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Not a complaint or anything, just a funny...

Yesterday I put in my new motherboard and when I booted up, Windows told me that it no longer had a PIN for me. It still had my logon and everything, just no PIN. Windows proudly notified me that I should create a new one and so I did. One of the things Windows does is verify your account when you do this. It does this by sending an email to your alternate email address, which is fine, but the only way I could get at the email was to get past the log in screen and look at my email on the locked machine. Duh! I was a little stuck, so I dusted off an old computer and logged on to webmail, except that I forgot my email password and had to call the internet provider to reset.

After an hour, I finally got it fired up and past the log in screen. I am fully activated and all is well, but I wonder how people without a second computer in the house would have managed this little bit of software stupidity. There has to be a better way.
 

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Use a mobile phone number as well.
 

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Not a complaint or anything, just a funny...

Yesterday I put in my new motherboard and when I booted up, Windows told me that it no longer had a PIN for me. It still had my logon and everything, just no PIN. Windows proudly notified me that I should create a new one and so I did. One of the things Windows does is verify your account when you do this. It does this by sending an email to your alternate email address, which is fine, but the only way I could get at the email was to get past the log in screen and look at my email on the locked machine. Duh! I was a little stuck, so I dusted off an old computer and logged on to webmail, except that I forgot my email password and had to call the internet provider to reset.

After an hour, I finally got it fired up and past the log in screen. I am fully activated and all is well, but I wonder how people without a second computer in the house would have managed this little bit of software stupidity. There has to be a better way.
I have email set up on my phone so this problem never occurs
 

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Use a mobile phone number as well.

I have email set up on my phone so this problem never occurs
A fair comment, both. Unfortunately, my phone refuses to set up any kind of email other than Hotmail and Gmail. I can see my MS account through Hotmail (Outlook), but I can't see my ISPs provided email which is where Windows was directing me to.

Hehe. Perhaps I am worse at technology than I thought. lol
 

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Hehe. Perhaps I am worse at technology than I thought. lol
No, MS is!

Illogical is the least of their problems but they preserver relentlessnessly - as I said before Win 11 reminds me of Win 8 - an experiment with lots of quirks which hopefully will be resolved - but don't hold your breath... roll on Win 12.. LOL
 

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No, MS is!

Illogical is the least of their problems but they preserver relentlessnessly - as I said before Win 11 reminds me of Win 8 - an experiment with lots of quirks which hopefully will be resolved - but don't hold your breath... roll on Win 12.. LOL
Win 13 is going to be a doozy.
 

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Look at it this way guys, the infinite wisdom of MS and their decisions (I say facetiously) exercises our brain and keeps us sharp (in my case I also say facetiously), this forum wouldn't be necessary and what would we all be doing in our retirement. Things were so much simpler in the old days.
 

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A fair comment, both. Unfortunately, my phone refuses to set up any kind of email other than Hotmail and Gmail. I can see my MS account through Hotmail (Outlook), but I can't see my ISPs provided email which is where Windows was directing me to.

Hehe. Perhaps I am worse at technology than I thought. lol

Seems odd.

The email app on mine (One Plus 7T, running Android 11) has no problems setting up my Comcast email address, as well as the Gmail one.

But then, I have a second desktop PC and a (rarely used) laptop, so I have multiple ways to check all my emails.

Some of my accounts use only my cell phone for two factor authentication, though, so things might get entertaining if the phone failed. (Never had to use a backup TFA so far.)
 

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my phone refuses to set up any kind of email other than Hotmail and Gmail.
Forward your emails to either one.

Aside from mentioned methods, you can also use a recovery code.
 

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A fair comment, both. Unfortunately, my phone refuses to set up any kind of email other than Hotmail and Gmail.
No, you can just give your MS account a phone number, then it will have an option to send you a Text.

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No, you can just give your MS account a phone number, then it will have an option to send you a Text.

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Exactly! That's what I do too. Doesn't everyone, especially techies, have a smart phone?
 

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Doesn't everyone, especially techies, have a smart phone?
Techies would not use a simple SMS, it is long dead, it is like using an unpatched Windows XP, but companies keep SMS up, because other alternatives are too complicated to use (bank apps) or unavailable for everyone (a smartphone, hardware key).
 

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But wasn't the problem that you don't have access to a 2FA key if you don't yet have access to your computer? And isn't an obvious answer that everyone has a smartphone in their pocket? :unsure:
 

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MS already knows too much, don't want them to have my phone number too, they might sell me extended warranty or something. :mad:
 

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If you have a smartphone then you could use 2FA or even log in to webmail via the smartphone’s browser.
 

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Could we use the Microsoft Authenticator app ?
 

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Could we use the Microsoft Authenticator app ?
If you or the op does I would strongly recommend ensuring the app is set to backup the entries & also When you add 2FA that you/op save the backup codes shown, otherwise if you change phone or lose the Authenticator app you can either recover the accounts &/or log in to the accounts using the backup codes & turn 2FA off &/or change device.
 

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    Logitech K800 wireless keyboard
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    Logitech M705 wireless mouse
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    Edge.
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One of the things Windows does is verify your account when you do this. It does this by sending an email to your alternate email address, which is fine, but the only way I could get at the email was to get past the log in screen and look at my email on the locked machine. Duh! I was a little stuck, so I dusted off an old computer and logged on to webmail, except that I forgot my email password and had to call the internet provider to reset.

.... I wonder how people without a second computer in the house would have managed this little bit of software stupidity. There has to be a better way.
You could have easily got a text message by providing a phone number on your account. But hey... "Microsoft is spying on me so they can't have my phone number" :cautious:

Microsoft does provide the tools to make things easier on users. If one chooses not to use the tools then you can't complain.
 

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    Windows 11 Pro 21H2 (22000.795)
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom built
    CPU
    Intel i9-9900K
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte Aorus Z390 Xtreme
    Memory
    32G (4x8) DDR4 Corsair RGB Dominator Platinum (3600Mhz)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon VII
    Sound Card
    Onboard (ESS Sabre HiFi using Realtek drivers)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    NEC PA242w (24 inch)
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1200
    Hard Drives
    5 Samsung SSD drives: 2X 970 NVME (512 & 1TB), 3X EVO SATA (2X 2TB, 1X 1TB)
    PSU
    EVGA Super Nova I000 P2 (1000 watt)
    Case
    Cooler Master H500M
    Cooling
    Corsair H115i RGB Platinum
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    Logitech Craft
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    Logitech MX Master 3
    Internet Speed
    500mb Download. 11mb Upload
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    Microsoft Edge Chromium
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    Windows Security
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    System used for gaming, photography, audiophile media center, work.
  • Operating System
    Win 11 Pro Dev 22H2 (build 25140.1000)
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    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo ThinkPad Yoga X1
    CPU
    Intel i7-7600U
    Motherboard
    Intel
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    16igg
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel HD 620
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    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    14.0 WQHD OLED Touch
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1440
    Hard Drives
    1TB NVMe Drive (OEM)
    PSU
    laptop
    Case
    laptop
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    Laptop cooling
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    Logitech MX Anywhere 2S
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You could have easily got a text message by providing a phone number on your account. But hey... "Microsoft is spying on me so they can't have my phone number" :cautious:

Microsoft does provide the tools to make things easier on users. If one chooses not to use the tools then you can't complain.
Playing the dumb girl card here: Assume I didn't know that.
 

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    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Self build
    CPU
    Ryzen 5800X
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte x570 Aorus Elite Wifi
    Memory
    32 GB GSkill Trident Neo
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS TUF GAMING RTX 3070 Ti
    Sound Card
    On board Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    2 x Samsung 32 inch curved - one 4K, one 1080p
    Screen Resolution
    4K, 1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Samsung 970 EVO Nvme, 2 x Samsung 970 2TB SATA
    PSU
    EVGA 1000Q
    Case
    Rosewill something or other
    Cooling
    Corsair 100i 240 mm
    Keyboard
    Logitech G815
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    Logitech G502 Hero
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    700 up
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    Firefox
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    MalwareBytes

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My Computers

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 21H2 (22000.795)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom built
    CPU
    Intel i9-9900K
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte Aorus Z390 Xtreme
    Memory
    32G (4x8) DDR4 Corsair RGB Dominator Platinum (3600Mhz)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon VII
    Sound Card
    Onboard (ESS Sabre HiFi using Realtek drivers)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    NEC PA242w (24 inch)
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1200
    Hard Drives
    5 Samsung SSD drives: 2X 970 NVME (512 & 1TB), 3X EVO SATA (2X 2TB, 1X 1TB)
    PSU
    EVGA Super Nova I000 P2 (1000 watt)
    Case
    Cooler Master H500M
    Cooling
    Corsair H115i RGB Platinum
    Keyboard
    Logitech Craft
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3
    Internet Speed
    500mb Download. 11mb Upload
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge Chromium
    Antivirus
    Windows Security
    Other Info
    System used for gaming, photography, audiophile media center, work.
  • Operating System
    Win 11 Pro Dev 22H2 (build 25140.1000)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo ThinkPad Yoga X1
    CPU
    Intel i7-7600U
    Motherboard
    Intel
    Memory
    16igg
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel HD 620
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    14.0 WQHD OLED Touch
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1440
    Hard Drives
    1TB NVMe Drive (OEM)
    PSU
    laptop
    Case
    laptop
    Cooling
    Laptop cooling
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Anywhere 2S
    Keyboard
    Laptop
    Internet Speed
    100MB
    Browser
    Edge Chromium
    Antivirus
    Windows Security
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