Problems using the Back up and Restore (Windows 7) feature in Windows 11


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Thanks for any replies here about imaging software and my experience using Window's built in feature.
Hi @scott784
I use exclusively W7 Backup for over 10 years now with 3 generations laptops to make monthly my image files, backups and to restore systems. W7, W10 and now Windows11 with a Core i7 10th gen processor. never ever had issues or errors, also often use W7 Backup to find personal files that were backed up from my older laptops (Vista, W7, W10). You are doing something wrong, a bad drive or have a bad system file.
 

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I use exclusively W7 Backup for over 10 years now with 3 generations laptops to make monthly my image files, backups and to restore systems. W7, W10 and now Windows11....
While the files part of 'Backup & Restore (Windows 7)' wasn't explicitly mentioned, the System Image Backup part was deprecated by Microsoft four and a half years ago. They told us then to stop using it and switch to a 3rd-party solution. For me that was Macrium Reflect Free.

Microsoft said:
System Image Backup (SIB) Solution
We recommend that users use full-disk backup solutions from other vendors.
 

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    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 RTM as a native boot vhdx.
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    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 RTM as a native boot vhdx.

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While the files part of 'Backup & Restore (Windows 7)' wasn't explicitly mentioned, the System Image Backup part was deprecated by Microsoft four and a half years ago. They told us then to stop using it and switch to a 3rd-party solution. For me that was Macrium Reflect Free.


Hi Bree
I know the story is posted ad nauseam on many tech forums by the Macrium buffs but I have no problems with W7 Backup & Restore and will continue using it. If the program is that bad why has Microsoft it still in Windows 11 (their flagship OS)??
 

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I have no problems with W7 Backup & Restore and will continue using it. If the program is that bad why has Microsoft it still in Windows 11 (their flagship OS)??
It is still included purely so that you can still restore files from any older backups you may have.

I am very familiar with it's system imaging too I used it extensively before switching. I am also very familiar with all it's little quirks.

When it works it's OK, but it is temperamental and easily broken. The most common error is the dreaded "Windows cannot find a system image on this computer" message just when you need it the most. Google that message and you'll find many examples, here is just one of them....

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us...em-image/41342a6f-ece5-46e1-a4fc-b0b3e1cfb290
 

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    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
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    8GB
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    Radeon Graphics
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    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
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    Edge, Firefox
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    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 RTM as a native boot vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
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    Dell Lattitude E4310
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    i5 M 520
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    0T6M8G
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    500GB HDD
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    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 RTM as a native boot vhdx.

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Plug in your drive, open Macrium - other tasks - create rescue media and the option to place it on your drive will be there
Another approach is to create an iso, mount it as drive and copy files to CD using OPs preferred method of copying files to a CD.

This is how I used to do it when I lived in Bedrock (same street as Fred).

Nowadays I would always use a usb drive.
 

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Hi Bree
I know the story is posted ad nauseam on many tech forums by the Macrium buffs but I have no problems with W7 Backup & Restore and will continue using it. If the program is that bad why has Microsoft it still in Windows 11 (their flagship OS)??
Hi Bree
I know the story is posted ad nauseam on many tech forums by the Macrium buffs but I have no problems with W7 Backup & Restore and will continue using it. If the program is that bad why has Microsoft it still in Windows 11 (their flagship OS)??
If it works for you, fine.

However, a more salient point is you increase backup reliability if you create two independent backups from different sources.

I found Macrium Reflect to be far more reliable than W7 method, but even then I make a backup with AOMEI now and then as insurance.

My point is it does not have to be an either/or decision.

In simple terms "Do not put all your eggs in one basket" is always sound advice.
 

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Is this old hoary chestnut still doing the rounds. Just use whatever works for you - but DO take backup and regularly test that restores actually work too.

Just because a Backup gives a note that it's completed without error doesn't mean that restore will always work flawlessly too -- so always have more than one set of media for critical and important stuff.

For smallish stuff - especially "archive type material" that doesn't change much storing it on the cloud is safe and reliable these days if you chose a decent Cloud provider - reasonably cheap too.

Both Ms and Google have decent amounts of reliable, secure cloud storage available at roughly similar costs and those who are on Office/365 get a decent amount free.

I pay around 1.50 EUR a month for One Drive stand alone price - 100GB - well worth it for what I use it for. I don't have Office 365 but Office LTSC 2021 so not eligible for the plans included with Office/365 which if you have that product seem very reasonable. I have really fast full fibre internet and as my main Windows OS is only around 28 GB when imaged with macrium storing it on the cloud is just fine for me. I know it won't get lost or overwritten if I need it.

Cheers
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I've been using Macrium Reflect since I posted this thread in May. It's very easy to use, and just works! I would highly recommend Macrium Reflect to others. Of course, as cereberus said, best to also have another backup method as well. And Cloud storage is good these days.
 

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In this video, i will guide you on how to create and restore an image backup of Windows operating system.

 

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I did a couple of walkthrough posts with screenshots showing wbadmin restore years ago. Can t remember exactly where those posts are , sevenforums and eightforums probably.

I might still have the pics . MS have added daily scheduling option to wbadmin in win11.

It goes something like this from winpe:

X:\Users\Default>wbadmin.exe GET VERSIONS -backuptarget:N:


The times of the backups displayed are based on the time zone of the current
operating system that you are using.
The time zone being used is (GMT -00:00) GMT Standard Time.
Backup time: 12/28/2013 9:40 PM
Backup target: Fixed Disk labeled linux(L: ):)
Version identifier: 12/28/2013-21:40
Can recover: Volume(s), File(s), Application(s), Bare Metal Recovery
Snapshot ID: {7355ad13-3bee-4d43-a9e3-256cc36ea2fa}


X:\Users\Default>wbadmin.exe GET ITEMS -version:12/28/2013-21:40 -backuptarget:N:


Volume ID = {5a9f2e3a-5666-11e3-9a0f-806e6f6e6963}
Volume '350mb', mounted at Z: at the time the backup was created
Volume size = 350.00 MB
Can recover = Full volume

Volume ID = {29fd7507-7002-11e3-88cb-806e6f6e6963}
Volume 'Win7x64', mounted at C: at the time the backup was created
Volume size = 39.93 GB
Can recover = Full volume

Application = Registry
Component = Registry (\Registry)


X:\Users\Default>WBADMIN START RECOVERY -version:12/28/2013-21:40 -itemType:Volume -items:c: -backuptarget:N:
-recoverytarget:H:

Retrieving volume information...
You have chosen to recover volume(s) c:
from the backup created on 12/28/2013 9:40 PM to a different location, H:.
Warning: You have chosen to recover a full volume. This will delete any
existing data on the volume you recover to, even if the operation is canceled
or fails. Before you continue, make sure that this volume does not contain
and data that you might want in the future.

Do you want to continue?
[Y] Yes [N] No
 
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It is still included purely so that you can still restore files from any older backups you may have.

I am very familiar with it's system imaging too I used it extensively before switching. I am also very familiar with all it's little quirks.

When it works it's OK, but it is temperamental and easily broken. The most common error is the dreaded "Windows cannot find a system image on this computer" message just when you need it the most. Google that message and you'll find many examples, here is just one of them....

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us...em-image/41342a6f-ece5-46e1-a4fc-b0b3e1cfb290
Hi Bree,

Likewise I can also share “horror” stories about non-Windows Backup software, plenty posted......

My qualms with 3rd party BU software stems from 2018 when Windows10 still had these pesky VSS issues also with external BU apps that was (partly) fixed in 2019. I bought an external 4 TB HDD in 2018: Seagate Backup Plus, that was pre-loaded with (free) Macrium reflect. Issues I had with Seagate’s Dashboard, Marcrium Reflect and Windows10 were unsurmountable to the point of crashing and losing some data (backed up). When I complained to Macrium Reflect I was told that as a non-premium user I was not entitled to any support! I then reformatted the Seagate external drive, restored my Windows10 OS, reinstalled lost apps and files from CD and previous W7 backups and vowed never to touch 3rd party backup software again.
 

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    Acer/Aspire5 515-54G-70AG
    CPU
    Intel i7-10510U CPU 1.8 GHZ
    Motherboard
    Intel Comet Lake-U PCH-LP Premium
    Memory
    8 GB 1333.3 MHz Dual channel
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel UHD + NVIDIA GeForce MX250
    Sound Card
    RealTek ALC255 chipset
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    Full HD TN 16"
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    1920x1080 220 NITS
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Hi Bree,

Likewise I can also share “horror” stories about non-Windows Backup software, plenty posted......

My qualms with 3rd party BU software stems from 2018 when Windows10 still had these pesky VSS issues also with external BU apps that was (partly) fixed in 2019. I bought an external 4 TB HDD in 2018: Seagate Backup Plus, that was pre-loaded with (free) Macrium reflect. Issues I had with Seagate’s Dashboard, Marcrium Reflect and Windows10 were unsurmountable to the point of crashing and losing some data (backed up). When I complained to Macrium Reflect I was told that as a non-premium user I was not entitled to any support! I then reformatted the Seagate external drive, restored my Windows10 OS, reinstalled lost apps and files from CD and previous W7 backups and vowed never to touch 3rd party backup software again.
So, if at first, you don't succeed - give up?

You are blaming 3rd party apps on Windows issues.

There are loads of backup tools - AOMEI, Easeus, Acronis, Paragon.

Backup tools are only as reliable to the reliability of the underlying installation.
 

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    ASUS Vivobook 14
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    I7
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    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
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    N/A
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    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Optane NVME SSD, 1 TB NVME SSD
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    Stella Artois
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So, if at first, you don't succeed - give up?

You are blaming 3rd party apps on Windows issues.

There are loads of backup tools - AOMEI, Easeus, Acronis, Paragon.

Backup tools are only as reliable to the reliability of the underlying installation.
No, I am just not using 3rd party software for anything, not for AV (use MS Defender), not for File Explorer, not for Cleaner (use Storage Sense), use only Edge, Office and Acrobat, don't use add-ins, never force updates (just wait till it arrives), never touch BIOS or delete Windows system flles, never been an Insider, never tinker with my drivers or Windows Services/Task Scheduler/Registry and use W7 Backup. I have Vista, W7 and W10 still on my previous laptops to run an old program, to test Outlook/Yahoo or browse old files and e-mails, would not dream using Linux/Ubuntu or Dual Boot, love Windows 11, never crash or freeze/hang my system. The only thing I do sometimes is stopping some Event channels in the Registry for Event errors that annoy me. I don't want a SSD (use Fast Startup) happy with my 1TB Seagate HDD. I have very little issues with Windows, no more than reported by other OS users. But I have done many of these things in the past and learned a lot from it, I am also not a gamer or write code just the average Windows user.
 

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    RealTek ALC255 chipset
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My qualms with 3rd party BU software stems from 2018 when Windows10 still had these pesky VSS issues also with external BU apps that was (partly) fixed in 2019.
Backup & Restore (Windows 7) requires VSS to be functional too. If you have VSS issues then you will have problems backing up. Any system imaging of a running Windows OS requires VSS, whether it's MS or 3rd party imaging software.

I have literally lost count of the number of system images I have made and, more importantly, restored. I currently have eight machines, all of which are imaged regularly, and most of which have been restored from time to time.

The most frequently imaged/restored is my test machine, System Two in my Ten Forums specs. That machine has images for all versions of W10, from 1507 up to 21H2, plus Windows 7. Whenever I need to support version-specific questions over on Ten Forums I will restore the appropriate version. In addition, routinely every Patch Tuesday each of the currently supported versions is restored, updated, then imaged. In all, across all my machines the number of restores I have done must be well into three figures by now.

From 2015 to 2018 I used Backup & Restore for that. From 2019 to the present I have used Macrium Reflect (Free initially, a few years back I bought Home licences for my main machines in their Black Friday sale).

So I can say that I do have in depth experience of using both. It had always been a struggle to keep Backup & Restore working reliably. In my experience it's temperamental/fragile, at best. I cannot recall ever having had a failure with Macrium Reflect.
 

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    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 RTM as a native boot vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    i5 M 520
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    4GB
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB HDD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 RTM as a native boot vhdx.

SIW2

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Any system imaging of a running Windows OS requires VSS, whether it's MS or 3rd party imaging software.
No, some have their own snapshot drivers.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win7
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    i5-8400
    Motherboard
    ga b75m ds3h
    Memory
    2x8gb 3200mhz
    Graphics Card(s)
    no thanks
    Hard Drives
    yes
    PSU
    bequiet pure power 11 400CM
    Case
    some old thing
    Cooling
    cryorig m9i

cereberus

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No, some have their own snapshot drivers.
True but most do use VSS.

AOMEI allows either iirc.

Of course, if you backup from winpe mode, snapshot drivers are not needed at all.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 Pro + others in VHDs
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Vivobook 14
    CPU
    I7
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    N/A
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Optane NVME SSD, 1 TB NVME SSD
    PSU
    Yep, got one
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois
    Keyboard
    Built in
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wired
    Internet Speed
    72 Mb/s :-(
    Browser
    Edge mostly
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0

FrankW

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I am not knocking Macrium or other BU software on the market other than Seagate's Dashboard 2018 (that was a disaster). But I find it a bit hollow that some posters on this largest (and best) Windows forum are plugging 3rd party apps (while bashing windows). IMHO if you have a Windows 11 PC (factory configuration) connected with W11 compatible devices you don't need any 3rd party software to use Windows 11 to its fullest extent (excluding gaming, technical or customized applications) and BTW VSS is working fine in Windows 11; as I stated before I never had issues with W7 Backup & Restore but had almost no need to restore from external image files either: I just used the internal System Restore app in Windows 10 a few times between 2015-2018 after editing the Registry, installing bad software or deleting a system file. When MS decides to discontinue W7 BU & Restore in Windows I may well buy a trusted BU licence like Macrium Reflect or use the Cloud like Apple is doing to backup and restore.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 21H2 build 22000.1042
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer/Aspire5 515-54G-70AG
    CPU
    Intel i7-10510U CPU 1.8 GHZ
    Motherboard
    Intel Comet Lake-U PCH-LP Premium
    Memory
    8 GB 1333.3 MHz Dual channel
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel UHD + NVIDIA GeForce MX250
    Sound Card
    RealTek ALC255 chipset
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Full HD TN 16"
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080 220 NITS
    Hard Drives
    SATA mechanical 1TB
    Case
    plastic with metal panel lid
    Cooling
    1 fan
    Mouse
    Precision Trackpad
    Internet Speed
    15 mb/s
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    2022 Intel diplay driver: gfx_win_101.3413_101.2111.exe

NavyLCDR

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I am not knocking Macrium or other BU software on the market other than Seagate's Dashboard 2018 (that was a disaster). But I find it a bit hollow that some posters on this largest (and best) Windows forum are plugging 3rd party apps (while bashing windows). IMHO if you have a Windows 11 PC (factory configuration) connected with W11 compatible devices you don't need any 3rd party software to use Windows 11 to its fullest extent (excluding gaming, technical or customized applications) and BTW VSS is working fine in Windows 11; as I stated before I never had issues with W7 Backup & Restore but had almost no need to restore from external image files either: I just used the internal System Restore app in Windows 10 a few times between 2015-2018 after editing the Registry, installing bad software or deleting a system file. When MS decides to discontinue W7 BU & Restore in Windows I may well buy a trusted BU licence like Macrium Reflect or use the Cloud like Apple is doing to backup and restore.
Since Microsoft recommends using a third party for system images, backup and restore, why would I not follow Microsoft's advice?
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Homebuilt
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3800XT
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Crosshair VII Hero (WiFi)
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Education
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Inspiron 7773
    CPU
    Intel i7-8550U
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Nvidia Geforce MX150
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba 512GB NVMe SSD
    SK Hynix 512GB SATA SSD
    Internet Speed
    Fast!

FrankW

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Since Microsoft recommends using a third party for system images, backup and restore, why would I not follow Microsoft's advice?
Believe that is a rhetorical question? Similar recommendations were made for anti-spyware, AV, Media Player, encryption and VPN software that does not mean that the average windows user has to follow all that.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 21H2 build 22000.1042
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer/Aspire5 515-54G-70AG
    CPU
    Intel i7-10510U CPU 1.8 GHZ
    Motherboard
    Intel Comet Lake-U PCH-LP Premium
    Memory
    8 GB 1333.3 MHz Dual channel
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel UHD + NVIDIA GeForce MX250
    Sound Card
    RealTek ALC255 chipset
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Full HD TN 16"
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080 220 NITS
    Hard Drives
    SATA mechanical 1TB
    Case
    plastic with metal panel lid
    Cooling
    1 fan
    Mouse
    Precision Trackpad
    Internet Speed
    15 mb/s
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    2022 Intel diplay driver: gfx_win_101.3413_101.2111.exe

Bree

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I find it a bit hollow that some posters on this largest (and best) Windows forum are plugging 3rd party apps (while bashing windows).

Similar recommendations were made for anti-spyware, AV, Media Player, encryption and VPN software that does not mean that the average windows user has to follow all that.
Who's bashing Microsoft? We are just following Microsoft's own recommendation, first announced in 2017. Surely you'd agree the average user should follow Microsoft's recommendations?

FeatureDetails and mitigationDeprecation announced
System Image Backup (SIB) SolutionWe recommend that users use full-disk backup solutions from other vendors.1709

As far as I'm aware Microsoft have not recommended any third party anti-spyware, AV, Media Player, encryption or VPN.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 RTM as a native boot vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    i5 M 520
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    4GB
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB HDD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 RTM as a native boot vhdx.
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