing update failures. The problem in my case is that I have the latest F10 Bios from Gigabyte for my Z390 UD1 Rev 1.1 and who knows if there are issues with that and Windows 11 updates. Scratching my head...
 

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    I5-9600
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    Gigabyte
    Memory
    16 Gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    nvidia
Thanks. When you do a complete clean install, all the drivers including chipset drivers are automatically installed by the Windows installer and there is no migration from what I understand. When you do in place upgrades there is migration involved and if some older drivers act abnormally because of new security feature requirements, it could fail the migration and subsequently the upgrade. That's what I am assuming is happening with these ongoing update failures. The problem in my case is that I have the latest F10 Bios from Gigabyte for my Z390 UD1 Rev 1.1 and who knows if there are issues with that and Windows 11 updates. Scratching my head...


I'm old school. When ever I install Windows on a custom built machine, I always block driver updates, then use the drivers from the motherboard manufacturer, and the vid card driver from Nvidia, AMD or Intel.

Then I make a fresh backup.

From then on, I get the chipset drivers from AMD or Intel, and the vid card drivers from the vid card manufacturer.

And lately, I like to have a fresh backup, "before" I update Windows. :cool:




I'm OCD. I keep the used space on my Windows partition less than 40GB.
So my backups and restores are fast. 2:30 for a backup, and 2:05 for a restore (minutes).
Since Windows 10... I don't take chances any more.

These are all full OS backups...
Image1.png





/edit

Brb, I'm gonna reboot... hopefully. Just did Security Update KB5012170 (just popped up today).

Well... nothing blew up. :cool:
 
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    AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
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    Logitech Optical M-100
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    Firefox (latest)
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    Bitdefender Internet Security
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    AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ (OC'd @ 3.2Ghz)
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    ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wireless Edition
    Memory
    TWIN2X2048-6400C4DHX (2 x 1GB, DDR2 800)
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    EVGA 256-P2-N758-TR GeForce 8600GT SSC
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ViewSonic G90FB Black 19" Professional (CRT)
    Screen Resolution
    up to 2048 x 1536
    Hard Drives
    WD 36GB 10,000rpm Raptor SATA
    Seagate 80GB 7200rpm SATA
    Lite-On LTR-52246S CD/RW
    Lite-On LH-18A1P CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad EPS12V
    Case
    Generic Beige case, 80mm fans
    Cooling
    ZALMAN 9500A 92mm CPU Cooler
    Mouse
    Logitech Optical M-BT96a
    Keyboard
    Logitech Classic Keybooard 200
    Internet Speed
    300/300
    Browser
    Firefox 3.x ??
    Antivirus
    Symantec (Norton)
    Other Info
    Still assembled, still runs. Haven't turned it on for 13 years?
I'm old school. When ever I install Windows on a custom built machine, I always block driver updates, then use the drivers from the motherboard manufacturer, and the vid card driver from Nvidia, AMD or Intel.

Then I make a fresh backup.

From then on, I get the chipset drivers from AMD or Intel, and the vid card drivers from the vid card manufacturer.

And lately, I like to have a fresh backup, "before" I update Windows. :cool:




I'm OCD. I keep the used space on my Windows partition less than 40GB.
So my backups and restores are fast. 2:30 for a backup, and 2:05 for a restore (minutes).
Since Windows 10... I don't take chances any more.

These are all full OS backups...
View attachment 47030





/edit

Brb, I'm gonna reboot... hopefully. Just did Security Update KB5012170 (just popped up today).

Well... nothing blew up. :cool:
I completely agree with your philosophy and like you I make backups right before I do any major updates and run Synctoy every morning to backup any personal data. I am still perplexed why a backup copy of Windows 10 (21H2 Build 19044.1526) which was the baseline for my conversion to Win 11 in March 2022 would now all of a sudden not do the same upgrade to Win 11 or even do the new cum updates for Win 10. Same hardware and no new peripherals added. I even stripped down the machine to barebone with just a plain vanilla wired Mouse/Kbd and the updates fail upon restart. If it's an anomaly related to my MB BIOS then I would expect others to report on this issue. If I do an in-place upgrade and only save personal files then the upgrade goes in fine which implies that Windows is reinstalling all new default drivers from Microsoft. That's the only thing that I can think of is the cause of my problem and Microsoft hasn't ironed out all the bugs from not only Win 11 22H2 but also subsequent cum updates that they started coming out with since Aug 2022. Playing Sherlock Holmes with Microsoft OS is quite fascinating for those of us who want to know the real cause and not just try hit or miss solutions.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11
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    I5-9600
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte
    Memory
    16 Gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    nvidia
I completely agree with your philosophy and like you I make backups right before I do any major updates and run Synctoy every morning to backup any personal data. I am still perplexed why a backup copy of Windows 10 (21H2 Build 19044.1526) which was the baseline for my conversion to Win 11 in March 2022 would now all of a sudden not do the same upgrade to Win 11 or even do the new cum updates for Win 10. Same hardware and no new peripherals added. I even stripped down the machine to barebone with just a plain vanilla wired Mouse/Kbd and the updates fail upon restart. If it's an anomaly related to my MB BIOS then I would expect others to report on this issue. If I do an in-place upgrade and only save personal files then the upgrade goes in fine which implies that Windows is reinstalling all new default drivers from Microsoft. That's the only thing that I can think of is the cause of my problem and Microsoft hasn't ironed out all the bugs from not only Win 11 22H2 but also subsequent cum updates that they started coming out with since Aug 2022. Playing Sherlock Holmes with Microsoft OS is quite fascinating for those of us who want to know the real cause and not just try hit or miss solutions.



Microsoft is making tons of changes to Windows 11, all the time. And the ISOs we use to do the "upgrades" are getting "newer" all the time. I think there comes a time when version we are trying to upgrade and the ISO we are using, get too far apart.

This is why I try to...

1. Keep chipset and BIOS relatively up to date.
2. Avoid MS drivers.
3. And I don't mess with backups older than say... 2 months.

There's always the clean install option of course.

Remember, Win 11 is still a fairly new OS.
 

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    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
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    Asus Pro WS X570-ACE (BIOS 4702)
    Memory
    G.Skill (F4-3200C14D-16GTZKW)
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA RTX 2070 (08G-P4-2171-KR)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC1220P / ALC S1220A
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell U3011 30"
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1600
    Hard Drives
    2x Samsung 860 EVO 500GB,
    WD 4TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
    WD 8TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
    DRW-24B1ST CD/DVD Burner
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    PC Power & Cooling 750W Quad EPS12V
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    Cooler Master ATCS 840 Tower
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    CM Hyper 212 EVO (push/pull)
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    Ducky DK9008 Shine II Blue LED
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    Logitech Optical M-100
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    Firefox (latest)
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    Bitdefender Internet Security
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    Built by Ghot® (not in use)
    CPU
    AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ (OC'd @ 3.2Ghz)
    Motherboard
    ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wireless Edition
    Memory
    TWIN2X2048-6400C4DHX (2 x 1GB, DDR2 800)
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA 256-P2-N758-TR GeForce 8600GT SSC
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ViewSonic G90FB Black 19" Professional (CRT)
    Screen Resolution
    up to 2048 x 1536
    Hard Drives
    WD 36GB 10,000rpm Raptor SATA
    Seagate 80GB 7200rpm SATA
    Lite-On LTR-52246S CD/RW
    Lite-On LH-18A1P CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad EPS12V
    Case
    Generic Beige case, 80mm fans
    Cooling
    ZALMAN 9500A 92mm CPU Cooler
    Mouse
    Logitech Optical M-BT96a
    Keyboard
    Logitech Classic Keybooard 200
    Internet Speed
    300/300
    Browser
    Firefox 3.x ??
    Antivirus
    Symantec (Norton)
    Other Info
    Still assembled, still runs. Haven't turned it on for 13 years?
So far, I've not had any update problems. I do nothing special other than update when available.
 

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    11th Gen i9 -11900H
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    32 GB 3200 MHz DDR4
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    NVIDIA® GeForce® RTX 3050Ti
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    15.6" OLED Infinity Edge Touch
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    16:10 Aspect Ratio (3456 x 2160)
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    1 Terabyte M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD
    2 Thunderbolt™ 4 (USB Type-C™)
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    900 Mbps Netgear Orbi + 2 Satellites
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    Microsoft Edge (Chromium) + Bing
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    Microsoft Windows Security (Defender)
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    LastPass Password Manager
    Amazon Kindle
    Interactive Brokers Trader Workstation
    Lightroom/Photoshop subscription
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    Tablet
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    Microsoft Surface Pro 7
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    i5
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    8 GB
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    256GB SSD
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    900 Mbps Netgear Orbi + 2 Satellites
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    Microsoft Edge (Chromium) + Bing
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    Microsoft Windows Security (Defender)
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Microsoft is making tons of changes to Windows 11, all the time. And the ISOs we use to do the "upgrades" are getting "newer" all the time. I think there comes a time when version we are trying to upgrade and the ISO we are using, get too far apart.

This is why I try to...

1. Keep chipset and BIOS relatively up to date.
2. Avoid MS drivers.
3. And I don't mess with backups older than say... 2 months.

There's always the clean install option of course.

Remember, Win 11 is still a fairly new OS.
Check this out Windows 10/11: Strange issues since August 2022 updates This is the exact same issue I've been having on my machine since August 2022.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    I5-9600
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte
    Memory
    16 Gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    nvidia
Check this out Windows 10/11: Strange issues since August 2022 updates This is the exact same issue I've been having on my machine since August 2022.


Once... in October or maybe early November, "one" of the updates cause an extra long 0-30% and an extra long 30-100%, but it did go through. Other people saw this behavior as well.

The only things I've "tweaked" on this computer are...

1. Removed all the Apps with REVO uninstaller, and I removed WMP.
2. I use Winaero Tweaker, Vive Tool (which sort of works), and the tutorials.
3. I also use TranslucentTB and RoundedTB to make the Taskbar... clear.
4. I did an In-Place upgrade from 21H2 to 22H2.
5. I use 3rd party AV/firewall (Bitdefender), but I'm not sure this makes a difference.

I most always do the updates and feature upgrades when they come out.


I would look to things you may be doing... differently.


This is what my Win 11 looks like...

000000 Win 11 - START and Context Menus.jpg 00000 Hard Drives - Win 11.png



I don't know what else it could be. ^^
 

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    Win 11 Home ♦♦♦22631.3374 ♦♦♦♦♦♦♦23H2
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    PC/Desktop
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    Built by Ghot® [May 2020]
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
    Motherboard
    Asus Pro WS X570-ACE (BIOS 4702)
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    G.Skill (F4-3200C14D-16GTZKW)
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    EVGA RTX 2070 (08G-P4-2171-KR)
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    Dell U3011 30"
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    2560 x 1600
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    2x Samsung 860 EVO 500GB,
    WD 4TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
    WD 8TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
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    PC Power & Cooling 750W Quad EPS12V
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    Cooler Master ATCS 840 Tower
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    CM Hyper 212 EVO (push/pull)
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    Ducky DK9008 Shine II Blue LED
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    Logitech Optical M-100
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    300/300
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    AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ (OC'd @ 3.2Ghz)
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    ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wireless Edition
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    TWIN2X2048-6400C4DHX (2 x 1GB, DDR2 800)
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA 256-P2-N758-TR GeForce 8600GT SSC
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    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ViewSonic G90FB Black 19" Professional (CRT)
    Screen Resolution
    up to 2048 x 1536
    Hard Drives
    WD 36GB 10,000rpm Raptor SATA
    Seagate 80GB 7200rpm SATA
    Lite-On LTR-52246S CD/RW
    Lite-On LH-18A1P CD/DVD Burner
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    PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad EPS12V
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    Generic Beige case, 80mm fans
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    ZALMAN 9500A 92mm CPU Cooler
    Mouse
    Logitech Optical M-BT96a
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    Logitech Classic Keybooard 200
    Internet Speed
    300/300
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    Firefox 3.x ??
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    Symantec (Norton)
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    Still assembled, still runs. Haven't turned it on for 13 years?
Once... in October or maybe early November, "one" of the updates cause an extra long 0-30% and an extra long 30-100%, but it did go through. Other people saw this behavior as well.

The only things I've "tweaked" on this computer are...

1. Removed all the Apps with REVO uninstaller, and I removed WMP.
2. I use Winaero Tweaker, Vive Tool (which sort of works), and the tutorials.
3. I also use TranslucentTB and RoundedTB to make the Taskbar... clear.
4. I did an In-Place upgrade from 21H2 to 22H2.
5. I use 3rd party AV/firewall (Bitdefender), but I'm not sure this makes a difference.

I most always do the updates and feature upgrades when they come out.


I would look to things you may be doing... differently.


This is what my Win 11 looks like...

View attachment 47254 View attachment 47255



I don't know what else it could be. ^^
It's interesting that you point out that you and some other users experienced "extra long 30-100%" with updates. When the problem first occurred in August on my 21H2 Build for me, it was from KB5016629 that was pushed and like all previous updates I assumed it would complete normally before I went to bed. The following morning, I noticed the spinning circle and said that's odd since it was several hours. That's when I decided to go back to one of the previous updates KB5015882 which was released in late July. That update went in fine on the same machine with no hardware or any other changes. To investigate the cause, I downloaded some driver utilities from freeware utilities: password recovery, system utilities, desktop utilities - For Windows and started to compare installed driver versions between a freshly installed 22H2 and a 21H2 build that doesn't want to upgrade to troubleshoot. Removed all peripherals and their associated drivers from the machine and also some applications, but the update fails to complete after restart after 30% is completed. It definitely appears to be a driver issue since the error code that's generated when you do a failed in-place upgrade is "0xC1900101 - 0x20017 Installation failed during safe OS phase with an error during boot operation". My suspicion is that we are looking at OEM drivers as the culprit when the real fault could possibly be one of Microsoft's own drivers. Wonder if they've added some new strict security requirement to previously approved drivers that we are not aware of. We are now into December and we still don't have a good solution with little to no acknowledgement from MS that this is a plaguing issue that we are working on. All you see is some random posts by users on various forums alluding to it. Doing a complete clean install shouldn't be the only option to fix this problem. Also, I wonder what an acceptable "extra long" period is. Any idea from your experience? Thanks for all your suggestions, since this is also a learning experience and I appreciate all your insights.
 
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    16 Gb
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    nvidia
@slcidea
If you built this computer yourself, and it doesn't have a hardware problem, and an In-Place upgrade didn't fix things.
Then it's pretty much clean install time.

If you haven't already... make a fresh backup.
Then just do a clean install and let Windows pick the drivers.
Then try to update. If it still doesn't work, then see below.



Download the motherboard drivers from the manufacturer's website.
Get the vid card driver from Nvidia as well.
Also get the latest chipset drivers from Intel, and save them on another drive... so you will have them to install without going online. Use the Intel Driver & Support Assistant, found here...


Then save whatever things you want to another drive... unhook the internet and do a clean install.
Then, install all the drivers you downloaded from before.

Then do this...


Then do Windows updates, then make a fresh backup.







If you'd rather troubleshoot this, we can see what @zbook has to say.
 

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    Win 11 Home ♦♦♦22631.3374 ♦♦♦♦♦♦♦23H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Built by Ghot® [May 2020]
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
    Motherboard
    Asus Pro WS X570-ACE (BIOS 4702)
    Memory
    G.Skill (F4-3200C14D-16GTZKW)
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA RTX 2070 (08G-P4-2171-KR)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC1220P / ALC S1220A
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    Dell U3011 30"
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1600
    Hard Drives
    2x Samsung 860 EVO 500GB,
    WD 4TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
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    DRW-24B1ST CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling 750W Quad EPS12V
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    Cooler Master ATCS 840 Tower
    Cooling
    CM Hyper 212 EVO (push/pull)
    Keyboard
    Ducky DK9008 Shine II Blue LED
    Mouse
    Logitech Optical M-100
    Internet Speed
    300/300
    Browser
    Firefox (latest)
    Antivirus
    Bitdefender Internet Security
    Other Info
    Speakers: Klipsch Pro Media 2.1
  • Operating System
    Windows XP Pro 32bit w/SP3
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    Built by Ghot® (not in use)
    CPU
    AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ (OC'd @ 3.2Ghz)
    Motherboard
    ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wireless Edition
    Memory
    TWIN2X2048-6400C4DHX (2 x 1GB, DDR2 800)
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA 256-P2-N758-TR GeForce 8600GT SSC
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ViewSonic G90FB Black 19" Professional (CRT)
    Screen Resolution
    up to 2048 x 1536
    Hard Drives
    WD 36GB 10,000rpm Raptor SATA
    Seagate 80GB 7200rpm SATA
    Lite-On LTR-52246S CD/RW
    Lite-On LH-18A1P CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad EPS12V
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    Generic Beige case, 80mm fans
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    ZALMAN 9500A 92mm CPU Cooler
    Mouse
    Logitech Optical M-BT96a
    Keyboard
    Logitech Classic Keybooard 200
    Internet Speed
    300/300
    Browser
    Firefox 3.x ??
    Antivirus
    Symantec (Norton)
    Other Info
    Still assembled, still runs. Haven't turned it on for 13 years?
@slcidea
If you built this computer yourself, and it doesn't have a hardware problem, and an In-Place upgrade didn't fix things.
Then it's pretty much clean install time.

If you haven't already... make a fresh backup.
Then just do a clean install and let Windows pick the drivers.
Then try to update. If it still doesn't work, then see below.



Download the motherboard drivers from the manufacturer's website.
Get the vid card driver from Nvidia as well.
Also get the latest chipset drivers from Intel, and save them on another drive... so you will have them to install without going online. Use the Intel Driver & Support Assistant, found here...


Then save whatever things you want to another drive... unhook the internet and do a clean install.
Then, install all the drivers you downloaded from before.

Then do this...


Then do Windows updates, then make a fresh backup.







If you'd rather troubleshoot this, we can see what @zbook has to say.
Thanks, I already did a clean install and have a working 22H2 version with most of my apps reinstalled. I am simply trying to troubleshoot my old 21H2 image with the issue on this machine to see if I can pinpoint the cause since it seems to be affecting others as well. It could be just a waiting game with MS to iron out all their bugs with updates in certain machines.
 

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    I5-9600
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte
    Memory
    16 Gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    nvidia
Thanks, I already did a clean install and have a working 22H2 version with most of my apps reinstalled. I am simply trying to troubleshoot my old 21H2 image with the issue on this machine to see if I can pinpoint the cause since it seems to be affecting others as well. It could be just a waiting game with MS to iron out all their bugs with updates in certain machines.


Wait for @zbook then. :-)
 

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    Win 11 Home ♦♦♦22631.3374 ♦♦♦♦♦♦♦23H2
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Built by Ghot® [May 2020]
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
    Motherboard
    Asus Pro WS X570-ACE (BIOS 4702)
    Memory
    G.Skill (F4-3200C14D-16GTZKW)
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA RTX 2070 (08G-P4-2171-KR)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC1220P / ALC S1220A
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell U3011 30"
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1600
    Hard Drives
    2x Samsung 860 EVO 500GB,
    WD 4TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
    WD 8TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
    DRW-24B1ST CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling 750W Quad EPS12V
    Case
    Cooler Master ATCS 840 Tower
    Cooling
    CM Hyper 212 EVO (push/pull)
    Keyboard
    Ducky DK9008 Shine II Blue LED
    Mouse
    Logitech Optical M-100
    Internet Speed
    300/300
    Browser
    Firefox (latest)
    Antivirus
    Bitdefender Internet Security
    Other Info
    Speakers: Klipsch Pro Media 2.1
  • Operating System
    Windows XP Pro 32bit w/SP3
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    PC/Desktop
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    Built by Ghot® (not in use)
    CPU
    AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ (OC'd @ 3.2Ghz)
    Motherboard
    ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wireless Edition
    Memory
    TWIN2X2048-6400C4DHX (2 x 1GB, DDR2 800)
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA 256-P2-N758-TR GeForce 8600GT SSC
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ViewSonic G90FB Black 19" Professional (CRT)
    Screen Resolution
    up to 2048 x 1536
    Hard Drives
    WD 36GB 10,000rpm Raptor SATA
    Seagate 80GB 7200rpm SATA
    Lite-On LTR-52246S CD/RW
    Lite-On LH-18A1P CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad EPS12V
    Case
    Generic Beige case, 80mm fans
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    ZALMAN 9500A 92mm CPU Cooler
    Mouse
    Logitech Optical M-BT96a
    Keyboard
    Logitech Classic Keybooard 200
    Internet Speed
    300/300
    Browser
    Firefox 3.x ??
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    Symantec (Norton)
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    Still assembled, still runs. Haven't turned it on for 13 years?
Wait for @zbook then. :-)
Awesome! You find bits and pieces of this plaguing issue on the NET starting in August 2022 for so many people with different machines, but nothing definitive about the actual cause as to why it affects some machines and not others. We all take these frequent updates for granted since they are forcibly installed on your machine and then when it breaks your machine MS offers little support. Doing a clean install is not a workable solution for everyone since it takes hours to reinstall every possible app that you had.
 

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    I5-9600
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    Gigabyte
    Memory
    16 Gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    nvidia
Awesome! You find bits and pieces of this plaguing issue on the NET starting in August 2022 for so many people with different machines, but nothing definitive about the actual cause as to why it affects some machines and not others. We all take these frequent updates for granted since they are forcibly installed on your machine and then when it breaks your machine MS offers little support. Doing a clean install is not a workable solution for everyone since it takes hours to reinstall every possible app that you had.


If it's "just" a Windows problem, then In-Place Upgrade.
If it's a driver or 3rd party program problem... clean install.

If clean install is not acceptable... the ZBOOK.
 

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    Win 11 Home ♦♦♦22631.3374 ♦♦♦♦♦♦♦23H2
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Built by Ghot® [May 2020]
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
    Motherboard
    Asus Pro WS X570-ACE (BIOS 4702)
    Memory
    G.Skill (F4-3200C14D-16GTZKW)
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA RTX 2070 (08G-P4-2171-KR)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC1220P / ALC S1220A
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell U3011 30"
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1600
    Hard Drives
    2x Samsung 860 EVO 500GB,
    WD 4TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
    WD 8TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
    DRW-24B1ST CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling 750W Quad EPS12V
    Case
    Cooler Master ATCS 840 Tower
    Cooling
    CM Hyper 212 EVO (push/pull)
    Keyboard
    Ducky DK9008 Shine II Blue LED
    Mouse
    Logitech Optical M-100
    Internet Speed
    300/300
    Browser
    Firefox (latest)
    Antivirus
    Bitdefender Internet Security
    Other Info
    Speakers: Klipsch Pro Media 2.1
  • Operating System
    Windows XP Pro 32bit w/SP3
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    Built by Ghot® (not in use)
    CPU
    AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ (OC'd @ 3.2Ghz)
    Motherboard
    ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wireless Edition
    Memory
    TWIN2X2048-6400C4DHX (2 x 1GB, DDR2 800)
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA 256-P2-N758-TR GeForce 8600GT SSC
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ViewSonic G90FB Black 19" Professional (CRT)
    Screen Resolution
    up to 2048 x 1536
    Hard Drives
    WD 36GB 10,000rpm Raptor SATA
    Seagate 80GB 7200rpm SATA
    Lite-On LTR-52246S CD/RW
    Lite-On LH-18A1P CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad EPS12V
    Case
    Generic Beige case, 80mm fans
    Cooling
    ZALMAN 9500A 92mm CPU Cooler
    Mouse
    Logitech Optical M-BT96a
    Keyboard
    Logitech Classic Keybooard 200
    Internet Speed
    300/300
    Browser
    Firefox 3.x ??
    Antivirus
    Symantec (Norton)
    Other Info
    Still assembled, still runs. Haven't turned it on for 13 years?
If it's "just" a Windows problem, then In-Place Upgrade.
If it's a driver or 3rd party program problem... clean install.

If clean install is not acceptable... the ZBOOK.
Sounds more like a driver problem since the problem persisted even after all the apps were uninstalled and I tried to do an in-place upgrade. Only way that the in-place upgrade worked was when I only kept personal files and let windows wipe out all installed apps. Could be something in the registry associated with an old driver that's screwing things up and when Windows wipes out all the installed apps during in-place upgrade it may clean up the registry in the process. Interesting problem for so many out there that no one has been able to pinpoint the cause. At first I thought it was Malware Bytes but uninstalling that didn't make any difference and unplugging everything except a PS2 mouse and keyboard also didn't make any difference. I was hoping others on this forum would have run into this exact issue starting in August and would share what they found.
 

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    nvidia

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