HP BIOS Status For SSD Upgrade.


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Hi. I recently upgraded our Dell Laptop from HDD to SSD and my son has asked me to do the same with his HP laptop. It is an HP Envy 17 bw0003na i7 8th Gen with a 1TB HDD and 16Gb PCLe NVMe Intel Optane module. I also wanted to change the SATA configuration from Raid to AHCI without a clean install using Safe Mode, and there was an option in the Dell BIOS to switch, something I can't see in the HP BIOS. There is an option in BIOS to disable Intel Optane and I would probably remove the Optane module when replacing the HDD. I'm unsure if the BIOS is set to Raid or AHCI - it uses the IRST driver but the BIOS says that it is AHCI (non-Raid). I've attached a couple of shots of the HP BIOS using my mobile phone so hope they are OK. I have also read on the HP Forums about "Locked BIOS" in some HP devices and was unsure if that is what was happening here. Would be grateful for any advice. Thanks.
 
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This best thing I can advise regarding disabling optane in the HP is to go into it hoping for the best, but preparing for the worse. Backup all personal data before doing anything. Disabling Optane has proven to be the bane of many computer users and dependent on the case, can require a clean install.

Intel Optane memory has to be disabled within whichever Intel RST application your system uses before attempting to disable it in BIOS. According to intel it depends on the bios itself whether sata mode switching is available in that bios or not. If it is not, Windows will have to be clean installed. Also, according to Intel, it depends on what series of optane memory you have. (M or H)
See section 3.1.2 of this Intel instruction sheet for disabling optane. https://www.intel.com/content/dam/s...ory/intel-optane-memory-user-installation.pdf

If you do not have optane settings in your HP bios , you may well have what intel terms "SRT" instead of IRST. SRT is a subset of RST and uses it's "RST" driver package.
SRT uses one of the IRST drivers to cache the most commonly used data to a solid state cache module, and modifies the Os to read/write using this cached data to speed up the system
Please recheck your Bios, the setting to enable/disable caching is there or it will be in the intel RST control panel application
See if this HP article regarding SRT applies to your HP.

To put it simply, dealing with the results of optane can be a hornet's nest. Hope some of this helps. Good luck.
 

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Hi glasskuter and thanks for replying. From what you're saying disabling Optane may be more trouble than it's worth and we would like to avoid a clean install if possible. The main reason for changing from Raid to AHCI is to make it easier for my son to do a clean install without the use of the IRST driver. I assume if we left everything as is and simply cloned the HDD to a new SSD and swapped them over there should be no issues. In the Dell PC where I changed the HDD for an SSD I disabled the Optane module in BIOS and removed the module ( I had previously changed from Raid to AHCI in the Dell BIOS and clean installed), but it seems that the BIOS in HP is considerably different. There is an option to disable Optane in HP BIOS but I'm unsure of the consequences. Thanks again for your help.
 

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There is an option to disable Optane in HP BIOS but I'm unsure of the consequences.
I thought your said in your first post that there was no optane option in the HP
That be so, the procedure should be basically what you did in the Dell. ref: the Intel article section 3.1.2
I admit that dealing with optane has scared the be-jesus out of me every time I dealt with it and I always ended up with a clean install since I didn't trust it. Worst idea Intel ever came up with....or at maybe it was an idea ahead of its time...I'm not sure which.
 

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Hi glasskuter. Yes sorry for the confusion. In photo 1 there is an option to disable Optane but I'm not sure if that would affect the operation of the main C drive other than slow it down. There appears to be no switch to change from Raid to AHCI although in photo 4 it says that the main drive is "non raid" which seems strange to me. I'm probably missing something. Thanks again.
 

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I don't think it would hurt anything if you tried disabling the Optane memory in the BIOS. If the laptop doesn't boot, you can go back into the BIOS and turn it back on. I do recommend making a system image first though.
 

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Yes. I'll give it a try. It would have been clearer if there was a Raid/AHCI switch as in the Dell. I'm wondering if disabling Optane in BIOS and also in the Intel Storage Management App automatically changes the configuration from Raid to AHCI? The main reason is to make it easier for my son to do a clean windows install without the extra step of the IRST driver. Thanks again.
 

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I have one computer that came with Optane Memory. I never did use it as optane memory. When I got the computer home I disconnected the HDD and installed my SSD from my old computer into it. There was a thread on either Ten Forums or Eleven forums that gave me the idea to see if I could use it as a SSD drive. If I'm remembering correctly I turned off the Optane Memory in the BIOS and I was able to use it as a small SSD drive. When I found out it worked I went out and bought a 1TB NVMe drive to replace it. I then restored a backup image to it and it became my main drive.
 

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Worst idea Intel ever came up with....or at maybe it was an idea ahead of its time...I'm not sure which.
My vote goes to Worst Idea.
 

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A fast, nonvolatile cache for an HDD? Maybe not a terrible idea. Whose time has passed.
Just to save a couple of seconds? Not worth the headaches it has caused some users.
 

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Hi Winuser. Have you done a clean Windows install on the machine with the Optane disabled and if so did you still need to insert the IRST driver to detect the drive?
 

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Hi Winuser. Have you done a clean Windows install on the machine with the Optane disabled and if so did you still need to insert the IRST driver to detect the drive?
The only clean install I did was after I replaced the Optane drive with the 1TB drive. If the Optane drive is disabled in the BIOS, I don't see why the IRST driver would be needed. Being disabled should give the same results as removing the drive. No drive, no driver needed. As most of us always recommend, make sure you have a working backup image to be on the safe side. If you do find the driver is needed there are guides on how to inject the driver into the install process. Plus you can always ask us for help if needed.
 

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Hi Winuser. Yes thanks. I always do a Reflect backup before anything, especially something I'm not sure about. The Intel Optane app is pre installed on this device. I checked and there is a Disable option there. I suppose I would disable in the app and then disable in BIOS - not sure if app disabling also disables in BIOS but I'll check. Thanks again for your help.
 

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Hi Winuser. Yes thanks. I always do a Reflect backup before anything, especially something I'm not sure about. The Intel Optane app is pre installed on this device. I checked and there is a Disable option there. I suppose I would disable in the app and then disable in BIOS - not sure if app disabling also disables in BIOS but I'll check. Thanks again for your help.
I would disable it in both the Bios and the app. I doubt the app would have access to the BIOS.
 

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Yes, I'm sure that's the case. I appreciate your help. Thanks again. Jim.
 

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