Data transfer stops because laptop goes in to lazy-mode

GeneralLee01 · Dec 2, 2022

MisterEd said:
To temporarily keep my computer from sleeping I use a program called Insomnia. I start it to prevent sleep and exit it to return my computer to normal.

Insomnia

Insomnia

A simple utility to stop your computer from going to sleep.

dlaa.me

Thanks Ed. Will check it out.

Try3 · Dec 2, 2022

GeneralLee,

Your computer is entering S0 Modern standby as soon as Power options turns the display off.
There are, in effect, four Power/Computer states for an S0 Modern standby [aka S0 Low power idle] computer

1 Computer on, Monitor on {Work can be done on the computer}

2 Computer on, Monitor off = S0 {The monitor turning off initiates S0 Modern standby i.e. idle}. S0 progressively shuts down user-initiated processes. No user-desired activities start, only MS-desired ones such as WU & their built-in email app.

3 Hibernate

4 Off

- You can read up on S0 Modern standby if you want to. It is an attempt to emulate smartphone behaviour by shutting off all non-essential activity once the screen is off.
- S0 progressively inhibits all user-initiated activity yet maintains MS-desired activity such as its built-in email utility & Windows update.
I think your immediate action needs to be to alter your Power options.
There is nothing simpler than doing this.

You can consider further actions later, for example:

- Set Power options to keep the screen on always but add in a black screensaver at NNN minutes so you don't have the screen staring at you all day.

- Keeping the display going off at NNN minutes but optionally sometimes running a utility that keeps the display on when you are doing certain jobs [my own utility for this is a batch file, it comes in handy sometimes even without the curse of S0 being involved].

- Disabling S0 and hoping that doing so automatically enables S3 Sleep in its place.

I went through several different stages in my approach to S0:-

- I adapted to S0 by using hibernation when I had been used to using S3 Sleep.

- When I got even more fed up with S0, I set my monitor to always stay on [it's the monitor turning off, as set in Power options, that starts S0] and I set a very dark screensaver to come on after a desired time so the screen wouldn't be staring at me all day.

- Eventually, I just used the tutorial to disable S0.

Disable Modern Standby in Windows 10 and Windows 11 - ElevenForumTutorials

- - In my case, S3 Sleep remained disabled so I carried on having to use hibernation as a second-best choice.

- - In my case, Task scheduler would not wake the computer from hibernation but others have reported that theirs worked OK.

- - In my case, my WiFi adapter often fails to restart properly [no networks detected] when it comes out of hibernation so I run a little script to disable it then re-enable it after which it works again.

See also Enable or Disable Modern Standby Network Connectivity - ElevenForumTutorials

All the best,
Denis

Try3 · Dec 2, 2022

GeneralLee,

Try3 said:
- You can read up on S0 Modern standby if you want to.

You can study these until your brain melts but I don't recommend it:-

Device-specific power management for modern standby - MSDocs

Prepare software for modern standby - MSDocs

Prepare hardware for modern standby - MSDocs

Modern Standby wake sources - MSDocs

What is Modern Standby - MSDocs

Modern Standby - MSDocs

Modern Standby FAQs - MSDocs

Automatic Maintenance (Task Scheduler) - MSDocs

Activators - MSDocs

Email While You Sleep - How to Use Windows 10s Modern Standby - LaptopMag

Modern standby - Key concepts overview - MSDocs

Modern standby SleepStudy - MSDocs

Modern Standby states - MSDocs

Modern Standby vs S3 - MSDocs

Modern standby - Simple app and tile updates only - MSDocs

System Power States - MSDocs

Much of it only has meaning for specialists. I've even seen posts by developers complaining that MS do not provide them with the information necessary to allow them to write applications that work with S0; the information must exist because MS must have given it to their WU & email app developers.

I have studied all of them but I have found nothing short of disabling S0 that would allow me to use the computer as I wished.

Denis

Haydon · Dec 2, 2022

Try3 said:
You can study these until your brain melts

Setting the PC to 'never sleep' is the simplest and best solution, anything else is worse.

Try3 · Dec 2, 2022

Haydon said:
Setting the PC to 'never sleep' is the simplest and best solution, anything else is worse.

You do not seem to know what S0 is.
The display turning off triggers S0.

Denis

Berton · Dec 2, 2022

An update on my post #3 here, I've had Total Commander running since that post transferring 2TB from a single NAS drive to a 2TB NAS drive which is set at RAID 1 [2 drives in it]. It has not failed to continue working, down to 24GB left. TC has kept all the power settings at bay which File Explorer wouldn't and other use of the computer hasn't caused any issue.

Try3 · Dec 2, 2022

Berton said:
An update on my post #3 here, I've had Total Commander running since that post transferring 2TB from a single NAS drive to a 2TB NAS drive which is set at RAID 1 [2 drives in it]. It has not failed to continue working, down to 24GB left. TC has kept all the power settings at bay which File Explorer wouldn't and other use of the computer hasn't caused any issue.

The OP has S0 Modern standby.

Denis

Haydon · Dec 2, 2022

Try3 said:
You do not seem to know what S0 is.
The display turning off triggers S0.

Denis

What I meant with set your PC to 'never sleep' is ...

... to set up your ENTIRE MACHINE (including display) to 'never sleep'.

In other words, use your machine like it was in the olden days (before power settings even existed) where such mode of operation was the only mode of operation possible. The only downside I see is a bit more power consumption, but it makes life a whole lot simpler, not losing any data transfer time in particular.

GeneralLee01 · Dec 2, 2022

Haydon said:
Setting the PC to 'never sleep' is the simplest and best solution, anything else is worse.

Not for me. that is why I am here.

GeneralLee01 · Dec 2, 2022

Thanks for the tsunami of info Denis. Are you saying there is a powersetting that, when I leave the laptop unattended, keeps the laptop alive when I am uploading files and goes to lazy mode when I am not uploading files ?

GeneralLee01 · Dec 2, 2022

Haydon said:
What I meant with set your PC to 'never sleep' is ...

... to set up your ENTIRE MACHINE (including display) to 'never sleep'.

In other words, use your machine like it was in the olden days (before power settings even existed) where such mode of operation was the only mode of operation possible. The only downside I see is a bit more power consumption, but it makes life a whole lot simpler, not losing any data transfer time in particular.

Thanks Haydon. Why would I want to do that ?

GeneralLee01 · Dec 2, 2022

Try3 said:
You do not seem to know what S0 is.
The display turning off triggers S0.

Denis

Thats ok, just want the system alive when I leave the laptop unattended and am uploading files. When nothing is being uploaded I am fine it goes to lazy mode when I leave my laptop.

Haydon · Dec 2, 2022

GeneralLee01 said:
Thanks Haydon. Why would I want to do that ?

Because I like to work with my computers like I like to work with my machines in my mechanical workshop. I don't like it if a screwdriver hops in its toolbox to go to sleep

To each his own

Try3 · Dec 2, 2022

GeneralLee01 said:
Are you saying there is a powersetting that, when I leave the laptop unattended, keeps the laptop alive when I am uploading files

Yes. As a simple workaround, you can [as I said] set your display not to turn off.

GeneralLee01 said:
goes to lazy mode when I am not uploading files ?

No. It is not clever enough to know what you are doing. It's only a workaround so you can get your immediate tasks done.

When you have time, you can consider the better solutions I also described. S0 follows its own rules; S0 will not let you decide what you want for yourself [such as that 'set to never sleep' suggestion].
S0 is a curse.
I eventually chose to disable S0.

Best of luck,
Denis

Winuser · Dec 2, 2022

Try3 said:
You do not seem to know what S0 is.
The display turning off triggers S0.

Denis

I do, it's a pain in the arse! It almost caused my HP laptop to fry. I dread the day that I'll have to buy a device that I can't just turn off Modern Standby.

Try3 · Dec 2, 2022

Winuser said:
I do, it's a pain in the arse! It almost caused my HP laptop to fry. I dread the day that I'll have to buy a device that I can't just turn off Modern Standby.

I agree.
But that day arrived for me a long time ago.
I bought a tablet-with-integrated-keyboard [that looks like a very small laptop] and was unable to restore S3 Sleep by turning off S0.
I had never even heard of S0 before that.
I eventually turned off S0 but had to put up with still not having S3 Sleep.
S0 is an Intel initiative but MS & many hardware makers are so keen on it that it might well become progressively harder to find a non-S0 computer.

All the best,
Denis

Winuser · Dec 2, 2022

Try3 said:
I had never even heard of S0 before that.

I had heard of S0 but never gave it much thought. I was using my laptop one night and closed all the apps I was using, or at least I thought I did. I left the laptop plugged in and closed the lid. The next day my laptop was very hot and would not start. I unplugged it and let it set until it cooled down. Once it did and too my surprised it booted and has been working ever sense. I found out how and turned off S0. I did notice that the CPU's were running warmer then I felt comfortable about. I did a search for HP x360 running hot and found a reg setting that added an extra setting for the power settings and it brought the temps down. I can't find the link now and I don't think the setting is listed anymore. The laptop is still running good. I wish I could remember what the setting was.

KevTech · Dec 2, 2022

This or something similar will keep the PC awake.

Move Mouse - Official app in the Microsoft Store

A simple utility that can be used to simulate user activity. Maybe you work from home and want to keep your remote session alive whilst you're away from your machine? Maybe you have a long running process that you want your machine to stay awake for? Move Mouse can be deployed in whole host of...

apps.microsoft.com

Haydon · Dec 2, 2022

Winuser said:
I had heard of S0 but never gave it much thought. I was using my laptop one night and closed all the apps I was using, or at least I thought I did. I left the laptop plugged in and closed the lid. The next day my laptop was very hot and would not start. I unplugged it and let it set until it cooled down. Once it did and too my surprised it booted and has been working ever sense. I found out how and turned off S0. I did notice that the CPU's were running warmer then I felt comfortable about. I did a search for HP x360 running hot and found a reg setting that added an extra setting for the power settings and it brought the temps down. I can't find the link now and I don't think the setting is listed anymore. The laptop is still running good. I wish I could remember what the setting was.

My goodness, that screwdriver hopped in the barbeque