Hard Drive Oddity

kelper · Aug 13, 2023

Have you tried error checking the drive? I think the errors posted are trivial. I suspect you have the wrong driver. What does Device Manager show under Driver and Details?
You could uninstall the drive and its driver and then reboot. Windows should find the correct driver, or you could go to the manufacturer's website.

antspants · Aug 13, 2023

Brizzle said:
How unreliable are these DM drives?

I had 3 fail in as many weeks. Haven’t bought a Seagate since. Personally with the cost of drives these days, I’d back up and replace both.

hdmi · Aug 13, 2023

Ghot said:
That's NOT a WD Black.

WD Black HDDs suck so hard, they actually even got just a 3.9 star rating on their very own website.

Ghot said:
WD bought Hitachi Global Storage Technologies in 2012.

I already know that.

Ghot said:
I don't know if folks remember, but back in the day... the Hitachi Deskstar was known as the Death Star hard drive due to it's ridiculous failure rate.

Now, I'm definitely NOT BackBlaze with tens of thousands of drives to test... but I've never had a WD Black fail, and I've had about eight of them over the years.

Western Digital Blacks always have model numbers like... WD2003FZEX (2TB), or WD4005FZBX (4TB)

Western Digital Blacks, aren't cheap, but you get what you pay for I guess.
Also, I think the Blacks only go up to 8TB.
For larger WD drives you're supposed to use the REDs or the GOLDs, if I recall.

WD 300GB Velociraptor (10K rpm)
M/N: WD3000HLFS-01G6U0

WD 500GB Velociraptor (10K rpm)
M/N: WD5000HHTZ-04N21V0

These Blacks are all (7200rpm)
WD 1TB Caviar Black
M/N: WD1002FAEX-00Y9A0

WD 1TB Caviar Black
M/N: WD1002FAEX-00Y9A0

WD 1TB Caviar Black
M/N: WD1001FALS-00J7B1

WD 2TB Black
M/N: WD2003FZEX-00Z4SA0

WD 2TB Black
M/N: WD2003FZEX-00Z4SA0

WD 4TB Black
M/N: WD4005FZBX-00X5WB0

WD 8TB Black
M/N: WD8001FZBX-00ASYA0

The largest capacity WD Black HDD is the 10TB. https://www.westerndigital.com/products/internal-drives/wd-black-desktop-sata-hdd#WD101FZBX
At a whopping $250 for just 10TB it's even more outrageously expensive than the WDC WUH721414ALE6L4. Rememer what I said re still requiring to make backup copies regardless of which one has a few percent lower failure rate, and also remember that there is no factual proof whatsoever that the WD Black will last longer on average than that 14TB Seagate ST14000NM001G, the latter being just a measly $175. You know what they say about a fool and his/her money.

Ghot · Aug 13, 2023

hdmi said:
You know what they say about a fool and his/her money.

Yeah. ^^
They spend it on junky stuff.

hdmi · Aug 13, 2023

Ghot said:
Yeah. ^^
They spend it on junky stuff.

...such as a 10TB WD Black that is being marketed for gaming and that costs the same as an 18TB Enterprise HDD. Here is a poodle...

Ghot · Aug 13, 2023

hdmi said:
...such as a 10TB WD Black that is being marketed for gaming and that costs the same as an 18TB Enterprise HDD. Here is a poodle...

If the 18TB dies before the WD Black... then it isn't worth 50 cents. ^^

Q: Why can't I find failure rate charts for WD Blacks?

A: Duh.

pparks1 · Aug 13, 2023

I've had good luck with just about every hard drive I have ever bought. Including connor, maxtor, seagate, WD, Samsung, IBM Desktar's, etc. I think the only drive I ever had flat out fail was a maxtor.

For SSD's/NVMe's, I've used WD, Crucial, Samsung, Intel, Pny and Sandisk. I've got 4 WD SN750's (in 2 different boxers), and a 2TB WD SN850 in my desktop and they have been great for me. Those are my goto NVMe's these days.

TM21 · Aug 13, 2023

After 40+ years as a professional PC builder/tech, I have developed my own list of drives that I would NEVER buy, and the only company that is still in business is WD. So they are the only one still on my Sh** List. NEVER MORE, cried the Raven, NEVER MORE!

Having said that, I do have several WD drives, that I still use, including an 8TB spinner that I rescued from a defunct external enclosure.
I practically had to use the Jaws of Life, to get the drive out of that enclosure, , , I mean like it was welded in. But once it was free, it was fully usable as a data storage drive. What was left of the enclosure went right into the trash. There were NO usable parts. I use that 8TB spinner to store my ISO's, and images of my other drives.

But would I EVER buy a WD drive? OH HELL NO! And would I ever buy another mechanical HD, same answer!

From now on, for this old tech, it's one brand, and one type. Crucial, SSD. Period.

So, if you're not trusting in your old spinner, replace it with a new SSD from Crucial. SSD's are quiet, cool running and draw very little power compared to a spinner, so you can put as many in your system as you have SATA ports to plug them into. More actually! SATA plugs are easily moved from one drive to another as the need arises. I do that all the time, too.
You can even stack them, one on top of another, when space is a problem. I've done all that. One spinner slot = two SSD's.

Only one brand of SSD has made it to my Sh** List, so far, and that's PNY. Don't ask, and just don't buy one!!!

Good Luck, Mate,
TM

Ghot · Aug 13, 2023

Q: What are the best drives to get for my computer?

A: Crowd: RRAAARRRWWW!!!

johnlgalt · Aug 14, 2023

Ghot said:
I don't know if folks remember, but back in the day... the Hitachi Deskstar was known as the Death Star hard drive due to it's ridiculous failure rate.

Uh, yeah, their drives for laptops were the absolute pits. Especially (but not limited to) the 4200 rpm drives.

I fondly remember the 'Death Star' moniker, we used it often at both the shop as well as at various IT depts.

It's a matter of personal preference.

Sure the WD Black may be more expensive. Just like a Porsche is more expensive. Does that mean I'm gonna be mad if someone buys a Porsche?

Kinda stupid to argue about HD manufacturer choice - because it is just that - a choice.

PenPusher · Aug 14, 2023

I use 2 WD Red 4Tb SMR's in my Synology 218 play nas... I store my music mp4a's.
And Macarium reflect backup's.
So not a lot of writing, more like long term storage, well within the capabilities of SMR drives lol

, I do know what they are! Insert rude word in this space!(....)

pparks1 · Aug 14, 2023

TechnoMage2021 said:
But would I EVER buy a WD drive? OH HELL NO! And would I ever buy another mechanical HD, same answer!

I still have mechanical hard drives, but the only new ones I have bought in a while are externals that I use to store my Macrium images on and I got my teenage son an 8TB spinner simply to store games on that he is not actively playing, but may play again and doesn't want to redownload. My externals have all been WD drives. My son's spinner is a Seagate.

kelper · Aug 14, 2023

Can't we just call them HDDs and SSDs? Spinner sounds like baby talk to this old Brit! It's nearly as grating as 'puter.

antspants · Aug 14, 2023

kelper said:
Can't we just call them HDDs and SSDs? Spinner sounds like baby talk to this old Brit! It's nearly as grating as 'puter.

I vote for Hudududds & Essdy’s

hdmi · Aug 15, 2023

johnlgalt said:
Sure the WD Black may be more expensive. Just like a Porsche is more expensive.

When you buy a Porsche, you pay extra because you're getting a whole bunch of extras. When you buy a WD Black, you're only getting two extras. A black sticker with a cool font and a whole bunch of fairy tales the majority of which exist on the internet.

pparks1 · Aug 15, 2023

I don't think the WD Black NVMe's are really any more expensive than any of the other name brands. A 2TB WD SN850x is $154 at Amazon. A samsung 990 pro is $159.

hdmi · Aug 15, 2023

pparks1 said:
I don't think the WD Black NVMe's are really any more expensive than any of the other name brands. A 2TB WD SN850x is $154 at Amazon. A samsung 990 pro is $159.

I was referring to WD Black HDDs. Not SSDs.

pparks1 · Aug 15, 2023

hdmi said:
I was referring to WD Black HDDs. Not SSDs.

Ah gotcha. i never cared for the black HDD's, they were always to noisy in my opinion, and in my setup.

hdmi · Aug 15, 2023

pparks1 said:
Ah gotcha. i never cared for the black HDD's, they were always to noisy in my opinion, and in my setup.

Back in the old day of Windows 7 and Sandy Bridge, a lot of gamers were still swearing by the 1TB WD Black HDD for their OS drive. But the Samsung Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ had faster sustained reads and it was cheaper so TBH... a sucker gets born every minute. lol

antspants · Aug 15, 2023

hdmi said:
Back in the old day of Windows 7 and Sandy Bridge, a lot of gamers were still swearing by the 1TB WD Black HDD for their OS drive. But the Samsung Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ had faster sustained reads and it was cheaper so TBH... a sucker gets born every minute. lol

Both of which are still available for purchase (used) for around US$40

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