Phantom GPU usage and general high CPU and GPU usage on Windows


shaftofxistence

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Hi,

There is Phantom GPU usage and general high CPU and GPU usage on Windows (I can't see which process is making that because it disappears before I get to that)

especially compared to the slim tiny10 used for gaming and Linux

The Power wattage utilization and silence of the system on Linux are significantly better.

The laptop battery is drained very quick on Windows.

What should I do ?

Thank you.
 
Windows Build/Version
22631.2262

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    I will switch to Linux finally Debian and Arch
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    MSI
    CPU
    11th Gen i7 mobile with 20C difference between cores
    Motherboard
    it was specifically made by MSI with annoying thermal power and voltage limits I hate it.
    Memory
    DDR4 sodimm in CR1 - nice
    Graphics Card(s)
    3070 mobile max-q not as powerful as desktop 3070 sad
    Sound Card
    Bluetooth headphones Phillips-nice
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung QLED-nice
    Screen Resolution
    4k-very nice
    Hard Drives
    tons
    PSU
    Blew up
    Case
    Fractral Design
    Cooling
    liquid metal
    Keyboard
    Steelseeries and Razer-not as good as should be
    Mouse
    Razer 8k-maybe good for gaming in 23H2?
    Internet Speed
    500Mbps
    Browser
    Crashing
    Antivirus
    Lagging and constantly false positives thanks MS
  • Operating System
    always Problematic
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    cheap secondhand parts from the recycling bin
    CPU
    4c/8t i7 no OC sad
    Motherboard
    ASUS enterprise no auto OC sad
    Memory
    32G
    Graphics card(s)
    Nvidia 1070 no hdmi freesync sad
    Sound Card
    Realtek and zalman headphones-nice
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung 32inch VA panel FreeSync 4K-not as nice as should be-sad
    Screen Resolution
    4K--not as nice as should be-sad
    Hard Drives
    lots
    PSU
    new, defective but works
    Case
    Fractal Design-the sound dampening collects bad smells lol
    Cooling
    must delid and liquid metal asap even though its not OC cpu sad
    Mouse
    Razer 8K - more pain than gain
    Keyboard
    Razer 8Khz - horrible software
    Internet Speed
    600Mbps
    Browser
    Still not as good as should be
    Antivirus
    Annoying
    Other Info
    Should switch to Apple TBH
A process that uses overly high resources and disappears from Task list when viewed is quite probably a miner or other malware, the fact that Linux doesn't show the same behaviour really does suggest you have something malicious on your Windows system.
Try to find a self booting virus/ malware scanner so you can check the system without the potential malware detecting a scan and hiding, there are probably some scanners you could use referenced in the tutorials section of this and other forums.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 22H2, build: 22621.521
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Scan 3XS Custom 1700
    CPU
    Intel i7-12700K 3.6GHz Base (5.0GHz Turbo)
    Motherboard
    Asus ProArt Creator B660 D4
    Memory
    64GB DDR 3600Mhz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Asus Tuff RTX 3080 10GB OC
    Sound Card
    Onboard Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Gigabyte G32QC 32inch 16:9 curved @2560 x 1440p 165Hz Freesync Premium Pro/ Dell SE2422H 24inch 16:9 1920 x 1080p 75Hz Freesync
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1440p & 1920 x 1080p
    Hard Drives
    WD SN570 1TB NVME (Boot), Samsung 870QVO 1TB (SSD), SanDisk 3D Ultra 500Gb (SSD) x2, Seagate 3Tb Expansion Desk (Ext HDD), 2x Toshiba 1Tb P300 (Ext HDD)
    PSU
    Corsair RM1000X Modular
    Case
    Corsair 4000D Airflow Desktop
    Cooling
    Corsair Hydro H150i RGB Pro XT 360mm Liquid Cooler, 3 x 120mm fans, 1x Exhaust
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Ergonomic
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Internet Speed
    800Mbs
    Browser
    Edge Chromium
    Antivirus
    Defender, Malwarebytes
Some alternative suggestions here.

If your computer exhibits 'phantom' GPU/CPU usage, and you are unable to locate the process, then there are three things to try:
1. Check the Power Plan Setting.
2. Perform a Clean Boot to see if the computer's issue is cause by a Startup program.
3. (Temporarily) Switch Off Startup Boost in MS Edge.

See if any of the suggestions make a difference.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 5 5600
    Motherboard
    MSI B550-A Pro
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Sapphire Radeon RX 6500XT (8 GB version)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    BenQ Mobuiz EX2710Q QHD, Iiyama ProLite X23377HDS
    Hard Drives
    MSI Spatium M461 4TB
  • Operating System
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer A114
    CPU
    Intel Celeron N4020
It should be something Microsoft put in, if it were a crypto miner I would have noticed more load on the system.

The system is calculating something which seems have been (again) forced by Microsoft without consent of any kind.

So how to log what process is doing that and what dll, what function?

The OS build is "beta" build 23H2.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    I will switch to Linux finally Debian and Arch
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    MSI
    CPU
    11th Gen i7 mobile with 20C difference between cores
    Motherboard
    it was specifically made by MSI with annoying thermal power and voltage limits I hate it.
    Memory
    DDR4 sodimm in CR1 - nice
    Graphics Card(s)
    3070 mobile max-q not as powerful as desktop 3070 sad
    Sound Card
    Bluetooth headphones Phillips-nice
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung QLED-nice
    Screen Resolution
    4k-very nice
    Hard Drives
    tons
    PSU
    Blew up
    Case
    Fractral Design
    Cooling
    liquid metal
    Keyboard
    Steelseeries and Razer-not as good as should be
    Mouse
    Razer 8k-maybe good for gaming in 23H2?
    Internet Speed
    500Mbps
    Browser
    Crashing
    Antivirus
    Lagging and constantly false positives thanks MS
  • Operating System
    always Problematic
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    cheap secondhand parts from the recycling bin
    CPU
    4c/8t i7 no OC sad
    Motherboard
    ASUS enterprise no auto OC sad
    Memory
    32G
    Graphics card(s)
    Nvidia 1070 no hdmi freesync sad
    Sound Card
    Realtek and zalman headphones-nice
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung 32inch VA panel FreeSync 4K-not as nice as should be-sad
    Screen Resolution
    4K--not as nice as should be-sad
    Hard Drives
    lots
    PSU
    new, defective but works
    Case
    Fractal Design-the sound dampening collects bad smells lol
    Cooling
    must delid and liquid metal asap even though its not OC cpu sad
    Mouse
    Razer 8K - more pain than gain
    Keyboard
    Razer 8Khz - horrible software
    Internet Speed
    600Mbps
    Browser
    Still not as good as should be
    Antivirus
    Annoying
    Other Info
    Should switch to Apple TBH
If you want to nose dive in on the Microsoft shared libraries, then you could try Dependency Walker. Dependency Walker will show which functions are being called by other modules, but it is probably rather static for your requirement. If you had the app source code, you could also use the Visual Studio GPU Usage Tool to dynamically in real-time create a GPU Usage report of activity. But alas, with the GPU Usage Tool, you need the source code to work with.

 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 5 5600
    Motherboard
    MSI B550-A Pro
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Sapphire Radeon RX 6500XT (8 GB version)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    BenQ Mobuiz EX2710Q QHD, Iiyama ProLite X23377HDS
    Hard Drives
    MSI Spatium M461 4TB
  • Operating System
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer A114
    CPU
    Intel Celeron N4020
I had something similar last week. Mouse cursor was sluggy during startup and the counters in Taskmanager go crazy.

Wat helped was restarting Explorer in Taskmanager a few times. Strange ofcourse but everything seems normal now.

After the latest update thats gone.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro - 23H2 - Build 22635.3350
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    OMEN by HP Gaming Laptop 16
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-12700H CPU @ 2.30GHz
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070Ti (mobile)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    iiyama PL3467WQ
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440 + 3440x1440
    Hard Drives
    1TB SSD + 2TB SSD + 4TB Synology 218+ NAS
    Keyboard
    OMEN by HP 1100
    Mouse
    OMEN Vector Wireless
    Internet Speed
    1000/50 Mbit Cable
    Browser
    Edge (What Else)
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender + F-Secure
    Other Info
    Razer Nari Essential wireless headphone + BOSE Mini Soundlink
  • Operating System
    Windows Server 2025 - 24H2 - Build 26085.1
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Slim Desktop S01
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-10400 CPU @ 2.90GHz
    Memory
    16 GB
    Monitor(s) Displays
    iiyame PL2453MT - 24" dual touch screen
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD + 256GB SSD + 256GB SSD
    Mouse
    Logitech M235 wireless mouse
    Keyboard
    HP Wireless Keyboard
    Internet Speed
    1000/50 Mbit Cable
    Browser
    Edge (What Else)
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender + F-Secure + MalwareBytes free
I have removed some things with NTLite and the system is enjoyable again.

I have also found (With Task Manager) msedge.exe does the GPU usage because it engages vp9 decoding on Intel graphics.

When the video tab is not the current tab, the GPU usage disappears.

So it may be that msedge.exe first engages video decoding even if the video is not on screen, and only later, disengages it when it realizes that the video is not on screen.

A lot of modern UI elements engage the GPU and spike GPU usage, as tracked/shown in Task Manager. But then it subsides when there is no activity.

I didn't have to use advanced debug and tracing yet.

I notice Video drivers are being overstressed by video and other things, from MSedge which can lead to instability and screen flickering, especially when there are multiple video devices in the system (Nvidia 'Optimus' switching)

I have also noticed that Microsoft does not respect this load on the chips whcih leads to overheating and decreased performance.

So what Microsoft can do is improve the schedulers to be aware of these things to keep things nice and fresh.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    I will switch to Linux finally Debian and Arch
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    MSI
    CPU
    11th Gen i7 mobile with 20C difference between cores
    Motherboard
    it was specifically made by MSI with annoying thermal power and voltage limits I hate it.
    Memory
    DDR4 sodimm in CR1 - nice
    Graphics Card(s)
    3070 mobile max-q not as powerful as desktop 3070 sad
    Sound Card
    Bluetooth headphones Phillips-nice
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung QLED-nice
    Screen Resolution
    4k-very nice
    Hard Drives
    tons
    PSU
    Blew up
    Case
    Fractral Design
    Cooling
    liquid metal
    Keyboard
    Steelseeries and Razer-not as good as should be
    Mouse
    Razer 8k-maybe good for gaming in 23H2?
    Internet Speed
    500Mbps
    Browser
    Crashing
    Antivirus
    Lagging and constantly false positives thanks MS
  • Operating System
    always Problematic
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    cheap secondhand parts from the recycling bin
    CPU
    4c/8t i7 no OC sad
    Motherboard
    ASUS enterprise no auto OC sad
    Memory
    32G
    Graphics card(s)
    Nvidia 1070 no hdmi freesync sad
    Sound Card
    Realtek and zalman headphones-nice
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung 32inch VA panel FreeSync 4K-not as nice as should be-sad
    Screen Resolution
    4K--not as nice as should be-sad
    Hard Drives
    lots
    PSU
    new, defective but works
    Case
    Fractal Design-the sound dampening collects bad smells lol
    Cooling
    must delid and liquid metal asap even though its not OC cpu sad
    Mouse
    Razer 8K - more pain than gain
    Keyboard
    Razer 8Khz - horrible software
    Internet Speed
    600Mbps
    Browser
    Still not as good as should be
    Antivirus
    Annoying
    Other Info
    Should switch to Apple TBH
OK Now the problem is the following:

Viber is preventing the proper StandBy ofthe system and while the system is in some weird non-standby state, it gets hot.

I need to know exactly why, what process is doing exactly what, so I can attack blame and shame the guilty into oblivion.

It's not malware unless you call the OS malware and if the OS is doing it - it is a malware OS.

How to catch the processes that overheat the system during a bugged standby (connected?) standby state?
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    I will switch to Linux finally Debian and Arch
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    MSI
    CPU
    11th Gen i7 mobile with 20C difference between cores
    Motherboard
    it was specifically made by MSI with annoying thermal power and voltage limits I hate it.
    Memory
    DDR4 sodimm in CR1 - nice
    Graphics Card(s)
    3070 mobile max-q not as powerful as desktop 3070 sad
    Sound Card
    Bluetooth headphones Phillips-nice
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung QLED-nice
    Screen Resolution
    4k-very nice
    Hard Drives
    tons
    PSU
    Blew up
    Case
    Fractral Design
    Cooling
    liquid metal
    Keyboard
    Steelseeries and Razer-not as good as should be
    Mouse
    Razer 8k-maybe good for gaming in 23H2?
    Internet Speed
    500Mbps
    Browser
    Crashing
    Antivirus
    Lagging and constantly false positives thanks MS
  • Operating System
    always Problematic
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    cheap secondhand parts from the recycling bin
    CPU
    4c/8t i7 no OC sad
    Motherboard
    ASUS enterprise no auto OC sad
    Memory
    32G
    Graphics card(s)
    Nvidia 1070 no hdmi freesync sad
    Sound Card
    Realtek and zalman headphones-nice
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung 32inch VA panel FreeSync 4K-not as nice as should be-sad
    Screen Resolution
    4K--not as nice as should be-sad
    Hard Drives
    lots
    PSU
    new, defective but works
    Case
    Fractal Design-the sound dampening collects bad smells lol
    Cooling
    must delid and liquid metal asap even though its not OC cpu sad
    Mouse
    Razer 8K - more pain than gain
    Keyboard
    Razer 8Khz - horrible software
    Internet Speed
    600Mbps
    Browser
    Still not as good as should be
    Antivirus
    Annoying
    Other Info
    Should switch to Apple TBH

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