Smart App control gone!


BrianInEngland

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The Smart App control function in Security settings has disappeared completely, the option doesn't exist in App and Browser control security settings.
Two PCs in the house running WIndows 11 Release Preview have the issue.

What I discovered: Last week, a new version of the Security app was installed in Windows/System32/SecurityHealth/1.0.2209-22001-0. Both PCs have this folder but my Beta Virtual machine doesn't, and the Smart App control is there.

Restarted PC in Recovery, used command prompt to delete the folder. Rebooted, and the Smart App control was back. A few minutes later, the folder re-appeared and Smart app control is gone again.

Very strange! Also for some reason my About box is showing what's in the pic, the Beta version doesn't show the top two lines under System information.
 
Windows Build/Version
Windows 11 Release Preview 22621.607

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My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (RP channel)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Gigabyte
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 5900X 12-core
    Motherboard
    X570 Aorus Xtreme
    Memory
    64GB Corsair Platinum RGB 3600MHz CL16
    Graphics Card(s)
    MSI Suprim X 3080 Ti
    Sound Card
    Soundblaster AE-5 Plus
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS TUF Gaming VG289Q
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 990 Pro 2TB
    Samsung 980 Pro 2TB
    Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1TB
    Samsung 870 Evo 4TB
    Samsung T7 Touch 1TB
    PSU
    Asus ROG Strix 1000W
    Case
    Corsair D750 Airflow
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15S
    Keyboard
    Asus ROG Flare
    Mouse
    Logitech G903 with PowerPlay charger
    Internet Speed
    500Mb/sec
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
If you turn on Smart App Control in 22H2, you can only turn it off permanently if it gets in your way. The bad news? You have to do a clean install of Windows to enable it again.

An anti executable shouldn't be an all or nothing proposition. Microsoft should have given users granular control over the feature by default.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 22H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Microsoft Surface Pro 3
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-4300U
    Motherboard
    Microsoft
    Memory
    First: 4 GB DDR Second: 8 GB DDR
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel HD Family Graphics
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Audio
    Hard Drives
    First: Samsung 128 GB SSD Second: Samsung 256 GB SSD
    Keyboard
    First: Artec Bluetooth 3.0 Second: Type Cover
    Mouse
    Microsoft Surface Mobile
    Antivirus
    Kaspersky Free/WiseVector StopX
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 24H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Zbook 14 G2
    CPU
    i7-5500U
    Memory
    8 RAM DDR3L
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel HD Graphics 5500 Discrete Graphics AMD FirePro M4150
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Audio
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba 1TB
If you turn on Smart App Control in 22H2, you can only turn it off permanently if it gets in your way. The bad news? You have to do a clean install of Windows to enable it again.

An anti executable shouldn't be an all or nothing proposition. Microsoft should have given users granular control over the feature by default.
Agree. Even if the user gets a warning before turning it back in it would be better than not allowing it
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (RP channel)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Gigabyte
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 5900X 12-core
    Motherboard
    X570 Aorus Xtreme
    Memory
    64GB Corsair Platinum RGB 3600MHz CL16
    Graphics Card(s)
    MSI Suprim X 3080 Ti
    Sound Card
    Soundblaster AE-5 Plus
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS TUF Gaming VG289Q
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 990 Pro 2TB
    Samsung 980 Pro 2TB
    Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1TB
    Samsung 870 Evo 4TB
    Samsung T7 Touch 1TB
    PSU
    Asus ROG Strix 1000W
    Case
    Corsair D750 Airflow
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15S
    Keyboard
    Asus ROG Flare
    Mouse
    Logitech G903 with PowerPlay charger
    Internet Speed
    500Mb/sec
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
In addition: :alien:

 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro for Workstations
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom self build
    CPU
    Intel i7-8700K 5 GHz
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus XI Formula Z390
    Memory
    64 GB (4x16GB) G.SKILL TridentZ RGB DDR4 3600 MHz (F4-3600C18D-32GTZR)
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS ROG-STRIX-GTX1080TI-O11G-GAMING (11GB GDDR5X)
    Sound Card
    Integrated Digital Audio (S/PDIF)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    2 x Samsung Odyssey G75 27"
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung 990 PRO M.2,
    4TB Samsung 990 PRO M.2,
    8TB WD MyCloudEX2Ultra NAS
    PSU
    Seasonic Prime Titanium 850W
    Case
    Thermaltake Core P3 wall mounted
    Cooling
    Corsair Hydro H115i
    Keyboard
    Logitech wireless K800
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3
    Internet Speed
    1 Gbps Download and 35 Mbps Upload
    Browser
    Google Chrome
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Defender and Malwarebytes Premium
    Other Info
    Logitech Z625 speaker system,
    Logitech BRIO 4K Pro webcam,
    HP Color LaserJet Pro MFP M477fdn,
    APC SMART-UPS RT 1000 XL - SURT1000XLI,
    Galaxy S23 Plus phone
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Spectre x360 2in1 14-eu0098nr (2024)
    CPU
    Intel Core Ultra 7 155H 4.8 GHz
    Memory
    16 GB LPDDR5x-7467 MHz
    Graphics card(s)
    Integrated Intel Arc
    Sound Card
    Poly Studio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    14" 2.8K OLED multitouch
    Screen Resolution
    2880 x 1800
    Hard Drives
    2 TB PCIe NVMe M.2 SSD
    Internet Speed
    Intel Wi-Fi 7 BE200 (2x2) and Bluetooth 5.4
    Browser
    Chrome and Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender and Malwarebytes Premium
I turned it on and when Windows restarted, it couldn't boot. Its broken and not ready for prime time.

Does the Microsoft engineering staff ever do quality assurance testing before including a new feature in Windows?

The SAC seems to lock out the boot sequence so you can't boot to the login screen!
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 22H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Microsoft Surface Pro 3
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-4300U
    Motherboard
    Microsoft
    Memory
    First: 4 GB DDR Second: 8 GB DDR
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel HD Family Graphics
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Audio
    Hard Drives
    First: Samsung 128 GB SSD Second: Samsung 256 GB SSD
    Keyboard
    First: Artec Bluetooth 3.0 Second: Type Cover
    Mouse
    Microsoft Surface Mobile
    Antivirus
    Kaspersky Free/WiseVector StopX
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 24H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Zbook 14 G2
    CPU
    i7-5500U
    Memory
    8 RAM DDR3L
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel HD Graphics 5500 Discrete Graphics AMD FirePro M4150
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Audio
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba 1TB
The Smart App control function in Security settings has disappeared completely, the option doesn't exist in App and Browser control security settings.
Two PCs in the house running WIndows 11 Release Preview have the issue.

What I discovered: Last week, a new version of the Security app was installed in Windows/System32/SecurityHealth/1.0.2209-22001-0. Both PCs have this folder but my Beta Virtual machine doesn't, and the Smart App control is there.

Restarted PC in Recovery, used command prompt to delete the folder. Rebooted, and the Smart App control was back. A few minutes later, the folder re-appeared and Smart app control is gone again.

Very strange! Also for some reason my About box is showing what's in the pic, the Beta version doesn't show the top two lines under System information.
Mine was OFF after the latest IWN11 update. I did a clean install and it was in Evaluation for about a week, now it's back to OFF and I didn't select it, guess my laptop isn't compatible.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win11 22623.891
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP
    CPU
    11th Gen Intel R Core TM i7 - 1165G7 @ 2.80GHz
    Memory
    16gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel R Iris R Xe Graphics
    Sound Card
    Realtek R Audio, Intel Smart Sound
    Hard Drives
    C
    Browser
    Google
    Antivirus
    Windows Security/Microsoft Defender
    Other Info
    Downloaded MSEdgeRedirect
it was in Evaluation for about a week, now it's back to OFF and I didn't select it, guess my laptop isn't compatible.
It's not the laptop, it's the software you use and/or the way you use it. Evaluation mode determined it would get in the way of what you are doing, so it turned itself off.

What makes somebody a good candidate for Smart App Control?

Essentially, we're looking to see if Smart App Control is going to get in your way too often. There are some legitimate tasks that corporate users, developers, or others may do regularly that may not be a great experience with Smart App Control running. If we detect during evaluation mode that you're one of those users, we'll automatically turn Smart App Control off so you can work with fewer interruptions.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.
If Optional diagnostic data (Privacy & security --> Diagnostics & feedback) is turned off, windows automatically shuts down SAC. It would be nice (and reasonable) if Windows provided a bit of warning, but so be it. SAC, RIP.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 22H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell XPS8950
    CPU
    i7-12700K
    Motherboard
    Z690 : 9D2HH Foxconn, R6PCT Foxconn 2nd
    Memory
    16GB (2 x 8)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel(R) UHD Graphics 770 with shared graphics memory
    Sound Card
    Integrated
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer CBL282K Smiiprx
    Screen Resolution
    4K UHD (3840 x 2160) @ 60 Hz
    Hard Drives
    Western Digital PC SN810 512 GB M.2 NVMe SSD, PCIe
    PSU
    750W
    Cooling
    2G44F Asetek 125W CPU liquid cooler
    Keyboard
    Arteck Wireless
    Mouse
    Victsing-mm057 wireless
    Internet Speed
    Wi-Fi 6
    Browser
    Vivaldi
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender (native)
  • Operating System
    Win 22H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Vostro 5620
    CPU
    12th Gen Intel Core i7-1260P
    Memory
    2 x 8 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1200 @ 60 Hz
    Hard Drives
    NVMe 512 GB
    Case
    Aluminum
    Mouse
    Touchpad
    Browser
    Vivaldi
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender (native)

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