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rcferris

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My current PC is getting old, so plan to build a new one.

Win10 Pro Retail is my current OS.

Question is if I should simply move my OS SSD to my new machine, and then upgrade to WIN11, or do a clean install of WIN 11 on the new machine, perhaps with a new SSD.
 
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WIn 10 Pro Version 21H2

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    Intel Core i5 3570K Socket 1155LGA
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    ASUS P8Z77-V LE Plus
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    16GB DDR3 (2x8)
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    Intel HD Graphics 4000
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    SAMSUNG 850 500TB
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That's personal preference, but if it were me, I'd do a clean install on a new SSD and if possible, put the old SSD in as a secondary drive
 

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    HP Pavilion Laptop 15-eg0070wm
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    Intel® Core™ i7-1165G7
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    16 GB DDR4-3200 SDRAM
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    Intel® Iris® Xᵉ Graphics
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    1920x1080
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    512 GB PCIe® NVMe™ M.2 SSD
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    macOS Big Sur
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    Apple iMac 27" 5K (2017)
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    3.4 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5
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    40 GB 2400 MHz DDR4
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    Radeon Pro 570 4 GB
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    27" 5K, 34" UW
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    Mon 1: 5120 × 2880 Mon 2: 2560 x 1080
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My preference would be to always build again from scratch on a new machine. Otherwise, if you bring over an OS with any potential problems it makes trying to troubleshoot your new hardware more difficult as you can never be sure if it's the new stuff, or something with the OS that's not happy after the move.

I'd just take an image of the SSD therefore you can always restore it if you need it back, or you can mount the backup and pull any files that you need that you may have forgotten about.
 

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    Windows 11 Pro
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    Beelink SEI8
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    Intel Core i5-8279u
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    AZW SEI
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    32GB DDR4 2666Mhz
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    Intel Iris Plus 655
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    Intel SST
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    Asus ProArt PA278QV
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    512GB NVMe
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rcferris

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Thanks for both replies. You've confirmed my thoughts, and will go with clean install.
 

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    Intel Core i5 3570K Socket 1155LGA
    Motherboard
    ASUS P8Z77-V LE Plus
    Memory
    16GB DDR3 (2x8)
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    Intel HD Graphics 4000
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    ASUS
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    SAMSUNG 850 500TB
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    Seasonic 750
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Thanks for both replies. You've confirmed my thoughts, and will go with clean install.
I rather disagree Why not just try ssd in new pc - good chance it will just work. You can always clean install later.
 

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    ASUS Vivobook 14
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    I7
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    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB
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    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
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    N/A
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Optane NVME SSD, 1 TB NVME SSD
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    Yep, got one
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    Stella Artois
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Why not just try ssd in new pc - good chance it will just work. You can always clean install later.

I've done this a few times and it works without issue. However, I do prefer to start fresh with a clean install on a new build; but yes, with modern OS' like 10 and 11 this can be done no issue. That said if going from one CPU make (Intel to AMD), you might want a clean install.
 

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    Custom built
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    Intel i9-9900K
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    Gigabyte Aorus Z390 Xtreme
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    32G (4x8) DDR4 Corsair RGB Dominator Platinum (3600Mhz)
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    Radeon VII
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    NEC PA242w (24 inch)
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    1920 x 1200
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    5 Samsung SSD drives: 2X 970 NVME (512 & 1TB), 3X EVO SATA (2X 2TB, 1X 1TB)
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    EVGA Super Nova I000 P2 (1000 watt)
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    Cooler Master H500M
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    Corsair H115i RGB Platinum
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    Logitech Craft
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    Logitech MX Master 3
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    500mb Download. 11mb Upload
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    Microsoft Edge Chromium
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    System used for gaming, photography, audiophile media center, work.
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    Win 10 Pro 22H2 (build 19045.2130)
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    Lenovo ThinkPad Yoga X1
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    Intel i7-7600U
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    Intel
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    16igg
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    Intel HD 620
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    14.0 WQHD OLED Touch
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I always just stick my current SSD into the new machine. It's always worked for me as well. Plus, it takes forever to reinstall software.
 

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    ZOTAC RTX 3060 Twin Edge OC/ ZOTAC Gaming GeForce GTX 1660 Super 6GB GDDR6 192-bit Gaming Graphics Card
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    Proprietary
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    ViewSonic XG2530 25"/Benq XL2411P 24"/ Samsung SyncMaster BX2331 23"
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    SK hynix Gold P31 1TB PCIe NVMe Gen3 M.2 2280 Internal SSD
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    Thermaltake Smart 700W 80+ White Certified PSU
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    Rosewill ATX Mid Tower Gaming Computer Case, Gaming Case with Blue LED for Desktop
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    Corsair iCUE H60i RGB PRO XT Liquid CPU Cooler
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    Corsair K70
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    Logitech MX Master 3
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    Edge (Chromium)
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    I forget, but it's old.
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it takes forever to reinstall software.
I haven't done a clean install in ages, just for that very reason!
I appreciate apps/programs that allow you to export settings!
 

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    ASUS ROG Strix
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My action would be to create a system image backup of the old system before moving. Then move the SSD from the old computer to the new computer and give it a shot at booting and adjusting to new hardware. That way all of your settings, data, and programs move with it.
 

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    Windows 11
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    Homebuilt
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3800XT
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Crosshair VII Hero (WiFi)
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti
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    Windows 11 Education
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    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Inspiron 7773
    CPU
    Intel i7-8550U
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    32GB
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    Nvidia Geforce MX150
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    Realtek
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    17"
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I always just stick my current SSD into the new machine. It's always worked for me as well. Plus, it takes forever to reinstall software.
And that typically is the very reason that I do a clean install.....get rid of all of the old installed stuff that I no longer use. Over time there are apps that I have used for a while, and either found a replacement product or don't have the particular need to run a piece of software anymore. I'd rather start clean and thus will only add it back after I determine that I do actually need it.
 

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    Beelink SEI8
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    Intel Core i5-8279u
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    AZW SEI
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    32GB DDR4 2666Mhz
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    Intel Iris Plus 655
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    Intel SST
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    Asus ProArt PA278QV
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And that typically is the very reason that I do a clean install.....get rid of all of the old installed stuff that I no longer use. Over time there are apps that I have used for a while, and either found a replacement product or don't have the particular need to run a piece of software anymore. I'd rather start clean and thus will only add it back after I determine that I do actually need it.

An interesting idea.

Many years ago, I was told of a woman (who I never met) who packed a large suitcase and moved every few years, leaving behind all the rest of her possessions. (The most valuable thing she abandoned was a newish baby grand piano.) She didn't want to be owned by her stuff.

It never occurred to me that the same could apply to software.
 

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    Windows 11 22621.898
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    homebuilt
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    Intel I9-13900K
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    Asus RoG Strix Z690-E
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    64GB G.Skill DDR5-6000
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    Gigabyte RTX 4090 OC
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    none (USB to speakers), Realtek
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    Viewsonic XG320U
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    3840 X 2160 @ 144Hz
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    WB Black SN850 1TB M.2 NVME SSD
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    eVGA SuperNOVA 1300 GT
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    1200 Mbps
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    homebuilt
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    Ryzen 9 5950X
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    Asus Tuf Gaming X570-Plus
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    64GB DDR4 3800 (@ 3600)
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    Gigabyte RTX 3090 ti
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    built in Realtek
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    Asus PA329C
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    Sabrent 1 TB PCI-E 4.0 X4 NVME M.2
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    eVGA SuperNOVA 850 G6
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    Phanteks ENTHOO Pro M
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rcferris

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Thanks for all the good suggestions and valid points.

How about this?

I have my original WIN 10 Pro Retail disc(s). If I put a new SSD in my new system, and install the WIN 10Pro, then let MS upgrade me to the Win11. Installing WIN 10 Pro on my new systems takes care of many of the concerns about installing WIN 11 on top of an "old" Win 10. Essentially I'd be doing a clean install of WIN 10... I think.

Plus a new Win 11 from MS costs $200.00.
 

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    Intel Core i5 3570K Socket 1155LGA
    Motherboard
    ASUS P8Z77-V LE Plus
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    16GB DDR3 (2x8)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel HD Graphics 4000
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    ASUS
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    SAMSUNG 850 500TB
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    Seasonic 750
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    CM
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johnlgalt

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I'm in the same camp as the other 'clean installers'. Heck, I bought new SSDs a couple of months ago and proceeded to cleanly install Windows 11 again. Installing software doesn't take that long these days, even it is a lot of software - if you know how to copy relevant info from the old Users folder to the new one after installing but before running said software. With all the clean installs I've done, I've probably only started fresh profiles in my browsers maybe ... twice? in the last 5 years.
 

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    Windows 11 21H2 Current build
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    PC/Desktop
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    HomeBrew
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 9 3950X
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    MSI MEG X570 GODLIKE
    Memory
    4 * 32 GB - Corsair Vengeance 3600 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 ULTRA GAMING (12G-P5-3955-KR)
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    Realtek® ALC1220 Codec
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    Eve Spectrum ES07D03 4K Gaming Monitor (Matte finish) | Eve Spectrum ES07DC9 4K Gaming Monitor (Glossy finish)
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    4K x2
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    3x Samsung 980 Pro NVMe PCIe 4 M.2 2 TB SSD (MZ-V8P2T0B/AM)
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    ZXT KRAKEN Z73 73.11 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (3x 120 mm push top) + Air 3x 140mm case fans (pull front) + 1x 120 mm (push back) and 1 x 120 mm (pull bottom)
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    SteelSeries Apex Pro Wired Gaming Keyboard
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    Logitech MX Master 3S
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    AT&T LightSpeed Gigabit Duplex Ftth
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    Nightly (default) + Firefox (stable),Chrome, Edge/ß/Dev/Canary
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    Defender
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    Dell Latitude E5470
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    Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6300U CPU @ 2.40GHz, 2501 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)
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    Dell
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    16 GB
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    Intel(R) HD Graphics 520
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    Dell laptop display 15"
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    1920 * 1080
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    Toshiba 128GB M.2 22300 drive
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Thanks for all the good suggestions and valid points.

How about this?

I have my original WIN 10 Pro Retail disc(s). If I put a new SSD in my new system, and install the WIN 10Pro, then let MS upgrade me to the Win11. Installing WIN 10 Pro on my new systems takes care of many of the concerns about installing WIN 11 on top of an "old" Win 10. Essentially I'd be doing a clean install of WIN 10... I think.

Plus a new Win 11 from MS costs $200.00.
The product keys are exactly the same for Windows 10 and Windows 11. So instead of installing your original Windows 10 Pro and then upgrading to Windows 11, why not download Windows 11 for free from Microsoft, install it, and activate it with your Windows 10 Pro product key?

If you are doing a clean install anyway, and you want to end up with Windows 11, installing Windows 10 first is a waste of time.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11
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    PC/Desktop
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    Homebuilt
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3800XT
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Crosshair VII Hero (WiFi)
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Education
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Inspiron 7773
    CPU
    Intel i7-8550U
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Nvidia Geforce MX150
    Sound Card
    Realtek
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    17"
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    1920 x 1080
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    Toshiba 512GB NVMe SSD
    SK Hynix 512GB SATA SSD
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I'm in the same camp as the other 'clean installers'. Heck, I bought new SSDs a couple of months ago and proceeded to cleanly install Windows 11 again. Installing software doesn't take that long these days, even it is a lot of software - if you know how to copy relevant info from the old Users folder to the new one after installing but before running said software. With all the clean installs I've done, I've probably only started fresh profiles in my browsers maybe ... twice? in the last 5 years.
Why do the New Camp followers always advise to nuke WITHOUT adding proper caveats.

I have lost count of number of times where a poster has clean installed, and found drivers are missing and in some cases pc will not see storage, connect to internet etc.

Also, people go to reinstall office (say) and realise they do not have installation codes.

So
caveat 1 - make image backup of current pc, in case you need to go back.
caveat 2 - backup all drivers
caveat 3 - try and get as complete a set of drivers for new pc.
caveat 4 - make sure you have all installation codes from things like MS Office. IF THESE ARE LOST, DO NOT CLEAN INSTALL.

The safest way to move OS to new device is to make a custom install.wim image of old installation, the inject drivers of new pc into install.wim, and create a custom installation usb. There are tutorials how to do this.

Clean installing should be a last resort. Done incorrectly can cause lots of grief.
 

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    ASUS Vivobook 14
    CPU
    I7
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    N/A
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Optane NVME SSD, 1 TB NVME SSD
    PSU
    Yep, got one
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois
    Keyboard
    Built in
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wired
    Internet Speed
    72 Mb/s :-(
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    Antivirus
    Defender
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Why do the New Camp followers always advise to nuke WITHOUT adding proper caveats.

I have lost count of number of times where a poster has clean installed, and found drivers are missing and in some cases pc will not see storage, connect to internet etc.

Also, people go to reinstall office (say) and realise they do not have installation codes.

So
caveat 1 - make image backup of current pc, in case you need to go back.
caveat 2 - backup all drivers
caveat 3 - try and get as complete a set of drivers for new pc.
caveat 4 - make sure you have all installation codes from things like MS Office. IF THESE ARE LOST, DO NOT CLEAN INSTALL.

The safest way to move OS to new device is to make a custom install.wim image of old installation, the inject drivers of new pc into install.wim, and create a custom installation usb. There are tutorials how to do this.

Clean installing should be a last resort. Done incorrectly can cause lots of grief.

I will respectfully but completely disagree with you on clean installing being the last resort. When it comes to hardware changes, I'm always going to advocate for a clean install (GPU change is the only exception, I don't think that is necessarily warranted in that case).

He is building a new PC. Why would you try to move that from the old PC to the new PC? If something does not work correctly when transferring, then he is down 2 machines simultaneously, unless he moves the old drive back to the old PC. And in that case, it's better to start clean with the new PC and keep the old PC itself as the backup until the new PC is up and running.
 
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    Windows 11 21H2 Current build
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    HomeBrew
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    AMD Ryzen 9 3950X
    Motherboard
    MSI MEG X570 GODLIKE
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    4 * 32 GB - Corsair Vengeance 3600 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 ULTRA GAMING (12G-P5-3955-KR)
    Sound Card
    Realtek® ALC1220 Codec
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Eve Spectrum ES07D03 4K Gaming Monitor (Matte finish) | Eve Spectrum ES07DC9 4K Gaming Monitor (Glossy finish)
    Screen Resolution
    4K x2
    Hard Drives
    3x Samsung 980 Pro NVMe PCIe 4 M.2 2 TB SSD (MZ-V8P2T0B/AM)
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling’s Silencer Series 1050 Watt, 80 Plus Platinum
    Case
    Fractal Design Define 7 XL Dark ATX Full Tower Case
    Cooling
    ZXT KRAKEN Z73 73.11 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (3x 120 mm push top) + Air 3x 140mm case fans (pull front) + 1x 120 mm (push back) and 1 x 120 mm (pull bottom)
    Keyboard
    SteelSeries Apex Pro Wired Gaming Keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3S
    Internet Speed
    AT&T LightSpeed Gigabit Duplex Ftth
    Browser
    Nightly (default) + Firefox (stable),Chrome, Edge/ß/Dev/Canary
    Antivirus
    Defender
  • Operating System
    CHromeOS Flex v108 Dev
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Latitude E5470
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6300U CPU @ 2.40GHz, 2501 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)
    Motherboard
    Dell
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel(R) HD Graphics 520
    Sound Card
    Intel(R) HD Graphics 520 + RealTek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell laptop display 15"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 * 1080
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba 128GB M.2 22300 drive
    INTEL Cherryvill 520 Series SSDSC2CW180A 180 GB SATA III SSD
    PSU
    Dell
    Case
    Dell
    Cooling
    Dell
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3S (shared w. Sys 1) | Dell TouchPad
    Keyboard
    Dell
    Internet Speed
    AT&T LightSpeed Gigabit Duplex Ftth

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I have lost count of number of times where a poster has clean installed, and found drivers are missing and in some cases pc will not see storage, connect to internet etc.

Sorry but this only happens because people "assume" Windows provides all drives for all devices - this is not true. Windows provides a base set of drivers "essential" to insuring certain device work at a basic level when detected. Example storage devices, keyboards, Mouse, monitors, and GPUs. Typically not included are soundcard drivers, since they're not deemed "essential" to getting the OS up and running.

Also, if a PC isn't seeing a storage drive during an install, its not the OS, but the drive or it's connection to the motherboard as it's the motherboard (BIOS) that actually detects all (hardware) storage device connected to it and thus allows an OS to see them.

BTW, I'd always suggest one check Device Manager immediately after a build to see check for any driver issues. They'll usually show as a yellow question mark for missing drivers, or a yellow exclamation mark for a problematic device (typically a problematic driver or hardware issue).

Anyway, at the end of the day If a person is going to build PC, they'd better know how to install drivers as that IS part of the package.

Peace :cool:
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 22H2 (Build 22621.900)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom built
    CPU
    Intel i9-9900K
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte Aorus Z390 Xtreme
    Memory
    32G (4x8) DDR4 Corsair RGB Dominator Platinum (3600Mhz)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon VII
    Sound Card
    Onboard (ESS Sabre HiFi using Realtek drivers)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    NEC PA242w (24 inch)
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1200
    Hard Drives
    5 Samsung SSD drives: 2X 970 NVME (512 & 1TB), 3X EVO SATA (2X 2TB, 1X 1TB)
    PSU
    EVGA Super Nova I000 P2 (1000 watt)
    Case
    Cooler Master H500M
    Cooling
    Corsair H115i RGB Platinum
    Keyboard
    Logitech Craft
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3
    Internet Speed
    500mb Download. 11mb Upload
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge Chromium
    Antivirus
    Windows Security
    Other Info
    System used for gaming, photography, audiophile media center, work.
  • Operating System
    Win 10 Pro 22H2 (build 19045.2130)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo ThinkPad Yoga X1
    CPU
    Intel i7-7600U
    Motherboard
    Intel
    Memory
    16igg
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel HD 620
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    14.0 WQHD OLED Touch
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1440
    Hard Drives
    1TB NVMe Drive (OEM)
    PSU
    laptop
    Case
    laptop
    Cooling
    Laptop cooling
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Anywhere 2S
    Keyboard
    Laptop
    Internet Speed
    100MB
    Browser
    Edge Chromium
    Antivirus
    Windows Security

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My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Skylake Special X299
    CPU
    Intel Core i9 9900X
    Motherboard
    Asus ROG Strix X299-E Gaming II
    Memory
    GSkill Trident Z RGB 32GB 3600 16-16-16-36 (F4-3600C16Q-32GTZR)
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA RTX 3080 12GB FTW3 Ultra Gaming (12G-P5-4877-KL)
    Sound Card
    Supreme FX
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus PG279Q
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1440 165Hz
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 980 Pro 500GB x2, Seagate Barracuda 4TB x2, Western Digital Black 4TB x1
    PSU
    EVGA 1200 P2, EVGA Black Custom Braided Cables
    Case
    Thermaltake View 31 Tempered Glass Limited Edition
    Cooling
    Corsair H115i, Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut
    Keyboard
    Logitech G910 Orion Spark
    Mouse
    Logitech G700s, Asus ROG GX860 Buzzard
    Internet Speed
    Verizon Fios Quantum Gateway 75/75
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender, Malwarebytes 4.5.2
    Other Info
    Thermaltake Riing Duo 14 x3, Thermaltake Riing Plus 14 x2, Corsair HS70 Pro Wireless Headset
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Skylake Special Z170
    CPU
    Intel Core i7 6700K
    Motherboard
    Asus Sabertooth Z170 Mark 1
    Memory
    GSkill Trident Z RGB 16GB 3600 16-16-16-36 (F4-3600C16D-16GTZR)
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA GTX 980 Ti SC x2, EVGA Pro SLI Bridge
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition
    Monitor(s) Displays
    AOC G2460PG
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080 144Hz
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 870 Evo 500GB, Seagate Barracuda 4TB x2
    PSU
    EVGA 1000 P2, EVGA White Custom Braided Cables
    Case
    Corsair Vengeance C70 Gunmetal Black
    Cooling
    Corsair H100i v2, Corsair ML120 x2, Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut
    Mouse
    Logitech G500s
    Keyboard
    Logitech G910 Orion Spectrum
    Internet Speed
    Verizon Fios Quantum Gateway 75/75
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender, Malwarebytes 4.5.2
    Other Info
    Corsair SP120 x4, LG Blu-ray Drive, Durabrand HT-395 100 Watt Dolby Digital Amp

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I will respectfully but completely disagree with you on clean installing being the last resort. When it comes to hardware changes, I'm always going to advocate for a clean install (GPU change is the only exception, I don't think that is necessarily warranted in that case).

He is building a new PC. Why would you try to move that from the old PC to the new PC? If something does not work correctly when transferring, then he is down 2 machines simultaneously, unless he moves the old drive back to the old PC. And in that case, it's better to start clean with the new PC and keep the old PC itself as the backup until the new PC is up and running.
Disagree as much as you like but in the end it is up to OP to decide what suits them.

It is bullshit to tell a guy to clean install without taking their needs into account.

Besides W10 is very good at transferring an existing OS to new pc. I have done it many times.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 Pro + others in VHDs
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Vivobook 14
    CPU
    I7
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    N/A
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Optane NVME SSD, 1 TB NVME SSD
    PSU
    Yep, got one
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois
    Keyboard
    Built in
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wired
    Internet Speed
    72 Mb/s :-(
    Browser
    Edge mostly
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0

Bree

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...in the end it is up to OP to decide what suits them.

It is bullshit to tell a guy to clean install without taking their needs into account.

Besides W10 is very good at transferring an existing OS to new pc. I have done it many times.
@rcferris did in fact ask in post #1 about the merits of transferring the OS from the old machine vs. a clean install. So opinions on either are a valid response to the question.

In the case of System One in my specs below I had software I needed to keep, some of which would be impossible to re-install. So I did transfer the W10 OS from the old machine and let Windows Update upgrade it to 11 once it was running on compatible hardware. That was transfering from an Intel based PC to one with an AMD chipset by the way, so transferring Windows certainly can cope with big hardware changes.

I have another compatible machine where I clean installed W11. To be honest there's nothing to choose between the two PCs, both work equally well and without any issues.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 Insider Beta as a native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 128GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    i5 M 520
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    4GB
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB HDD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 Insider Beta as a native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 128GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.
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