Solved Seeking advice re: best, easiest way to move everything from old Win 10 to new Win 11 PC


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I am planning to replace an old Win 10 Pro PC with a new Win 11 Pro PC (OOTB). Both computers are AIO (All In One) desktops. The computers are not connected by any kind of network. I do not use any kind of cloud backup (and don't want to). And I want to do it using only local accounts.

--I have heard about PC transfer/data migration software, which supposedly takes basically everything from the old computer (files, apps, settings, etc) and moves them all to the new one. Is this true? If so, what's a good one?

--I have also heard this can be done with some types of drive image creation software. True?

--Any other ideas would be helpful as well.

Thanks!
 
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Hello, :alien:

You might also check out if using the Windows Backup app to transfer your PC like in the tutorial below may work for your situation.

It does require both to use an internet connection though.

 

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    Surface Laptop 7 Copilot+ PC
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    1 TB SSD
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    Chrome and Edge
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    Microsoft Defender
If I buy a brand new computer, I don't want all the junk that has accumulated over the years in my old one to move over to my new one. I backup my personal files from my old one(you can copy & paste files/folders to an external drive.) I On my new one, I install just the apps I use (not the stuff I don't), copy my files from the external drive into my new user account folders and move on fresh and clean. There are several things I don't believe in when it come to my computer....shortcutting and having a lot of junk.
 

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    Dell Optiplex 7080
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    i9-10900 10 core 20 threads
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    DELL 0J37VM
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    so slow I'm too embarrassed to tell
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    #1 Edge #2 Firefox
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    Windows 11 Pro 24H2 26200.8875
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    PC/Desktop
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    Beelink Mini PC SER5
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    AMD Ryzen 7 6800U
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    32 gb
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    integrated
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    integrated
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    Benq 27
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    2560x1440
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    1TB Crucial nvme
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    Logitech wired
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    still too embarrassed to tell
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    Defender
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    System 3 is non compliant Dell 9020 i7-4770/24gb ram Win11 PRO 26200.8875
You didn't mentioned what kind of computers (Laptop or desktop) you have and what are the specs of them (old and new).

There are many ways to do it.
- If the old computer main drive is EFI - GPT, on the new computer generate all drivers backup and a main drive image backup.
Then the easiest way is to take the old computer drive and install on the new computer and then clone the old computer drive on the new computer drive. Remove the old drive and then let it upgrade to Win 11. I don't like this method as glasskuter already said, you transfer all trash from old computer to the new one.

- I agree with glasskuter that a new computer deserve a fresh install. If the new computer has no OS do a Win 11 Clean install as EFI - GPT. If it already came with Win 11 keep it. Take the old computer drive and install on the new computer and then copy the old computer data files to the new computer drive. Remove the old drive and then install the programs and applications you wish to have.
 

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    Windows 11 Pro - Windows 7 HP 64 - Lubuntui5 6600K - 800MHz to 4400MHz4+4G GSkill DDR4 3000IG - Intel 530
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    Windows 11 Pro - Windows 7 HP 64 - Lubuntu
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    custom build
    CPU
    i5 6600K - 800MHz to 4400MHz
    Motherboard
    GA-Z170-HD3P
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    4+4G GSkill DDR4 3000
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    IG - Intel 530
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    Samsung 226BW
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    1680x1050
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    (1) -1 SM951 – 128GB M.2 AHCI PCIe SSD drive for Win 11
    (2) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for Data
    (3) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for backup
    (4) -1 BX500 SSD - 256G for Windows 7 and Lubuntu
    PSU
    Thermaltake 450W TR2 gold
    Keyboard
    Old and good Chicony mechanical keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech mX performance - 9 buttons (had to disable some)
    Internet Speed
    500 Mb/s
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    Firefox 64
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    Windows 11 Proi7-4500U 800- 3000MHz(4+4)G DDR3 1600IG intel 4400 + NVIDIA GeForce GT 745M
    Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus Q550LF
    CPU
    i7-4500U 800- 3000MHz
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    Asus Q550LF
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    (4+4)G DDR3 1600
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    IG intel 4400 + NVIDIA GeForce GT 745M
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    Realtek
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    LG Display LP156WF4-SPH1
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    BX500 120G SSD for Windows and programs
    & 1T HDD for data
    Internet Speed
    500 Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox 64
If I buy a brand new computer, I don't want all the junk that has accumulated over the years in my old one to move over to my new one. I backup my personal files from my old one(you can copy & paste files/folders to an external drive.) I On my new one, I install just the apps I use (not the stuff I don't), copy my files from the external drive into my new user account folders and move on fresh and clean. There are several things I don't believe in when it come to my computer....shortcutting and having a lot of junk.
Absolutely agree!

The only difference here is that I'm a Microsoft 365 subscriber. The moment I log in to my new computer all my data and photos are instantly there in my 1TB of OneDrive and the latest Microsoft Office is there ready to work.
 

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    Windows 11 Pro
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    Dell XPS 16 DA16260
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    Intel Series 3 Core Ultra X9 388H
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    64GB LPDDR5x 9600 MT/s
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    16" 3.2K Tandem OLED Infinity Edge
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    3200 x 2000 16:10 236 PPI
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    1 Terabyte M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD
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    Black Anodized Aluminum
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    Vapor Chamber Cooling
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    None
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    942 Mbps Netgear Mesh + 2 Satellites
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    Microsoft Edge (Chromium)
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    Windows Security (Defender)
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    Microsoft Visual Studio
    Microsoft Visual Studio Code
    Microsoft Sysinternals Suite
    Microsoft BitLocker
    Microsoft Copilot
    Dell Support Assist
    Dell Command | Update
    Macrium Reflect X subscription
    1Password Password Manager
    Amazon Kindle for PC
    Lightroom/Photoshop subscription
    Interactive Brokers Trader Workstation
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    Microsoft Surface Laptop 7
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    Snapdragon® X Elite (12 Core) with Hexagon NPU delivering 45 TOPS
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    32GB LPDDR5x 8448 MT/s
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    13.8″ PixelSense Flow touchscreen 120 Hz 600 NIT
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    2304 × 1536 (201 PPI), 3:2 aspect ratio
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    1 TB PCIe NVMe Gen 4 SSD
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    Black Anodized Aluminum
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    Vapor Chamber Cooling
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    None
    Internet Speed
    942 Mbps Netgear Mesh + 2 Satellites
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge (Chromium)
    Antivirus
    Windows Security (Defender)
    Other Info
    Microsoft 365 subscription (Office)
    Microsoft Office 365
    Microsoft OneDrive 1TB Cloud
    Microsoft Visual Studio 2026
    Microsoft Visual Studio Code
    Interactive Brokers Trader Workstation
    Lightroom/Photoshop subscription
    1Password Password Manager
    Microsoft Sysinternals
    Amazon Kindle for PC
    Microsoft BitLocker
    Microsoft Copilot
I also agree with @glasskuter leave the dust bunnies on the Win 10 computer.

1st thing I do is use REVO Uninstaller free, to remove all the Microsoft bloat.
Then install the things I want and tweak as necessary.
Then make a fresh backup.

What is bloat and what isn't is a personal choice. This is usually what I remove....

00000 REVO Junk Removal.webp



Here's some other things that you may find useful...



 

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    Win 11 Home ♦♦♦26200.8875 ♦♦♦♦♦♦♦25H2
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    PC/Desktop
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    Built by Ghot® [May 2020]
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    AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
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    Asus Pro WS X570-ACE (BIOS 5302)
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    G.Skill (F4-3200C14D-16GTZKW)
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    EVGA RTX 2070 (08G-P4-2171-KR)
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    Realtek ALC1220P / ALC S1220A
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    Dell U3011 30"
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    2560 x 1600
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    2x Samsung 860 EVO 500GB,
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    PC Power & Cooling 750W Quad EPS12V
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    Cooler Master ATCS 840 Tower
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    CM Hyper 212 EVO (push/pull)
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    Ducky DK9008 Shine II Blue LED
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    Logitech Optical M-100
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    Bitdefender Total Security
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    AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ (OC'd @ 3.2Ghz)
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    ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wireless Edition
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    ViewSonic G90FB Black 19" Professional (CRT)
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    PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad EPS12V
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    Generic Beige case, 80mm fans
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    ZALMAN 9500A 92mm CPU Cooler
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    Logitech Classic Keybooard 200
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    Symantec (Norton)
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    Still assembled, still runs. Haven't turned it on for 15 years?
--I have also heard this can be done with some types of drive image creation software. True?
That is true.

While everyone else has praised the virtues of a clean install, then copying over all your user data (certainly the cleanest approach) there can be an argument for the opposite case, a warts and all migration of the original machine's OS drive to the new one.

In my case the overriding argument was that I wanted to keep the installed MS Office Starter 2010, a free version of MS Office that was only available on OEM Windows 7 machines, and cannot be reinstalled - not even on Windows 7 (only OEMs could do that) and certainly not on Windows 10/11 where its install would be blocked by the OS.

So, for a long time my 'main machine' was a Win7 laptop (Legacy BIOS and MBR disk) that had taken the free upgrade to Windows 10 when it was first released. With the approach of Windows 11 I wanted to upgrade to a UEFI/GPT W11-compliant laptop as my 'main machine', but I also wanted to continue using all installed software I already had. I would also have to convert from a Legacy/MBR install to a UEFI/GPT one in order to be offered the upgrade to Windows 11. The answer was to use Macrium Reflect Free to image the old machine and restore to the new one.

I used Reflect to restore the C: partition from a system image of my old Legacy/MBR machine to replace the C: partition of a clean install of the same version of Win10 on a new UEFI/GPT machine. Then used the Reflect recovery usb's 'fix Windows boot problems' option to rebuild the BCD. The end result was a transfer of my complete system to a new machine, not just my user files but all my installed software and configurations.

I have effectively got exactly the same PC as I had before, just with every part of its hardware upgraded.
Onboarding to Windows 11 is easy - post #8

In the process I had also moved from an Intel-based machine to an AMD-based one. Windows happily sorted out all the new drivers required for basic functionality, then when on the internet Windows Update upgraded a few more.

Yes, a lot of unnecessary OEM crud came over with the OS, in particular some Toshiba OEM utilities than were about as useful as a chocolate teapot on the new Acer hardware. But Revo Uninstaller cleaned up most of that, and DriverStoreExplorer dealt with the rest. The Acer (System One below) then became my 'main machine' for the next 5 years until its lid hinges started to give way. I've not found it to be any different from any of my other machines with their clean installs. Cumulative and Feature updates have installed cleanly and it's been as responsive as a clean install would have been.

Now that the Acer had started to fall apart I had no hesitation in migrating the OS for a second time to its current hardware, my System Seven below. An easier migration this time as they are both UEFI/GPT machines (and going back from AMD to Intel hardware in the process).
 

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    Windows 11 HomeAMD Athlon Silver 3050U8GBRadeon Graphics
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    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23-R9VY
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD (from April 2026: 250GB EVO 850)
    Internet Speed
    150 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October 2021 it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update, 24H2 on 3rd October 2024 through Windows Update by setting the Target Release Version for 24H2, and 25H2 on 30th September 2025 through Windows Update by setting the Target Release Version for 25H2.

    UPDATE - 11 April 2026: due to mechanical deterioration this PC has been retired from active duty. The OS with all software and files has been migrated to my System Seven in 'Other systems' to carry on as my general purpose 'main machine'.

    I've now clean installed 25H2 and used Garlin's scripts to update Secure Boot to CA 2023 and revoke the PCA 2011 certificates. It's new role is to test secure boot issues.
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    Windows 11 ProIntel® Core™ i5-520M8GB(integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
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    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Latitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround.

    In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround.
    Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package.
    In-place upgrade to 24H2 using hybrid 23H2/24H2 install media.
    Upgraded to 25H2 by Enablement Package.

    Also running Insider Dev, and Canary builds and Windows 10 as native boot .vhdx.
  • My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 1TB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds (and a few others) as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM SIX is a Dell Latitude 5550, Core Ultra 7 165H, 64GB RAM, 1TB NVMe SSD, supported device, Windows 11 Pro 24H2, Hyper-V host machine. Updated to 25H2 on 30th September 2025.

    My SYSTEM SEVEN is a Lenovo Thinkpad T580, Intel Core i7-8650U, 16GB RAM, 512GB NVMe SSD + 2nd 512GB NVMe SSD, a supported device for Windows 11. This is my current general purpose 'main machine'. The installed Windows 11 Home from my System One has been migrated to this machine.
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The only difference here is that I'm a Microsoft 365 subscriber. The moment I log in to my new computer all my data and photos are instantly there in my 1TB of OneDrive and the latest Microsoft Office is there ready to work.
Really?? I didn't know that. Why haven't you told us before? (Just bee essing you Gary.) Luv ya and your OD bunches. :cool:;-)
 

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    Windows 11 Pro 25H2 26200.8875i9-10900 10 core 20 threads32 gbnone-Intel UHD Graphics 630
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro 25H2 26200.8875
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Optiplex 7080
    CPU
    i9-10900 10 core 20 threads
    Motherboard
    DELL 0J37VM
    Memory
    32 gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    none-Intel UHD Graphics 630
    Sound Card
    Integrated Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Benq 27
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    2x1tb Solidigm m.2 nvme /External drives 512gb Samsung m.2 sata+2tb Kingston m2.nvme
    PSU
    500w
    Case
    MT
    Cooling
    Dell Premium
    Keyboard
    Logitech wired
    Mouse
    Logitech wireless
    Internet Speed
    so slow I'm too embarrassed to tell
    Browser
    #1 Edge #2 Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender+MWB Premium
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    Windows 11 Pro 24H2 26200.8875AMD Ryzen 7 6800U32 gbintegrated
    Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 24H2 26200.8875
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Beelink Mini PC SER5
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 6800U
    Memory
    32 gb
    Graphics card(s)
    integrated
    Sound Card
    integrated
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Benq 27
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    1TB Crucial nvme
    Keyboard
    Logitech wired
    Mouse
    Logitech wireless
    Internet Speed
    still too embarrassed to tell
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    System 3 is non compliant Dell 9020 i7-4770/24gb ram Win11 PRO 26200.8875
Really?? I didn't know that. Why haven't you told us before? (Just bee essing you Gary.) Luv ya and your OD bunches. :cool:;-)
You've heard that before? :wink: I thought I'd make the comment just in case a thread reader might not know. :cool:
 

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    Windows 11 ProIntel Series 3 Core Ultra X9 388H64GB LPDDR5x 9600 MT/sIntel Arc graphics B390 Panther Lake
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell XPS 16 DA16260
    CPU
    Intel Series 3 Core Ultra X9 388H
    Memory
    64GB LPDDR5x 9600 MT/s
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Arc graphics B390 Panther Lake
    Monitor(s) Displays
    16" 3.2K Tandem OLED Infinity Edge
    Screen Resolution
    3200 x 2000 16:10 236 PPI
    Hard Drives
    1 Terabyte M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD
    Case
    Black Anodized Aluminum
    Cooling
    Vapor Chamber Cooling
    Mouse
    None
    Internet Speed
    942 Mbps Netgear Mesh + 2 Satellites
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge (Chromium)
    Antivirus
    Windows Security (Defender)
    Other Info
    NPU delivering 67 TOPS
    Microsoft 365 subscription
    Microsoft Office 365
    Microsoft OneDrive 1TB Cloud
    Microsoft Visual Studio
    Microsoft Visual Studio Code
    Microsoft Sysinternals Suite
    Microsoft BitLocker
    Microsoft Copilot
    Dell Support Assist
    Dell Command | Update
    Macrium Reflect X subscription
    1Password Password Manager
    Amazon Kindle for PC
    Lightroom/Photoshop subscription
    Interactive Brokers Trader Workstation
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    Windows 11 ProSnapdragon® X Elite (12 Core) with Hexagon NP...32GB LPDDR5x 8448 MT/sIntegrated Adreno GPU
    Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Microsoft Surface Laptop 7
    CPU
    Snapdragon® X Elite (12 Core) with Hexagon NPU delivering 45 TOPS
    Memory
    32GB LPDDR5x 8448 MT/s
    Graphics card(s)
    Integrated Adreno GPU
    Sound Card
    Omnisonic speakers with Dolby Atmos spatial sound
    Monitor(s) Displays
    13.8″ PixelSense Flow touchscreen 120 Hz 600 NIT
    Screen Resolution
    2304 × 1536 (201 PPI), 3:2 aspect ratio
    Hard Drives
    1 TB PCIe NVMe Gen 4 SSD
    Case
    Black Anodized Aluminum
    Cooling
    Vapor Chamber Cooling
    Mouse
    None
    Internet Speed
    942 Mbps Netgear Mesh + 2 Satellites
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge (Chromium)
    Antivirus
    Windows Security (Defender)
    Other Info
    Microsoft 365 subscription (Office)
    Microsoft Office 365
    Microsoft OneDrive 1TB Cloud
    Microsoft Visual Studio 2026
    Microsoft Visual Studio Code
    Interactive Brokers Trader Workstation
    Lightroom/Photoshop subscription
    1Password Password Manager
    Microsoft Sysinternals
    Amazon Kindle for PC
    Microsoft BitLocker
    Microsoft Copilot
While everyone else has praised the virtues of a clean install, then copying over all your user data (certainly the cleanest approach) there can be an argument for the opposite case, a warts and all migration of the original machine's OS drive to the new one.

You've been putting up with difficult operations in Widows for years now. You have the chance to put that behind you. Just curious what are the augments to mess up your brand new install and continue with more years of self-inflicted issues?

Sure you might save several hours now but then you're going to miss the opportunity to have a good working system that runs faster, smoother than what you've been running.
 

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Hi, once again, here's the way I did it.

1. Clean install Win 11 on the new PC.
2. Create clone of old Win 10 on a USB drive.
3. Install a (giveaway) copy of Easesus ToDo PC Trans on Win 11.
4. Connect clone and run Easesus ToDo PC Trans
5. Have it scan the clone- it then lists the programs installed etc.

Thus you can transfer entire accounts, complete programs (selectively) to the new O/S.

A huge time save if you've lots of progs.
In some cases licenses are transferred.

Probably not recommended for huge complicated programs (better to install an Office suite or large game manually).
And certainly not for security progs.

Works extremely well.
 

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Lenovo t480s
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i7-8650U
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16GB
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Intel UHD 620
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C SN810 SDCPNRY-512G-1006
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In my case the overriding argument was that I wanted to keep the installed MS Office Starter 2010, a free version of MS Office that was only available on OEM Windows 7 machines, and cannot be reinstalled - not even on Windows 7 (only OEMs could do that) and certainly not on Windows 10/11 where its install would be blocked by the OS.
Microsoft might want you to believe that but I was just able to install it in Windows 7.
All I needed was the setup program "setupconsumerc2rolw.exe". However, there is a gotcha. In order to get the setup to run you have to temporarily disable the IPV6 protocol.

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It will also install in Windows 10 and 11. Unfortunately, Windows 10 & 11 block the program from running.

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    Windows 11 Pro 25H2 (26200.6901)AMD Ryzen 7 6800H with Radeon 680M GPU (486MB...Crucial DDR5-4800 (2400MHz) 32GB (2 x 16GB)NVIDIA RTX 3060 Laptop (6GB RAM)
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    Windows 11 Pro 25H2 (26200.6901)
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    ASUS TUF Gaming A15 (2022)
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    AMD Ryzen 7 6800H with Radeon 680M GPU (486MB RAM)
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    Crucial DDR5-4800 (2400MHz) 32GB (2 x 16GB)
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    Windows 11 Pro 25H2 (26200.8246)AMD Ryzen 7 5700X3DG.SKILL Flare X 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4ASUS ROG-STRIX-RTX3060TI-08G-V2-GAMING (RTX 3...
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    Custom build
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    ASUS ROG Strix B550-F Gaming WiFi II
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    G.SKILL Flare X 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4
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    Malwarebytes (Premium)
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    ASUS Blu-ray Burner BW-16D1HT (SATA) || Western Digital Easystore 20TB USB 3.0 external hard drive used with Acronis True Image 2025 backup software || HP OfficeJet Pro 6975 Printer/Scanner
Just curious what are the augments to mess up your brand new install and continue with more years of self-inflicted issues?

Sure you might save several hours now but then you're going to miss the opportunity to have a good working system that runs faster, smoother than what you've been running.
What self-inflicted issues? My other car is a Porsche my other laptops are all clean installs. I can see no performance difference between this migrated system and any of the others. It's not 'saving time' - it's saving software that cannot be reinstalled. If I want to keep it I have no choice.

Microsoft might want you to believe that but I was just able to install it in Windows 7.
All I needed was the setup program "setupconsumerc2rolw.exe". However, there is a gotcha. In order to get the setup to run you have to temporarily disable the IPV6 protocol.
It will also install in Windows 10 and 11. Unfortunately, Windows 10 & 11 block the program from running.

Microsoft's Windows 10 installer will uninstall Office Starter as being 'incompatible' if you try upgrading from Windows 7 to Windows 10. There is a loophole though, Starter was only added to the list of incompatible programs with W10 version 1511 (10586). This system got the free upgrade to the original version 10240 which left it installed. Incompatible programs are only checked for and removed when upgrading W7>W10, a W10 upgrade to the next version (or to W11) makes no such checks, so it remains there to this day.

.....Unfortunately, Windows 10 & 11 block the program from running.

Apparently my system didn't get the memo.....

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    Windows 11 HomeAMD Athlon Silver 3050U8GBRadeon Graphics
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    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23-R9VY
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
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    Radeon Graphics
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    laptop screen
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    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October 2021 it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update, 24H2 on 3rd October 2024 through Windows Update by setting the Target Release Version for 24H2, and 25H2 on 30th September 2025 through Windows Update by setting the Target Release Version for 25H2.

    UPDATE - 11 April 2026: due to mechanical deterioration this PC has been retired from active duty. The OS with all software and files has been migrated to my System Seven in 'Other systems' to carry on as my general purpose 'main machine'.

    I've now clean installed 25H2 and used Garlin's scripts to update Secure Boot to CA 2023 and revoke the PCA 2011 certificates. It's new role is to test secure boot issues.
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    Windows 11 Pro
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    Dell Latitude E4310
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    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
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    0T6M8G
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    8GB
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    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
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    1366x768
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    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
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    Defender
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    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround.

    In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround.
    Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package.
    In-place upgrade to 24H2 using hybrid 23H2/24H2 install media.
    Upgraded to 25H2 by Enablement Package.

    Also running Insider Dev, and Canary builds and Windows 10 as native boot .vhdx.
  • My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 1TB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds (and a few others) as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM SIX is a Dell Latitude 5550, Core Ultra 7 165H, 64GB RAM, 1TB NVMe SSD, supported device, Windows 11 Pro 24H2, Hyper-V host machine. Updated to 25H2 on 30th September 2025.

    My SYSTEM SEVEN is a Lenovo Thinkpad T580, Intel Core i7-8650U, 16GB RAM, 512GB NVMe SSD + 2nd 512GB NVMe SSD, a supported device for Windows 11. This is my current general purpose 'main machine'. The installed Windows 11 Home from my System One has been migrated to this machine.
It's not 'saving time' - it's saving software that cannot be reinstalled. If I want to keep it I have no choice.

True in some cases. But I've installed hundreds of apps that supposedly could not be reinstalled onto the new OS and it worked just fine. But that does require a very advanced understanding of Windows and the Registry.
 

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Windows 11 Pro build 25H2 x64
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PC/Desktop
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ASUS Custom build
CPU
Intel i9-13900K
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Asus ROG STRIX Z790 E GAMING WIFI 11
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64GB
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Nvidia GeForce RTX-3090 Ti
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1 Gbps
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Malwarebytes
Aside from conquering the annoyances of Windows (which can often be fun and rewarding) the LibreOffice is free open source and miles ahead of MS Office Starter edition capabilities. But if you're on a low powered system then MS Office Starter Edition will be a lot lower on resource usage.
 

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Windows 11 Pro build 25H2 x64
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PC/Desktop
Manufacturer/Model
ASUS Custom build
CPU
Intel i9-13900K
Motherboard
Asus ROG STRIX Z790 E GAMING WIFI 11
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64GB
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Nvidia GeForce RTX-3090 Ti
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1 Gbps
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Firefox
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Malwarebytes
That is true.

While everyone else has praised the virtues of a clean install, then copying over all your user data (certainly the cleanest approach) there can be an argument for the opposite case, a warts and all migration of the original machine's OS drive to the new one.

In my case the overriding argument was that I wanted to keep the installed MS Office Starter 2010, a free version of MS Office that was only available on OEM Windows 7 machines, and cannot be reinstalled - not even on Windows 7 (only OEMs could do that) and certainly not on Windows 10/11 where its install would be blocked by the OS.

So, for a long time my 'main machine' was a Win7 laptop (Legacy BIOS and MBR disk) that had taken the free upgrade to Windows 10 when it was first released. With the approach of Windows 11 I wanted to upgrade to a UEFI/GPT W11-compliant laptop as my 'main machine', but I also wanted to continue using all installed software I already had. I would also have to convert from a Legacy/MBR install to a UEFI/GPT one in order to be offered the upgrade to Windows 11. The answer was to use Macrium Reflect Free to image the old machine and restore to the new one.


Onboarding to Windows 11 is easy - post #8

In the process I had also moved from an Intel-based machine to an AMD-based one. Windows happily sorted out all the new drivers required for basic functionality, then when on the internet Windows Update upgraded a few more.

Yes, a lot of unnecessary OEM crud came over with the OS, in particular some Toshiba OEM utilities than were about as useful as a chocolate teapot on the new Acer hardware. But Revo Uninstaller cleaned up most of that, and DriverStoreExplorer dealt with the rest. The Acer (System One below) then became my 'main machine' for the next 5 years until its lid hinges started to give way. I've not found it to be any different from any of my other machines with their clean installs. Cumulative and Feature updates have installed cleanly and it's been as responsive as a clean install would have been.

Now that the Acer had started to fall apart I had no hesitation in migrating the OS for a second time to its current hardware, my System Seven below. An easier migration this time as they are both UEFI/GPT machines (and going back from AMD to Intel hardware in the process).

This has worked for me many times and I get the same results as you do. Saves me days and days of labor on our machines, and customers want their new computer to look and act just like the old one did. ;-)
 

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Windows 11 25H2
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Dell
CPU
12th Gen i9 -12900K
Memory
64GB
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Intel UHD Graphics
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Dual Dell U2717D
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If you and your customers are happy that's what counts. I take a different approach and in over 35 years now I do not recall ever doing an upgrade for a single customer. New, clean, fresh install, make the old software work. Not a money maker that's for sure but I don't do it for the money.
 

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ASUS Custom build
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Intel i9-13900K
Motherboard
Asus ROG STRIX Z790 E GAMING WIFI 11
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64GB
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Nvidia GeForce RTX-3090 Ti
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1 Gbps
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Firefox
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Malwarebytes
For some tasks there is more than one way and we're all different in the way we do them. The only thing I am OCD about is my computers and I practice a 'better safe than sorry' approach, but what I feel is right for me may not be right for the next guy who is not as OCD as I am. I say whatever floats one's boat, more power to them. All we can do is give our varying opinions when responding to a thread. In the end, the poster is going to choose to do what he wants to do anyway.
 

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    Dell Optiplex 7080
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    i9-10900 10 core 20 threads
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    DELL 0J37VM
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    32 gb
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    none-Intel UHD Graphics 630
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    Integrated Realtek
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    Benq 27
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    2x1tb Solidigm m.2 nvme /External drives 512gb Samsung m.2 sata+2tb Kingston m2.nvme
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    500w
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    MT
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    Dell Premium
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    Logitech wired
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    Logitech wireless
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    so slow I'm too embarrassed to tell
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    #1 Edge #2 Firefox
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    Defender+MWB Premium
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    Windows 11 Pro 24H2 26200.8875
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    Beelink Mini PC SER5
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    AMD Ryzen 7 6800U
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    32 gb
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    integrated
    Sound Card
    integrated
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    Benq 27
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    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    1TB Crucial nvme
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    Logitech wired
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    Logitech wireless
    Internet Speed
    still too embarrassed to tell
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    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
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    System 3 is non compliant Dell 9020 i7-4770/24gb ram Win11 PRO 26200.8875
For some tasks there is more than one way and we're all different in the way we do them. The only thing I am OCD about is my computers and I practice a 'better safe than sorry' approach, but what I feel is right for me may not be right for the next guy who is not as OCD as I am. I say whatever floats one's boat, more power to them. All we can do is give our varying opinions when responding to a thread. In the end, the poster is going to choose to do what he wants to do anyway.
I dont have OCD, but i have my own way of doing things that might be on the extreme side... even for other advanced power-users. 🤓 *lol* 😅
So i say as you say.... what is right for me is most likely not right for others. :cool:

But... (a post can never be complete without a but) *lol*.. But.... it can never go wrong with doing a clean install and then just sync/copy over the personal data from a backup drive. ;-)


oh.. and never forget...... Backup, backup and backup... so you never have to cry over lost data. (y)
 

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    Commodore, AST, Fujitsu, Compaq, etc etc. etc Around 15 desktops and 20 laptops in the collection
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    Hard Drives
    MFM, IDE, SCSI
Thanks to everyone for all the very helpful info! I am not a really a tech person and I appreciate everyone's wisdom. I am taking everything you've said into consideration.

In my original post I said: I have heard about PC transfer/data migration software, which supposedly takes basically everything from the old computer (files, apps, settings, etc) and moves them all to the new one. Is this true? If so, what's a good one?

I asked this because simplicity is very helpful for my non-tech brain.

Some of the apps available are: FastMove, EaseUS Todo PC Trans Free, PCMover, and Zinstall. Anyone used any of these successfully? (Also, if you've used something not listed, I would like to hear about that as well)
 

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