Solved Macrium 8.1 is available!

Ghot · Jan 30, 2023

Wisewiz said:
I've had that disabled in TM on both W11 and W10 (3 PCs) forever, and haven't seen any effect on anything.

Yeah... enabled or disabled made no difference to the restore times (40% slower), via the Rescue Media.

FrancoDT · Jan 30, 2023

Wisewiz said:
You'll find an assortment of opinions here on that question. I choose not to install any of the three; so, of course, I don't use them and can't report on bugs.

Interesting, my 8.0 is doing a backup as we speak and I'm trying to decide what to install for 8.1 or just throw in everything. I remember there was a big to do last time they tried to release this build and it got recalled.

kado897 · Jan 30, 2023

FrancoDT said:
Ok, I'm fairly new to the paid version and just got prompted to install 8.1. What options are recommended or have bugs CBT, image guardian, viBoot. Are all three recommended for the average user.

I disable CBT that seems to be where any bugs are found.

PerpetualCycle · Jan 30, 2023

Wow. My backup time (66GB) went down from 5 minutes to 1 minute! This is from m.2 to m.2. Good job Macrium - and about time!

Hope there are no bugs

EDIT: By the way, that 1 minute is with encryption and standard compression

cereberus · Jan 30, 2023

geneo said:
Wow. My backup time (66GB) went down from 5 minutes to 1 minute! This is from m.2 to m.2.

Hope there are no bugs

Create a virtual hard drive, restore image to it, and create a boot entry to test it has restored ok.

PerpetualCycle · Jan 30, 2023

cereberus said:
Create a virtual hard drive, restore image to it, and create a boot entry to test it has restored ok.

I can just restore it. I have plenty good Macrium backups.

PerpetualCycle · Jan 30, 2023

Now I may increase the level of compression.

cereberus · Jan 30, 2023

FrancoDT said:
Ok, I'm fairly new to the paid version and just got prompted to install 8.1. What options are recommended or have bugs CBT, image guardian, viBoot. Are all three recommended for the average user.

None of these are essential to base operation, although a CBT bug could affect things.

I tend to avoid CBT as it does not save a lot, and was rather flakey in its early days, and I have never bothered since.

I strongly recommend Macrium Image Guardian - it prevents hackers deleting/tampering with image backups. If you get issues you can just turn it off.

Also Viboot is a separate program (also in free version). It allows you to run images as a virtual machine in Virtualbox (V7 now) and Hyper-V (if a Pro user). I test image backups with this to check image backup is sound. There is no harm installing it - you do not have to use it.

cereberus · Jan 30, 2023

geneo said:
Now I may incre4ase the level of compression.

Whether this benefits depends on drive speeds, CPU speed etc. My tests always found Medium was a good optimum but it may differ for you

Having said that, I am going to try it out of interest now you mention it.

Ghot · Jan 30, 2023

I just restored back to version 8.0.6635
My restore from backup via Rescue Media is back down to 1:55 - 2:00

While it's nice to be able to make fast backups from within Windows... I don't want to have to pay for that when I'm doing restores from the Rescue Media. I think I'll wait till they get it... fixed.

PerpetualCycle · Jan 30, 2023

So, with high compression I get about 700-800 MB/s and it takes 1:34 minutes. Still way better than 5 minutes. But the image size is negligibly smaller. This is because I have all of my data on another disk so this is mostly all OS.

cereberus · Jan 30, 2023

geneo said:
So, with high compression I get about 700-800 MB/s and it takes 1:34 minutes. Still way better than 5 minutes. But the image size is negligibly smaller. This is because I have all of my data on another disk so this is mostly all OS.

My time went up from 1:50 to 2:45 for virtually no change (21GB backup to 20 GB backup).

Just to be silly, I turned off compression altogether and boom - mega fast (I have nvme drives) and it took 1 minute but file size was 34 GB.

So as always Medium still looks best though as a balance between speed and disk space.

PerpetualCycle · Jan 30, 2023

cereberus said:
My time went up from 1:50 to 2:45 for virtually no change (21GB backup to 20 GB backup).

Just to be silly, I turned off compression altogether and boom - mega fast (I have nvme drives) and it took 1 minute but file size was 34 GB.

So as always Medium still looks best though as a balance between speed and disk space.

Depends on what your backing up. OS is already pretty much compressed.

Ghot · Jan 30, 2023

Ghot said:
I just restored back to version 8.0.6635
My restore from backup via Rescue Media is back down to 1:55 - 2:00

While it's nice to be able to make fast backups from within Windows... I don't want to have to pay for that when I'm doing restores from the Rescue Media. I think I'll wait till they get it... fixed.

Here's the post I just made on Macrium forums...

Revised v8.1 Release (Build #7336) Now Available

forum.macrium.com

Btw... I just restored from a JAN 27th Win 11 backup, via the Rescue Media, and it only took me 1:30

cereberus · Jan 30, 2023

Ghot said:
I just restored back to version 8.0.6635
My restore from backup via Rescue Media is back down to 1:55 - 2:00

While it's nice to be able to make fast backups from within Windows... I don't want to have to pay for that when I'm doing restores from the Rescue Media. I think I'll wait till they get it... fixed.

Did you have Rapid Delta Restore off in 8.1?

Also, how often do you restore compare with backups? I probably only restore 1 in 10 or thereabouts?

Edit: Just read your Macrium Forum post - I really see no reason not to use RDR. I and most others paid users here use it all the time.

The worst case is you have to repeat the restore with it switched off as the backup is unaffected.

Still, in the end it is your choice.

cereberus · Jan 30, 2023

geneo said:
Depends on what your backing up. OS is already pretty much compressed.

My base OS is around 40 GB inc temporary files so I get quite a good compression with medium.

Ghot · Jan 30, 2023

cereberus said:
Did you have Rapid Delta Restore off in 8.1?

Also, how often do you restore compare with backups? I probably only restore 1 in 10 or thereabouts?

Yeah... I don't use RDR. When I do... it only takes about 22 seconds to restore from within the Rescue Media.
I don't really trust that.
See post #34

Remeber... I don't have a lot of the other requirements that you folks do... so I can wait for the "cherry" updates.

ThrashZone · Jan 30, 2023

cereberus said:
Mine went from 2:50 to 1:52 mm:ss

However, I tried exactly same backup in WinRe mode and time was 3:52 mm:ss - i.e twice as long!

Can one of you guys please checkout speed difference with WinPE?

I cannot see an obvious reason unless WinPE only uses 1 core or maybe a drive issue?

Having said that, I never use WinRE to make backups.

Hi,
Recovery winpe runs off a flash drive and the os is dormant so of course it's going to be slower.
Point really is to get the os possible interruption/ conflicts out of the equation that's why even a 2-3 year old winpe recovery media still works on newest windows updates Myself having 3-4 machines one offline is no big deal :wink:

cereberus · Jan 30, 2023

Ghot said:
Yeah... I don't use RDR. When I do... it only takes about 22 seconds to restore from within the Rescue Media.
I don't really trust that.
See post #34

Remeber... I don't have a lot of the other requirements that you folks do... so I can wait for the "cherry" updates.

On what basis do you not trust it - has it ever let you down?

PerpetualCycle · Jan 30, 2023

cereberus said:
On what basis do you not trust it - has it ever let you down?

If you have a file that has been corrupted it may not restore it (depending on how it got corrupted). For instance, I tune my memory which can result in a silent corruption, so I don't use it. Another example would be some bad driver scribbling on the disk.