HYPER-V and 2nd level VM


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Hi folks

I've enabled 2nd level VM and it works on creating "nested VM's" -- not worried about performance at this point - I cam mess with that later -- but is this correct -- cannot run Macrium VIboot from within a Virtual machine or have I done something wrong. Hyper-V works OK so I'm not sure what to look for next. Hyper-V on the VM (VM1) can create VM2 and run it -- again don't think about performance -- the thing runs !!!.

Viboot though runs (as it should) perfectly well on the HOST.


Running on latest Canary build W11 Pro

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I know this is not normally done and I can't remember if it worked previously but nesting VM's i.e VM1 is HOST for VM2 was (and is) perfectly possible .

Cheers
jimbo
 

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jimbo45 said:
Hi folks

I've enabled 2nd level VM and it works on creating "nested VM's" -- not worried about performance at this point - I cam mess with that later -- but is this correct -- cannot run Macrium VIboot from within a Virtual machine or have I done something wrong. Hyper-V works OK so I'm not sure what to look for next. Hyper-V on the VM (VM1) can create VM2 and run it -- again don't think about performance -- the thing runs !!!.

Viboot though runs (as it should) perfectly well on the HOST.


Running on latest Canary build W11 Pro

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I know this is not normally done and I can't remember if it worked previously but nesting VM's i.e VM1 is HOST for VM2 was (and is) perfectly possible .

Cheers
jimbo
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Ask on Macrium Reflect forum?
 

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I have several VM's running most of the time. Some are set to automatically backup using Macrium. The auto backups sometimes fail because of permissions issues, but manually initiated backups always work if I do everything right.
 

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GaryW said:
I have several VM's running most of the time. Some are set to automatically backup using Macrium. The auto backups sometimes fail because of permissions issues, but manually initiated backups always work if I do everything right.
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Nice ro know but the thread is about running viboot on a nested vm.
 

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    Windows 11 Pro + Win11 Canary VM.
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    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Zenbook 14
    CPU
    I9 13th gen i9-13900H 2.60 GHZ
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB soldered
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop OLED screen
    Screen Resolution
    2880x1800 touchscreen
    Hard Drives
    1 TB NVME SSD (only weakness is only one slot)
    PSU
    Internal + 65W thunderbolt USB4 charger
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois (UK pint cans - 568 ml) - extra cost.
    Keyboard
    Built in UK keybd
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wireless dongled, wired
    Internet Speed
    900 mbs (ethernet), wifi 6 typical 350-450 mb/s both up and down
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0, 2xUSB4 thunderbolt, 1xUsb3 (usb a), 1xUsb-c, hdmi out, 3.5 mm audio out/in combo, ASUS backlit trackpad (inc. switchable number pad)

    Macrium Reflect Home V8
    Office 365 Family (6 users each 1TB onedrive space)
    Hyper-V (a vm runs almost as fast as my older laptop)
It looks as viboot checks at launch if it runs in a VM and simply won't run if so.
The message it shows is clear.
 

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Hopachi said:
It looks as viboot checks at launch if it runs in a VM and simply won't run if so.
The message it shows is clear.
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However the "OS" it's running in is now the HOST even if it is in a VM. I suppose somewhere the system must know whether it's in a VM environment or not -- otherwise one could use a VM to hack into all sorts of things on a hardware host.

Anyway I've finished with that for now -- it's not a serious issue. !!

cheers
jimbo
 

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jimbo45 said:
However the "OS" it's running in is now the HOST even if it is in a VM. I suppose somewhere the system must know whether it's in a VM environment or not -- otherwise one could use a VM to hack into all sorts of things on a hardware host.
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If it's a VM it's a VM. Point on that. :-)
The system knows.

Just check Task Manager -> Performance tab below.
You either have "Virtualisation: Enabled" and in case of a VM, you get something like "Virtual machine: Yes"
I believe there are API calls to ask the system if 'this' is a VM so a program will also know, on demand.

Regarding the hack part, it is indeed very useful to be able to test stuff in VM, that's why some malware even started detecting if it is ran in a VM and in such a case the operation will be terminated, read no infection like on a real host will occur and no complete analysis can be done in case of malware hunting and study.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Intel NUC
    CPU
    i3 8109U
    Motherboard
    Intel
    Memory
    16GB DDR4 @2400
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Iris Plus Graphics 655
    Sound Card
    Intel / Realtek HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG-32ML600M
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Intel SSD 250GB + Samsung QVO SSD 1TB
    PSU
    Adapter
    Cooling
    The usual NUC airflow
    Keyboard
    Logitech Orion G610
    Mouse
    SteelSeries Rival 100 Red
    Internet Speed
    Good enough
    Browser
    Chromium, Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
  • Operating System
    CentOS 9 Stream / Alma / Rocky / Fedora
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    TOSHIBA
    CPU
    Intel i7 4800MQ
    Motherboard
    TOSHIBA
    Memory
    32GB DDR3 @1600
    Graphics card(s)
    NVIDIA Quadro K2100M
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Built-in
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
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