It looks like I'm stuck with Windows 10.

Bree · Jun 24, 2021

flavallee said:
I also discovered my 6th generation Dell OptiPlex 3620 towers have TPM 1.2, but they do have firmware for TPM 2.0, so I should have better luck with them.

Maybe, maybe not. There are also processor requirements, I can't find any Intel CPU earlier than 8th gen in the supported lists.:

Windows 11

Supported AMD Processors

Supported Intel Processors

Supported Qualcomm Processors

Windows Processor Requirements

This specification details the processors that can be used by OEMs to manufacture Customer Systems that include Windows Products (including Custom Images).

docs.microsoft.com

jbcarreon123 · Jun 24, 2021

WIN11User said:
It is quite possible that Microsoft will have that fixed before official release. But there is a way...overwrite the INSTALL.WIM in the Window 10 ISO with the INSTALL.WIM from the Windows 11 ISO. IF you have INSTALL.ESD, you must first convert it.

I have an W10 ESD-ISO.

flavallee said:
Bree:
I discovered my 4th generation Dell Optiplex 9020 minitowers have TPM 1.2 and have no firmware for TPM 2.0, so they probably won't be running Windows 11 in the future.
I also discovered my 6th generation Dell OptiPlex 3620 towers have TPM 1.2, but they do have firmware for TPM 2.0, so I should have better luck with them.

jbcarreon123:
Go into the BIOS for your Dells and look for a heading with the name Security.
Expand it to expose its list of entries.
There should be an entry with the name TPM Security.
Check the settings to see if it's enabled and activated.

Go into the support site for your Dells and select the driver downloads for Windows 10 64-bit.
Select the Security section of the drivers list.
If TPM 2.0 firmware is listed, you're in luck.

I have an 2012-ish pale blue BIOS that has no TPM settings into it.
Also, all the drivers in the website are for XP, Vista, 7 and 8.
My PC is Dell Vostro 270s

johnlgalt · Jun 24, 2021

My laptop is based upon 6th generation Intel processor, so it failed the PC Health test miserably. And it is under warranty for another year lol.

Ahhh, well. My desktop can run it so I'm fine with that.

jbcarreon123 · Jun 24, 2021

This is my BIOS.

flavallee · Jun 24, 2021

Your image shows a 2nd generation Intel Core i3 processor, so I think you're out of luck with Windows 11.

erpster4 · Jun 24, 2021

flavallee said:
Your image shows a 2nd generation Intel Core i3 processor, so I think you're out of luck with Windows 11.

I thought Dell Vostro 270s is a 3rd gen Intel machine, according to these specs
either way, that machine is missing TPM and only a handful of old Dell Vostros have it as noted here.

Michele · Jun 24, 2021

jbcarreon123 said:
This is my BIOS.
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That was released early 2011 wasn't it? Mine is from Sep 2015. See this post;

https://twitter.com/x/status/1408171974422110208

Soft limits is on the cpu. That means you might have a shot but it's not advisable

johnlgalt · Jun 24, 2021

The CPU generation is too old. And the BIOS version date suggests that it was assembled and sold well before the TPM 2.0 specification was live.

ISO/IEC 11889-1:2015

Information technology — Trusted platform module library — Part 1: Architecture

www.iso.org

Which may also be why CPUs older than a certain generation are being automatically precluded by Microsoft.....

HHH03 · Jun 24, 2021

It’s probably the Spectre/Meltdown business why slightly older CPU’s are not included. I once saw a security paper explaining that only a hardware replacement (CPU) can truly fix these vulnerabilities. I did spend a lot on $$$ my current machine, it’s sad it’s going to be worthless.

jbcarreon123 · Jun 24, 2021

Michele said:
That was released early 2011 wasn't it? Mine is from Sep 2015. See this post;

https://twitter.com/x/status/1408171974422110208

Soft limits is on the cpu. That means you might have a shot but it's not advisable

I updated my BIOS to A13
that is Sep 2018.
So PC Health Check detects my PC is 3 years old.

flavallee · Jun 24, 2021

erpster4 said:
I thought Dell Vostro 270s is a 3rd gen Intel machine, according to these specs
either way, that machine is missing TPM and only a handful of old Dell Vostros have it as noted here.

The Intel Core i3-2100 processor mentioned in the image is a 2nd generation model.
You can identify which generation an Intel Core processor is by the first number after the dash in its description.

Other examples:
My Dell OptiPlex 9020 has an Intel Core i7-4790 processor, so it's 4th generation.
My Dell Precision 3620 has an Intel Core i7-6700 processor, so it's 6th generation.

The web page link you submitted shows the Intel Core i3-2100 processor as 2nd generation.

Vostro 270s Desktop Details – Compact Small Business Desktop | Dell Bermuda

jbcarreon123 · Jun 24, 2021

flavallee said:
The Intel Core i3-2100 processor mentioned in the image is a 2nd generation model.
You can identify which generation an Intel Core processor is by the first number after the dash in its description.

Other examples:
My Dell OptiPlex 9020 has an Intel Core i7-4790 processor, so it's 4th generation.
My Dell Precision 3620 has an Intel Core i7-6700 processor, so it's 6th generation.

The web page link you submitted shows the Intel Core i3-2100 processor as 2nd generation.

Vostro 270s Desktop Details – Compact Small Business Desktop | Dell Bermuda

8-gen Intel processors and up is on the supported list.

Hazel123 · Jun 24, 2021

My main laptop won't run Windows 11. It's about 11 years old - but hardly used! HP Pavilion DM4. I bought two used ones years ago - one for spares. Wore one of them out to death then dropped it and broke it to bits recently, so started using the other one - which is hardly used - like a 2 year old laptop. Shame, I really like my laptop - because the mousepad is in the middle lol. I hate mousepads not being in the middle. And I got it cheap. We do have a couple of other computers in the house that will run it though.

johnlgalt · Jun 24, 2021

erpster4 said:
I thought Dell Vostro 270s is a 3rd gen Intel machine, according to these specs
either way, that machine is missing TPM and only a handful of old Dell Vostros have it as noted here.

From that page:

Keep pace with your growing business.
Whether you’re drafting spreadsheets, creating presentations or processing data, you can get the job done fast with the compact Dell Vostro™ 270s, featuring up to 3rd Gen Intel® Core™ i3 and i5 processor options and Windows® 7 Professional.

Meaning they can have older Processors also.

jbcarreon123 · Jun 25, 2021

Michele said:
That was released early 2011 wasn't it? Mine is from Sep 2015. See this post;

https://twitter.com/x/status/1408171974422110208

Soft limits is on the cpu. That means you might have a shot but it's not advisable

I don't have TPM options, even 1.2.
So, in 2025, My PC is definitely a toast. Or I can switch to Linux and use QEMU/KVM to virtualize Windows 11.

flavallee · Jun 25, 2021

If what I've been reading from Microsoft is correct, only 8th generation and newer processors will be supported by Windows 11.
Windows 11 is scheduled to be released in the fall of 2021, so we should know what we need to know by then.

johnlgalt · Jun 25, 2021

If that holds true, and if Microsoft manages to make that date for RTM. It's Microsoft, and there are always a lot of "IFs" with them, and in this situation, a lot more than normal.

flavallee · Jun 25, 2021

This is Microsoft's current prediction - if it holds true.
Both Windows 11 and Windows 10 Version 21H2 will launch in the fall of this year.

johnlgalt · Jun 25, 2021

Launch meaning released to Manufacturing versus launch meaning released to users to install via Windows Update.

Everywhere I've heard users get it 2022, not 2021

Hazel123 · Jun 27, 2021

Seems our other laptop won’t run it either. 2015 HP Spectre X360 13. It has UEFI but only TPM 1.2. I can’t see any firmware to upgrade this model to TPM 2.0 although HP has this for other models.