Heads Up to Folks using a Microsoft email account, DO NOT WAIT to see if you are affected by this change


Which has now turned into a lesson about Exchange mail flow lol. This is some rabbit hole, cheers
 

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Is Microsoft Professional Plus 2016 connected via MS Exchange OK to my Microsoft mail account since this is the oldest version of Office I use?
 

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Hi folks
Some of this appears to come from the realms of pure Bovine Scatology. On Outlook (from Ms Office) provided your email server supports it and 99% of those supplied by ISP's would seem to support it -- choose "Authentication method".

Go into Control panel Mail -- Outlook Doesn´t work from within outlook itself as you don´t get the "Manual set up" option and choose change against the email account you need to change.

Then choose manual -- and you'l l see from the drop down you can change the authentication method,

Sorry here screenshot is in Isl. but you should get the same thing in English. Ms don;t make this easy though by hiding this stuff.

Skjámynd 2024-08-14 085748.png

(Ekkert means no authentication which might be default on many accounts).


Added :
If your email server doesn't support these protocols then that's another issue but I expect the major players e,g gmail or whatever it's called now will have the changes well in hand.

Cheers
jimbo
 
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SSL/TLS and STARTTLS isn’t 2FA . It’s not what Microsoft is asking for. They’re standard mail protocols.

EDIT: They are needed but not what will be denying access. (See next post})
 

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Microsoft 365 (Outlook) shouldn’t need changes in Authentification as the mail goes through Exchange. You are right, Jimbo. The way I responded reads like STARTTLS isn’t needed , it is and you’re right.
If for some reason an “Outlook” eMail account stops responding, one only needs to re-add it in Outlook (365 or 2021)

But eMail Apps other than Microsoft 365 (Outlook) and Office 2021 (Outlook) will need tending to with OAuth2 Authentication.
 
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As far as I understand it, if you have Authentication methods applied to your Microsoft Outlook eMail account in the security settings in Micrsoft on-line (like one from the image below) then all one needs to do is add the email account to the eMail Apps and Authenticate when asked.

But this depends on the eMail Apps. If the eMail Apps does not support OAuth2 security, An Outlook email account will not work.

(From my phones MS Authenticator App)

Screenshot 2024-08-14 at 7.04.27 PM.jpeg

This is why I use Microsoft Authenticator App on my phone, I don’t need to log in to Microsoft to add or change security/authentication methods. It’s can all be done via the app after adding an Outlook Account to the app.

Makes life easier.
 
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If I have the Authenticator App and add an Outlook Account to a 3rd party eMail Apps, when the eMail account is being added and providing OAuth2 is selected in the eMail App, all I have to do is confirm the process on my phone “Authenticate”

Or if not, one will get a pin from Microsoft via SMS or eMail which will most likely be entered when adding the Outlook account. Again, providing you have this setup in your Outlook accounts security and the eMail App supports OAuth2
 
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@antspants, you are muddying the waters even further by referring to Email Clients as eM-Client, which is a separate piece of software.
 

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@antspants, you are muddying the waters even further by referring to Email Clients as eM-Client, which is a separate piece of software.

Yeah, true, sorry. Just my abbreviation. I didn’t know eM-Client even existed until earlier this year. Bad habit. “eMail client”
 

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I think I fixed them all.
 

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Hi folks
Some of this appears to come from the realms of pure Bovine Scatology. On Outlook (from Ms Office) provided your email server supports it and 99% of those supplied by ISP's would seem to support it -- choose "Authentication method".

This change doesn't affect ISP-supplied email servers, only Outlook.com (including hotmail.com, live.com, msn.com).

As indicated in the thread title and the first line of the first post, as well as in post #5:

This is for Microsoft email accounts, not 3rd party or personal domains.
 

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This change doesn't affect ISP-supplied email servers, only Outlook.com (including hotmail.com, live.com, msn.com).

As indicated in the thread title and the first line of the first post, as well as in post #5:

I posted post #5
Not sure what you mean?

“Anyone using a 3rd party app that DOES support modern authentication“ So I’d suspect an event or two

Also, as the article states, for em clients that do support authentication methods; if the account was added without authentication, it will need to be re-added with the correct settings. Thunderbird and IOS (which both support the proper authentication) for instance will need to be setup again if they were setup without the proper authentication. Microsoft have supplied instructions.
I’d bet there are still people who use dinosaur em clients that may run into issues.

This is for Microsoft email accounts, not 3rd party or personal domains.

And I am only referring to Outlook.Com Accounts.
 

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I posted post #5
Not sure what you mean?



And I am only referring to Outlook.Com Accounts.

Exactly. That's why I quoted you. Because at post #24, talk about ISP-supplied email servers started confusing the issue.
 

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Exactly. That's why I quoted you. Because at post #24, talk about ISP-supplied email servers started confusing the issue.

So why are you hassling me about it? I follow the flow of a thread. I didn't post #24 but I did answer it, and diverted back to Outlook accounts 28/29.
Seriously.

You could always add me to Ignore?
 

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So why are you hassling me about it?
I quoted your correct statement (without comment) to indicate that the issue context should have been clear to others.

Sorry if that offended you. I'll remove my quote of your bolded line if you wish?
 

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Sorry to be late on this.
I followed the link for an explanation from MS, but I'm still confused.
I have been using hotmail.com for many, many years and also the same ID under Gmail.
I use W11 and Office 365, currently with Outlook "Classic" tried and was not keen on the new version.

This my Outlook account options. Do I need to do anything? I currently don't have an ID at outlook .com that I'm aware of.

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I have been using hotmail.com for many, many years ...

I currently don't have an ID at outlook .com that I'm aware of.

If you use a hotmail.com email address then you do have an ID at outlook.com.

I use W11 and Office 365, currently with Outlook "Classic" tried and was not keen on the new version.

This my Outlook account options. Do I need to do anything?

But as you already use Microsoft 365 Outlook with Exchange Syncing you don't need to do anything.
 
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This my Outlook account options. Do I need to do anything?

No. Outlook.com (Microsoft/hotmail) belongs to Microsoft, as does Outlook.
If you’re using a 3rd party email client then you will need to have either activated an authenticator or have a web password for your Outlook email address.
Both can be done in your outlook Account online in the security section.

If you’re not using a 3rd party email client, like Bluemail or Thunderbird etc, to get your Microsoft email, then don’t worry.
Regardless, you’ll be notified by the app if you need to use one.

This is to my knowladge.
 

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    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus VI Formula
    Memory
    32.0 GB of I forget and the box is in storage.
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte nVidia GeForce GTX 1660 Super OC 6GB
    Sound Card
    Onboard
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    4 x LG 23MP75 - 2 x 24MK430H-B - 1 x Wacom Pro 22" Tablet
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    All over the place
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    Too many to list.
    OS on Samsung 1TB 870 QVO SATA
    PSU
    Silverstone 1500
    Case
    NZXT Phantom 820 Full-Tower Case
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 Elite Class Dual Tower CPU Cooler / 6 x EziDIY 120mm / 2 x Corsair 140mm somethings / 1 x 140mm Thermaltake something / 2 x 200mm Corsair.
    Keyboard
    Corsair K95 / Logitech diNovo Edge Wireless
    Mouse
    Logitech G402 / G502 / Mx Masters / MX Air Cordless
    Internet Speed
    100/40Mbps
    Browser
    All sorts
    Antivirus
    Kaspersky Premium
    Other Info
    I’m on a horse.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 Build: 22631.4249
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    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    LENOVO Yoga 7i EVO OLED 14" Touchscreen i5 12 Core 16GB/512GB
    CPU
    Intel Core 12th Gen i5-1240P Processor (1.7 - 4.4GHz)
    Memory
    16GB LPDDR5 RAM
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe Graphics Processor
    Sound Card
    Optimized with Dolby Atmos®
    Screen Resolution
    QHD 2880 x 1800 OLED
    Hard Drives
    M.2 512GB
    Other Info
    …still on a horse.

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